jcaceresw wrote: »

I agree with most parts but I believe they should give us nearly what a PTS character template does. Having all 290? skill points, all attributes (64), make us level 50 and have Undaunted, Mages and Fighters guild leveled to 10. Just that. You still need to do everything else (main quest, wayshrines, etc) and have to craft/find your gear.

Well, take this "win and done" button - press it, and leave. This game is wasted on you anyway .- you appreciate nothing of it's real content, why are you here at all?

The whole point of this request is, that you can even faster unbalance the game and achieve your FotM character - you guys want balance, but your own behavior and requests create this imbalance all the time. This is not good for the game to have such an elixir.

Nestor wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Then if they like tough games, why aren't they playing those game then and leave ESO alone. ESO is a jewel in the sea of overly challenging games - an oasis where one can roleplay and is not forced into "challenging" content. I want ESO to stay this way, and if it is selfish to have ONE game, where one can actually roleplay and have some fun outside of a competitive environment and just relax and enjoy the game world, so be it - then I am selfish, but I am selfish for the good of ESO.

I will add in that the people who chase the hardest content will move on once they have inhaled the content in any game. People who want instant leveling are not people who want to play the game, they want to play in the game. Big difference.

But, and I'm not saying that I disagree, what business is that of yours? How does it affect anyone here if someone chooses to spend cash instead of time to get a level 50 character?

The people saying no give three reasons - it only takes 2 days in any case; you won't learn the game; you will miss out playing the game. For the first, if it is so trivial why is anyone concerned if someone wants to pay to skip those introductory couple of days? For the latter two the only person who loses out is the one buying the level 50 character - why does it matter to anyone else if they choose to do it?

Let them play the game their way

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Then if they like tough games, why aren't they playing those game then and leave ESO alone. ESO is a jewel in the sea of overly challenging games - an oasis where one can roleplay and is not forced into "challenging" content. I want ESO to stay this way, and if it is selfish to have ONE game, where one can actually roleplay and have some fun outside of a competitive environment and just relax and enjoy the game world, so be it - then I am selfish, but I am selfish for the good of ESO.

I will add in that the people who chase the hardest content will move on once they have inhaled the content in any game. People who want instant leveling are not people who want to play the game, they want to play in the game. Big difference.

But, and I'm not saying that I disagree, what business is that of yours? How does it affect anyone here if someone chooses to spend cash instead of time to get a level 50 character?

The people saying no give three reasons - it only takes 2 days in any case; you won't learn the game; you will miss out playing the game. For the first, if it is so trivial why is anyone concerned if someone wants to pay to skip those introductory couple of days? For the latter two the only person who loses out is the one buying the level 50 character - why does it matter to anyone else if they choose to do it?

Let them play the game their way

'What you call the "introductory couple of days" is meant to be THE game - that is what it is all about, Tamriel unlimited, the provinces of Tamriel, their cultures and you are supposed to help these people out by listening what is bugging them and eventually help them to get out of their misery. This is not just "introductory", this is the main game - and why would we want to have a lot of people around, who tell others, that this game would not be about it and attract even more people who are not interested into Elder Scrolls, but are just bypassing it and pervert this game into something what it is not meant to be.

ESO is the only new Elder Scrolls content for years to come - we have to protect it to still have an Elder Scrolls game with new content from those, who are not interested into Elder Scrolls content and demand more and more things, which are just messing up this game - like wanting it to be more challenging, while the numbers tell ZOS, that it is already too hard for most and they have to adjust it and make it easier - now we are getting One Tamriel, because there the numbers seem to be right - and so we get this for all of Tamriel now. And guess what will happen - a lot of these 1337 players will say it is "faceroll easy" - they are in the wrong game and are not getting it.

And try see this from a developer perspective as well - it took ZOS years to create an awesome game world, which is story-rich and lore intensive and is beautiful - meant to provide hundreds of hours of gameplay to players - and you do that in just 2 days?- You cannot even have looked at all in this time frame - you basically cheated the game, grinding in certain spots, you bypassed the world - can you imagine how this feels to a developer, who has put his heart and soul into creating the content?

Daishichi wrote: »

I just leveled a bank alt, and it got boring as hell. Nothing about this idea would be mandatory: stay immersed, craft your full-fledged alts lovingly and completely, don't spend the money, etc. But there's zero enjoyment in slapping buttons to grind your way through quests you've already done, when all I wanted was a mule who could farm Nirncrux in Craglorn.

This comes down to another casual vs hardcore debate: anyone saying here that it's easy to level up, I've done it in a day, etc, is someone with way more time on their hands than, say, working parents. My time is worth money; I'm willing to spend one to save the other, and I know what both are worth.

So why are you leveling a bank alt, if you are willing to spend money - just subscribe and you do not need a bank alt anymore. And if you have the money, why farm yourself, simply buy that stuff you need.

Lysette wrote: »

'What you call the "introductory couple of days" is meant to be THE game - that is what it is all about, Tamriel unlimited, the provinces of Tamriel, their cultures and you are supposed to help these people out by listening what is bugging them and eventually help them to get out of their misery. This is not just "introductory", this is the main game - and why would we want to have a lot of people around, who tell others, that this game would not be about it and attract even more people who are not interested into Elder Scrolls, but are just bypassing it and pervert this game into something what it is not meant to be.

ESO is the only new Elder Scrolls content for years to come - we have to protect it to still have an Elder Scrolls game with new content from those, who are not interested into Elder Scrolls content and demand more and more things, which are just messing up this game - like wanting it to be more challenging, while the numbers tell ZOS, that it is already too hard for most and they have to adjust it and make it easier - now we are getting One Tamriel, because there the numbers seem to be right - and so we get this for all of Tamriel now. And guess what will happen - a lot of these 1337 players will say it is "faceroll easy" - they are in the wrong game and are not getting it.

No. Quite simply no!

You say it is meant to be the whole game, please don't seek to enforce your ideas about what the game constitutes or how it "should" be played onto others - it really is no concern of yours. You might consider levelling to 50 to be the "main game" (though this seems to contradict your comments on One Tam), but other people simply do not. They want to get to "endgame" or be "competitive in PvP" as soon as possible. Do they "pervert the game into something it's not meant to be"?

Are people who chose to ignore the main quest and do their levelling in Cyrodiil perverts?

And it's easy to see that other people don't agree with you - just look at the people here whose only objection to the proposal is that it only takes two days in any case.

Please don't tell other people that they are in the wrong game, it's incredibly offensive. I don't understand why someone would want to buy level 50, but then again I don't understand why someone would want a game with no progression, where everything scaled to them or was faceroll easy so that they could wander anywhere without feeling any threat (that's no challenge for an adventurer...). However, it really is no concern of mine if they buy a level 50, or grind up to it in 2 days, or get there by completing every quest (as I did). I don't even see it as P2W, it merely skips the introductory levelling, it doesn't make you better in a way that only spending money could.

As for "playing the "right" way in order to "protect" the game, the record for finishing Morrowind is less than 4 minutes. They might exploit bugs in a way that would horrify Bethesda, and they certainly didn't play the "right" way, but that didn't stop the production of Oblivion or Skyrim

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

'What you call the "introductory couple of days" is meant to be THE game - that is what it is all about, Tamriel unlimited, the provinces of Tamriel, their cultures and you are supposed to help these people out by listening what is bugging them and eventually help them to get out of their misery. This is not just "introductory", this is the main game - and why would we want to have a lot of people around, who tell others, that this game would not be about it and attract even more people who are not interested into Elder Scrolls, but are just bypassing it and pervert this game into something what it is not meant to be.

ESO is the only new Elder Scrolls content for years to come - we have to protect it to still have an Elder Scrolls game with new content from those, who are not interested into Elder Scrolls content and demand more and more things, which are just messing up this game - like wanting it to be more challenging, while the numbers tell ZOS, that it is already too hard for most and they have to adjust it and make it easier - now we are getting One Tamriel, because there the numbers seem to be right - and so we get this for all of Tamriel now. And guess what will happen - a lot of these 1337 players will say it is "faceroll easy" - they are in the wrong game and are not getting it.

No. Quite simply no!

You say it is meant to be the whole game, please don't seek to enforce your ideas about what the game constitutes or how it "should" be played onto others - it really is no concern of yours. You might consider levelling to 50 to be the "main game" (though this seems to contradict your comments on One Tam), but other people simply do not. They want to get to "endgame" or be "competitive in PvP" as soon as possible. Do they "pervert the game into something it's not meant to be"?

Are people who chose to ignore the main quest and do their levelling in Cyrodiil perverts?

And it's easy to see that other people don't agree with you - just look at the people here whose only objection to the proposal is that it only takes two days in any case.

Please don't tell other people that they are in the wrong game, it's incredibly offensive. I don't understand why someone would want to buy level 50, but then again I don't understand why someone would want a game with no progression, where everything scaled to them or was faceroll easy so that they could wander anywhere without feeling any threat (that's no challenge for an adventurer...). However, it really is no concern of mine if they buy a level 50, or grind up to it in 2 days, or get there by completing every quest (as I did). I don't even see it as P2W, it merely skips the introductory levelling, it doesn't make you better in a way that only spending money could.

As for "playing the "right" way in order to "protect" the game, the record for finishing Morrowind is less than 4 minutes. They might exploit bugs in a way that would horrify Bethesda, and they certainly didn't play the "right" way, but that didn't stop the production of Oblivion or Skyrim

See, I find it offensive if you declare what is most of the game as "introductory" - why do you think nearly all of the game is PvE content and the landmass of PvE is so big, whereas the one for PvP is so lmited?- You really think the game would be about that single zone and single DLC - you can't be serious.

Lysette wrote: »

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

'What you call the "introductory couple of days" is meant to be THE game - that is what it is all about, Tamriel unlimited, the provinces of Tamriel, their cultures and you are supposed to help these people out by listening what is bugging them and eventually help them to get out of their misery. This is not just "introductory", this is the main game - and why would we want to have a lot of people around, who tell others, that this game would not be about it and attract even more people who are not interested into Elder Scrolls, but are just bypassing it and pervert this game into something what it is not meant to be.

ESO is the only new Elder Scrolls content for years to come - we have to protect it to still have an Elder Scrolls game with new content from those, who are not interested into Elder Scrolls content and demand more and more things, which are just messing up this game - like wanting it to be more challenging, while the numbers tell ZOS, that it is already too hard for most and they have to adjust it and make it easier - now we are getting One Tamriel, because there the numbers seem to be right - and so we get this for all of Tamriel now. And guess what will happen - a lot of these 1337 players will say it is "faceroll easy" - they are in the wrong game and are not getting it.

No. Quite simply no!

You say it is meant to be the whole game, please don't seek to enforce your ideas about what the game constitutes or how it "should" be played onto others - it really is no concern of yours. You might consider levelling to 50 to be the "main game" (though this seems to contradict your comments on One Tam), but other people simply do not. They want to get to "endgame" or be "competitive in PvP" as soon as possible. Do they "pervert the game into something it's not meant to be"?

Are people who chose to ignore the main quest and do their levelling in Cyrodiil perverts?

And it's easy to see that other people don't agree with you - just look at the people here whose only objection to the proposal is that it only takes two days in any case.

Please don't tell other people that they are in the wrong game, it's incredibly offensive. I don't understand why someone would want to buy level 50, but then again I don't understand why someone would want a game with no progression, where everything scaled to them or was faceroll easy so that they could wander anywhere without feeling any threat (that's no challenge for an adventurer...). However, it really is no concern of mine if they buy a level 50, or grind up to it in 2 days, or get there by completing every quest (as I did). I don't even see it as P2W, it merely skips the introductory levelling, it doesn't make you better in a way that only spending money could.

As for "playing the "right" way in order to "protect" the game, the record for finishing Morrowind is less than 4 minutes. They might exploit bugs in a way that would horrify Bethesda, and they certainly didn't play the "right" way, but that didn't stop the production of Oblivion or Skyrim

See, I find it offensive if you declare what is most of the game as "introductory" - why do you think nearly all of the game is PvE content and the landmass of PvE is so big, whereas the one for PvP is so lmited?- You really think the game would be about that single zone and single DLC - you can't be serious.

I don't think it's "introductory". I used that, and thought I made it explicit with the quote marks, to indicate what some people thought of it - that the only reason why level 50 elixirs shouldn't be available is because it only takes two days in any case. And some people say a whole lot less (5 or 6 hours).

So, for these people levelling up to 50 is only introductory.

And it is not for me to tell them otherwise. Just like it's not for me to tell anyone they are wrong for wanting to rush to endgame or to be competitive in PvP, or even to walk around looking at the scenery roleplaying that they are a travelling minstrel. As far as I'm concerned they can play the game any way they want and it makes no difference to me how they reached level 50 or got all their CP.

By the way, I haven't expressed any opinions I might have on how the game should be played or how I do play it. Whether I think the first 50 levels are introductory or not is irrelevant to the argument. I have never said that I want a level 50 elixir, or that I would or wouldn't use it. None of that is relevant to whether it should be available if people want it.

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

'What you call the "introductory couple of days" is meant to be THE game - that is what it is all about, Tamriel unlimited, the provinces of Tamriel, their cultures and you are supposed to help these people out by listening what is bugging them and eventually help them to get out of their misery. This is not just "introductory", this is the main game - and why would we want to have a lot of people around, who tell others, that this game would not be about it and attract even more people who are not interested into Elder Scrolls, but are just bypassing it and pervert this game into something what it is not meant to be.

ESO is the only new Elder Scrolls content for years to come - we have to protect it to still have an Elder Scrolls game with new content from those, who are not interested into Elder Scrolls content and demand more and more things, which are just messing up this game - like wanting it to be more challenging, while the numbers tell ZOS, that it is already too hard for most and they have to adjust it and make it easier - now we are getting One Tamriel, because there the numbers seem to be right - and so we get this for all of Tamriel now. And guess what will happen - a lot of these 1337 players will say it is "faceroll easy" - they are in the wrong game and are not getting it.

No. Quite simply no!

You say it is meant to be the whole game, please don't seek to enforce your ideas about what the game constitutes or how it "should" be played onto others - it really is no concern of yours. You might consider levelling to 50 to be the "main game" (though this seems to contradict your comments on One Tam), but other people simply do not. They want to get to "endgame" or be "competitive in PvP" as soon as possible. Do they "pervert the game into something it's not meant to be"?

Are people who chose to ignore the main quest and do their levelling in Cyrodiil perverts?

And it's easy to see that other people don't agree with you - just look at the people here whose only objection to the proposal is that it only takes two days in any case.

Please don't tell other people that they are in the wrong game, it's incredibly offensive. I don't understand why someone would want to buy level 50, but then again I don't understand why someone would want a game with no progression, where everything scaled to them or was faceroll easy so that they could wander anywhere without feeling any threat (that's no challenge for an adventurer...). However, it really is no concern of mine if they buy a level 50, or grind up to it in 2 days, or get there by completing every quest (as I did). I don't even see it as P2W, it merely skips the introductory levelling, it doesn't make you better in a way that only spending money could.

As for "playing the "right" way in order to "protect" the game, the record for finishing Morrowind is less than 4 minutes. They might exploit bugs in a way that would horrify Bethesda, and they certainly didn't play the "right" way, but that didn't stop the production of Oblivion or Skyrim

See, I find it offensive if you declare what is most of the game as "introductory" - why do you think nearly all of the game is PvE content and the landmass of PvE is so big, whereas the one for PvP is so lmited?- You really think the game would be about that single zone and single DLC - you can't be serious.

I don't think it's "introductory". I used that, and thought I made it explicit with the quote marks, to indicate what some people thought of it - that the only reason why level 50 elixirs shouldn't be available is because it only takes two days in any case. And some people say a whole lot less (5 or 6 hours).

So, for these people levelling up to 50 is only introductory.

And it is not for me to tell them otherwise. Just like it's not for me to tell anyone they are wrong for wanting to rush to endgame or to be competitive in PvP, or even to walk around looking at the scenery roleplaying that they are a travelling minstrel. As far as I'm concerned they can play the game any way they want and it makes no difference to me how they reached level 50 or got all their CP.

By the way, I haven't expressed any opinions I might have on how the game should be played or how I do play it. Whether I think the first 50 levels are introductory or not is irrelevant to the argument. I have never said that I want a level 50 elixir, or that I would or wouldn't use it. None of that is relevant to whether it should be available if people want it.

Ok, maybe I am just hurt by these guys saying this can be done in 6 hours - because it belittles my own efforts to progress in the game and it belittles as well my tendency to play it in a relaxed roleplay like way, where I enjoy what ZOS has created whereas they just rush through the game and the beauty of the game or even the theme of the game is wasted on them - it could be any game for them, they give a shite on Elder Scrolls - and this makes me really angry and I start to not like them.