REFUND REQUEST, WTH ZOS I paid 3500 crowns when you stealth nerfed CP buffs???????

altemriel · August 2016

Seriously WTH ZOS, tell me please why did I pay 3500 crowns to change my race of my char when you stealth nerfed the CP buffs, with that damn calculation change????!!

Combat & Gameplay
General
Fixed an issue where percentage bonuses to the same type of stat (Magicka Recovery, Max Magicka, etc.) would stack multiplicatively rather than additively. This will result in some stats changing slightly (generally going down).

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/281584/pc-mac-patch-notes-v2-5-5#latest

tell me ZOS....

altemriel · August 2016

tell me ZOS, why the heck are you introducing a change that noone asked for???

RAGUNAnoOne · August 2016

Umm what stealth nerf dare I ask? (PS4 player)

altemriel · August 2016

just like WTH is that????!!!!

Combat & Gameplay
General
Fixed an issue where percentage bonuses to the same type of stat (Magicka Recovery, Max Magicka, etc.) would stack multiplicatively rather than additively. This will result in some stats changing slightly (generally going down).

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/281584/pc-mac-patch-notes-v2-5-5#latest

Vipstaakki · August 2016

I don't think you get the idea of a 'Refund' The product you bought worked as intended. It changed your race and did exactly what it promised. Therefore there is no base for a refund.

MissBizz · August 2016

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

Umm what stealth nerf dare I ask? (PS4 player)

@RAGUNAnoOne they changed how they calculate some things.. so it's additive instead of multiplicative I think. Not 100% sure you may want to look into it. Wasn't stealth though, I'm positive it was in the patch notes.

Twilix01 · August 2016

Maybe one should pay attention and double check on the race they want to change into before spending their crowns on it.

craybest · August 2016

and even if it was, it is finally their game and they can make the changes they want. and unles what you bought was directly not given to you, i dont think you will get a refund...

cjthibs · August 2016

They fixed a bug...and it didn't exactly work for you, so now you want a refund of something else unrelated?

Did you take your meds this morning?

RAGUNAnoOne · August 2016

MissBizz wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

Umm what stealth nerf dare I ask? (PS4 player)

@RAGUNAnoOne they changed how they calculate some things.. so it's additive instead of multiplicative I think. Not 100% sure you may want to look into it. Wasn't stealth though, I'm positive it was in the patch notes.

... although it is guar*** and trials/PvP were balanced around the multiplicative bonuses hence causing issues it did make the gap between races a bit less severe which people wanted so lesson to forum users be careful what you wish for you may get it.

wayfarerx · August 2016

altemriel wrote: »

just like WTH is that????!!!!

Combat & Gameplay
General
Fixed an issue where percentage bonuses to the same type of stat (Magicka Recovery, Max Magicka, etc.) would stack multiplicatively rather than additively. This will result in some stats changing slightly (generally going down).

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/281584/pc-mac-patch-notes-v2-5-5#latest

The fact that it is in the patch notes means it is most definitely not a stealth nerf, just a nerf.

Also, this is an MMO, they nerf and buff stuff all the time.

altemriel · August 2016

wayfarerx wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

just like WTH is that????!!!!

Combat & Gameplay
General
Fixed an issue where percentage bonuses to the same type of stat (Magicka Recovery, Max Magicka, etc.) would stack multiplicatively rather than additively. This will result in some stats changing slightly (generally going down).

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/281584/pc-mac-patch-notes-v2-5-5#latest

The fact that it is in the patch notes means it is most definitely not a stealth nerf, just a nerf.

Also, this is an MMO, they nerf and buff stuff all the time.

ok, no stealth nerf, but a nerf. I just do not get why they allow us to buff our char with race change (from stam altmer dk to stam redguard dk), but then they change the cp buffs calculations.....like WTH???

jedtb16_ESO · August 2016

your race change and the published bonus adjustment are not linked

imnotanother · August 2016

I am looking for some help understanding the situation.

Does this affect all races? Is it specific CP perks?

wayfarerx · August 2016

altemriel wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

just like WTH is that????!!!!

Combat & Gameplay
General
Fixed an issue where percentage bonuses to the same type of stat (Magicka Recovery, Max Magicka, etc.) would stack multiplicatively rather than additively. This will result in some stats changing slightly (generally going down).

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/281584/pc-mac-patch-notes-v2-5-5#latest

The fact that it is in the patch notes means it is most definitely not a stealth nerf, just a nerf.

Also, this is an MMO, they nerf and buff stuff all the time.

ok, no stealth nerf, but a nerf. I just do not get why they allow us to buff our char with race change (from stam altmer dk to stam redguard dk), but then they change the cp buffs calculations.....like WTH???

The CP changes hit all of us, my mageblade was having a hell of a time keeping his magicka up the other night in vRoM and I had to switch to my more regen-oriented gear that I usually keep on my templar healer. Yeah nerfs suck but we adjust and move on.

Still not sure what this has to do with race changes though.

KochDerDamonen · August 2016

Note that these multiplicative buffs were an issue and not intended, nir seemingly consistent. Now everyone should have the sane, intended, additive experience of using multiple % stat buffs.

ZOS does not owe you a refund for fixing this interaction.

jedtb16_ESO · August 2016

it has nothing to do with race change at all.

zos said in the patch notes they would adjust the cp bonuses which will have affected everyone with cp.

the thread is based on an hysterical reaction imagining a causal link between race change and that adjustment where there is none.

get a grip.

Whatzituyah · August 2016

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

Umm what stealth nerf dare I ask? (PS4 player)

@RAGUNAnoOne they changed how they calculate some things.. so it's additive instead of multiplicative I think. Not 100% sure you may want to look into it. Wasn't stealth though, I'm positive it was in the patch notes.

... although it is guar*** and trials/PvP were balanced around the multiplicative bonuses hence causing issues it did make the gap between races a bit less severe which people wanted so lesson to forum users be careful what you wish for you may get it.

Actually I asked for balance races starting to get satisfied.

Jsmalls · August 2016

So is spell cost % reduction finally additive!?!? That would be good news if I'm not mistaken.

Ghost-Shot · August 2016

To be fair, it was not a stealth nerf, you could have read the patch notes before buying the change. And this is a good change just like increasing ability costs last patch, resource management is where the skill gap comes from in this game so needing to be at least a little bit aware of your resources is a good thing for PVE and PVP gameplay.

Lord_Eomer · August 2016

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

To be fair, it was not a stealth nerf, you could have read the patch notes before buying the change. And this is a good change just like increasing ability costs last patch, resource management is where the skill gap comes from in this game so needing to be at least a little bit aware of your resources is a good thing for PVE and PVP gameplay.

No more nerf! PVE end game trials difficulty is same then nerf due to pvp..

Its all QQ about PVP..

Ghost-Shot · August 2016

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

To be fair, it was not a stealth nerf, you could have read the patch notes before buying the change. And this is a good change just like increasing ability costs last patch, resource management is where the skill gap comes from in this game so needing to be at least a little bit aware of your resources is a good thing for PVE and PVP gameplay.

No more nerf! PVE end game trials difficulty is same then nerf due to pvp..

Its literally impossible for me to run out of magic on trial bosses, that is not engaging game play because I don't even think about what I'm doing. We used to have to raid with spell sym to manage our mana, I want resource management to be a thing.

Also, wot?

AfkNinja · August 2016

Stacking percentage buffs were incorrectly multiplied.

Example, from gear/cp etc your bonuses for MP regen were 10% + 20% + 30% the old formula would work as such:

1.10% * 1.20% * 1.30% = 71% more regen. Multiplied you were getting a bonus 11% due the multiplicative bonuses.

Now it just adds them so:

10%, 20%, 30% = 60% as it was always intended to be. They never intended for percentage bonuses to get STRONGER as you stack them. This was leading to stat bonuses higher than they wanted so they fixed it.

There should be a trade off, if you want high sustain you should have to sacrifice some dmg or other stats.

Pangnirtung · August 2016

This seems to be a slippery slope now that you can pay with real money for a race change.

You pay real money to get the stats and racial abilities that you want and then it gets changed on you?

It's kind of like buying a car and a month later the dealer comes around and takes the radio out to put in a different one.

Slammer99uk · August 2016

altemriel wrote: »

just like WTH is that????!!!!

Combat & Gameplay
General
Fixed an issue where percentage bonuses to the same type of stat (Magicka Recovery, Max Magicka, etc.) would stack multiplicatively rather than additively. This will result in some stats changing slightly (generally going down).

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/281584/pc-mac-patch-notes-v2-5-5#latest

Think of it as a fix rather than a nerf

Kronuxx · August 2016

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

Umm what stealth nerf dare I ask? (PS4 player)

@RAGUNAnoOne they changed how they calculate some things.. so it's additive instead of multiplicative I think. Not 100% sure you may want to look into it. Wasn't stealth though, I'm positive it was in the patch notes.

altemriel wrote: »

Seriously WTH ZOS, tell me please why did I pay 3500 crowns to change my race of my char when you stealth nerfed the CP buffs, with that damn calculation change????!!

tell me ZOS....

... although it is guar*** and trials/PvP were balanced around the multiplicative bonuses hence causing issues it did make the gap between races a bit less severe which people wanted so lesson to forum users be careful what you wish for you may get it.

Both of you guys are funny. You're assuming PVP was already balanced? No, it wasn't. In fact the changes that were done, as listed in the patch notes essentially improve game calculations through better math. This isn't a nerf, it's a fix and in fact will promote less stat stacking, which is part of the problem in the imbalance with builds and PvP in this game. You know the whole concept that is plaguing the different economic classes in America right? The whole, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer? That's essentially what's happening here in ESO, but in regards to stat stacking. You know those players with those nice redguard and imperial racial % boost passives? Well guess what, their stacking won't be as powerful. So if I were you, I would stop complaining, and perhaps comprehend and understand the mechanics in the situation first before crying.

Please see comment below, as this guy gets it.

AfkNinja wrote: »

Stacking percentage buffs were incorrectly multiplied.

Example, from gear/cp etc your bonuses for MP regen were 10% + 20% + 30% the old formula would work as such:

1.10% * 1.20% * 1.30% = 71% more regen. Multiplied you were getting a bonus 11% due the multiplicative bonuses.

Now it just adds them so:

10%, 20%, 30% = 60% as it was always intended to be. They never intended for percentage bonuses to get STRONGER as you stack them. This was leading to stat bonuses higher than they wanted so they fixed it.

There should be a trade off, if you want high sustain you should have to sacrifice some dmg or other stats.

Morimizo · August 2016

wayfarerx wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

just like WTH is that????!!!!

Combat & Gameplay
General
Fixed an issue where percentage bonuses to the same type of stat (Magicka Recovery, Max Magicka, etc.) would stack multiplicatively rather than additively. This will result in some stats changing slightly (generally going down).

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/281584/pc-mac-patch-notes-v2-5-5#latest

The fact that it is in the patch notes means it is most definitely not a stealth nerf, just a nerf.

Also, this is an MMO, they nerf and buff stuff all the time.

This is the best laugh of the day; thanks!

I mean, BUFF?! [snip]
[edited for profanity bypass]

EsoRecon · August 2016

The change was good for the game. Yes, your stats may have dropped, but it is for the betterment of the game.

s7732425ub17_ESO · August 2016

Just so everyone knows, the regen nerf affects every character across the board. AND IT IS EXTREMELY NOTICEABLE. There is a big difference in sustain between before the patch and what we have now. It's very difficult to run non-sustain builds anymore unless you have amazing group support.

Reverb · August 2016

You paid crowns for a race change. You successfully changed your race. You got exactly what you paid for.

You wanted your race change to have a specific outcome. You did not research to see if that outcome was realistic. You did not get what you wanted. That is on you, not Zeni.

If they sold a stat improvement option that did not improve your stats, you'd be entitled to ask for a refund. But they don't, and you aren't. Instead you just seem a little crazy.

ArchMikem · August 2016

You spent 3500 crowns in order to take advantage of something that ZOS claimed was an issue, and now that it's been fixed to be more in-line with what they intended, you think they wronged you.