The Herd (formerly known as the Pact)

Anazasi · August 2016

I really don't know why EP on TF (NA, PC) continues to stack multiple raids on each other. I'm starting to think that this is really the only way you can accomplish anything. I understand why you do it and I truly understand the mechanics of the game, but come on guys, the quality of life in ESO and the level of fun you can have is truly not dependent on size. Even players in your own faction want you to split up more. Just remember, if creating lag is your objective you are winning.

We had a some really good fights on the 28th hope they keep coming.

July 28, 2016 video clip

CyrusArya · August 2016

A zergbad complaining about other zergbads, ha. Let me retort:

"I really don't know why Dominion Knights run full 24 man raids, I'm starting to think that this is really the only way anyone in that guild can accomplish anything. I understand why you do it and I truly understand the mechanics of the game, but come on guys, the quality of life in ESO and the level of fun you can have is truly not dependent on size."

Glass houses and all that.

Psilent · August 2016

Anazasi wrote: »

I really don't know why EP on TF (NA, PC) continues to stack multiple raids on each other. I'm starting to think that this is really the only way you can accomplish anything. I understand why you do it and I truly understand the mechanics of the game, but come on guys, the quality of life in ESO and the level of fun you can have is truly not dependent on size. Even players in your own faction want you to split up more. Just remember, if creating lag is your objective you are winning.

We had a some really good fights on the 28th hope they keep coming.

July 28, 2016 video clip

"Damned if you do; Damned if you don't."

If you head to another part of the map free from your faction to fight; your faction loses a home keep; you get hate in zone chat.

If you go to defend a home objective to help your faction you get a forum post calling you a raid stacker and lag creator.

Honestly, what do you want? I've seen your group by themselves fighting and I've seen you stacked with other groups as well. It happens by no fault of your own or ours.

Cathexis · August 2016

The problem is not the zerg.

The problem is a system that rewards the zerg.

Think about it this way: If the server booted every player when cyro lag spiked 999, or even 10 players every second, zerging would be a feared practice.

lygerseye · August 2016

Hate these Zerg posts. All factions do it, whether or not YOU do it.

Besides, they're just trying to play as originally advertised...

"We're planning on having 2,000 people at once in Cyrodil," says Firor.

"In a particular fight, our client is optimised to have 200 players on-screen at one time, which means you'll have very large battles within an even larger battlefield."

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/feb/01/elder-scrolls-online-interview-part-2

Rudyard · August 2016

I play EP. While I don't disagree with you, I've been increasingly seeing multiple raids from AD and from DC stacking. At one point yesterday there appeared to be three raids worth of AD players attacking BRK. I'm sure you could have said similar things about EP at Alessia in the past two days. Though there are some skillful tactics that can sway and win a keep battle, and skillful groups in each faction capable of doing so, increasingly keep battles are decided ultimately by who has the highest numbers.

I always run solo, but I find myself increasingly "surfing the zerg" not intentionally, but in defending our objectives, pursuing the enemy, etc, the zerg is right there. Small group fights are hard to come by in Trueflame NA (I assume they might be in IC, but I really don't go there anymore).

I think the towns are a step in the right direction. I think more incentive both score and AP-wise needs to be added to holding the towns (though having them as a spawn point should not be under estimated.

The win-by-largest numbers is frustrating. I logged out a couple of times this weekend after we, EP were getting overwhelmed by greater numbers. Part of that is due to the enemy stacking; part of that was due to defending one keep from AD and another from DC at the same time. But then again, that just means we've got to find a way to get AD and DC to focus on all their unguarded keeps behind the front line...

Anazasi · August 2016

CyrusArya wrote: »

A zergbad complaining about other zergbads, ha. Let me retort:

"I really don't know why Dominion Knights run full 24 man raids, I'm starting to think that this is really the only way anyone in that guild can accomplish anything. I understand why you do it and I truly understand the mechanics of the game, but come on guys, the quality of life in ESO and the level of fun you can have is truly not dependent on size."

Glass houses and all that.

apparently counting (see video below) is a challenge......Might i suggest practice on basic math....

Since we can not tell what faction you hail from either out of shame or uncertainty, i'll assume you are DC. Calling DK a zergbad guild running 24 is hype failed as it may be. Don't worry DC stacking is just as bad a EP and AD. In retrospect, we are all playing the game as intended, furthermore players who simply call out other players labeling them bad are simply upset because that is the only way they can justify their own short comings.

PS i hear twich is free you can make yourself feel as self important or as God like as you want there and I'm sure people will admire you for it.

Morostyle · August 2016

Its a EP thing - they are doing excatly the same on EU

and that goes for all campaigns

KisoValley · August 2016

lygerseye wrote: »

Hate these Zerg posts. All factions do it, whether or not YOU do it.

Besides, they're just trying to play as originally advertised...

"We're planning on having 2,000 people at once in Cyrodil," says Firor.

"In a particular fight, our client is optimised to have 200 players on-screen at one time, which means you'll have very large battles within an even larger battlefield."

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/feb/01/elder-scrolls-online-interview-part-2

@lygerseye Originally advertised yes. Yet they made it server side after a while if you remember? And since then the servers can't handle 50 people on-screen at one time. Imagine 200 on-screen holy *** pretty sure the servers would just shut down.

PvP rewards zergs which is a problem in itself when the server can't handle 2 zergs on-screen let alone any more, as well as ZOS being incompetent and refusing to admit a mistake in the lightning patch, bringing in aoe caps etc.

lygerseye · August 2016

@KisoValley So then the problem is with ZOS, not with any particular faction. Calling out EP is just flame baiting. Besides, I'd venture to guess that 90% of ESO players don't even come on to the forums on any regular basis. Who does OP think will read this, let alone take seriously?

KisoValley · August 2016

lygerseye wrote: »

@KisoValley So then the problem is with ZOS, not with any particular faction. Calling out EP is just flame baiting. Besides, I'd venture to guess that 90% of ESO players don't even come on to the forums on any regular basis. Who does OP think will read this, let alone take seriously?

I agree every faction does it although from what I hear EP are the worst on PC NA, similar to PC EU. But every faction does it, and I do think it's wrong to call out 1 faction for doing it.

rfennell_ESO · August 2016

Anazasi wrote: »

I really don't know why EP on TF (NA, PC) continues to stack multiple raids on each other. I'm starting to think that this is really the only way you can accomplish anything. I understand why you do it and I truly understand the mechanics of the game, but come on guys, the quality of life in ESO and the level of fun you can have is truly not dependent on size. Even players in your own faction want you to split up more. Just remember, if creating lag is your objective you are winning.

We had a some really good fights on the 28th hope they keep coming.

July 28, 2016 video clip

Yah they roll 50 deep and if they get wiped they just go for 70 deep. It's pretty ridiculous.

Anazasi · August 2016

I am not

Psilent wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I really don't know why EP on TF (NA, PC) continues to stack multiple raids on each other. I'm starting to think that this is really the only way you can accomplish anything. I understand why you do it and I truly understand the mechanics of the game, but come on guys, the quality of life in ESO and the level of fun you can have is truly not dependent on size. Even players in your own faction want you to split up more. Just remember, if creating lag is your objective you are winning.

We had a some really good fights on the 28th hope they keep coming.

July 28, 2016 video clip

"Damned if you do; Damned if you don't."

If you head to another part of the map free from your faction to fight; your faction loses a home keep; you get hate in zone chat.

If you go to defend a home objective to help your faction you get a forum post calling you a raid stacker and lag creator.

Honestly, what do you want? I've seen your group by themselves fighting and I've seen you stacked with other groups as well. It happens by no fault of your own or ours.

I agree with you as well. I share the same ideal that ZOS has when it comes to pvp. If i want to run 24 or 16 player groups that's my call and it should be your call as well. The problem is when well know players start sending tells saying to run smaller groups or don't stack, or play on other parts of the map. I don't need hate tells from other factions telling me what or how to play. The point of this post is to A, show we don't always run full sized raids. B, the stacking is simply uncontrollable and no one is to blame when it happens. and C. the haters out there who want to call us zergbads need to stop. DK is a decent group. If players want to ridicule us they need to first clean up their own poo.

Rohamad_Ali · August 2016

lygerseye · August 2016

Anazasi wrote: »

I don't need hate tells from other factions telling me what or how to play.

Agreed! Now, someone just needs to tell that to the OP!

Oh... Wait...

Anazasi · August 2016

lygerseye wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I don't need hate tells from other factions telling me what or how to play.

Agreed! Now, someone just needs to tell that to the OP!

Oh... Wait...

I do not send hate tells to players ever! need to check yourself on that one.

lygerseye · August 2016

This post is one big hate tell.

zyk · August 2016

Anazasi wrote: »

B, the stacking is simply uncontrollable and no one is to blame when it happens.

I disagree.

The game design does, at times, create zergs organically. There are also times when raid leaders may wish to coordinate when a large defense is anticipated -- at a depose keep or scroll fight, for example.

However, the leaders who routinely make the decision to stack raids like PM does or the guilds that have a habit of following PM around make the problem much worse. PM will stack raids at a resource for no good reason at all. Inexplicably, quality EP guilds can also found at these locations.

Nikolai is actually proud of this. He calls it an accomplishment. Abilities don't work, yet it's "epic."

Anazasi · August 2016

lygerseye wrote: »

This post is one big hate tell.

This post is a subtle reminder that players need to practice what they preach.

Burning_Talons · August 2016

So you run 24 man groups and complain because someone outnunbers your zerg? Hahaha but I bet you feel satisfied when you steanroll that 6man group with your group 4x as big

lygerseye · August 2016

So let me ask you (or anyone who wishes to respond): Specifically within the context of ESO PVP, what criteria have to be met before an organized group of players becomes a Zerg? Is it sheer numbers? Variety of skills/abilities used? Degree of coordination? When the servers start to lag? Or just when your group gets wiped?

I've been in a group of 12 well-coordinated players and been called out as a Zerg... But ESO allows grouping of up to 24. I've seen stacks of groups all run in at once to sack a keep, but claim they are playing "loose" and therefore are not Zerging.

What definition do you operate under?

fastolfv_ESO · August 2016

ive found AD on TF do it worse than EP the last 2 campaigns through the current, i think EP finally has a good reason to actually counter zerg AD. Ive tryed myself to hit places other dc raids are not so many times to encounter 2-3 ad raids that im almost to the point ep is with calling in more people and just swarming a target to get something done on the map. People can say break off just run your grp and it will keep the lag to a minimum but the sad truth is if everyone else doesnt do it why endure anywhere from 2-5 times your number. I really dont hate people for defending homekeeps with as many as your alliance can throw at it but if your roaming the map with those numbers expect everyone else too aswell

Lord_Hev · August 2016

I didn't even know Taran's ****y zerg had a name and considered themselves "organized" until recently. I just remember them as the early afternoon PvDoor crew that consistently steamrolled the map of Haderus every early afternoon EST. Legit AD pop-locked while EP and DC were at 1 bar. The same group where I 2vX'd at Brindle farm, literally half their raid. I have to assume your raid lead wasn't on and it wasn't an official group because you were all running around like headless chickens until you finally just sheer overwhelmed Montayva and I like ravage lemmings. And then you all camped my body(1 EP) for like 5 minutes while DC was pushing Roebeck at the time... body-camping Brindle farm... QAULITY GUILD LOL.

Now they are on TF complaining about EP zerging? lol. Congrats, AD zergers have found an opponent of their equal size to fight!

Outer_Rim · August 2016

Anazasi wrote: »

lygerseye wrote: »

This post is one big hate tell.

This post is a subtle reminder that players need to practice what they preach.

You should refrain from posting. Go check your other post before you come here and contradict yourself.

Makkir · August 2016

Yo QAM, They paid for my Akaviri motifs

pmn100b16_ESO · August 2016

Here's how EP does Cropsford on Azura EU:

Burning_Talons · August 2016

Anazasi wrote: »

I am not

Psilent wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I really don't know why EP on TF (NA, PC) continues to stack multiple raids on each other. I'm starting to think that this is really the only way you can accomplish anything. I understand why you do it and I truly understand the mechanics of the game, but come on guys, the quality of life in ESO and the level of fun you can have is truly not dependent on size. Even players in your own faction want you to split up more. Just remember, if creating lag is your objective you are winning.

We had a some really good fights on the 28th hope they keep coming.

July 28, 2016 video clip

"Damned if you do; Damned if you don't."

If you head to another part of the map free from your faction to fight; your faction loses a home keep; you get hate in zone chat.

If you go to defend a home objective to help your faction you get a forum post calling you a raid stacker and lag creator.

Honestly, what do you want? I've seen your group by themselves fighting and I've seen you stacked with other groups as well. It happens by no fault of your own or ours.

I agree with you as well. I share the same ideal that ZOS has when it comes to pvp. If i want to run 24 or 16 player groups that's my call and it should be your call as well. The problem is when well know players start sending tells saying to run smaller groups or don't stack, or play on other parts of the map. I don't need hate tells from other factions telling me what or how to play. The point of this post is to A, show we don't always run full sized raids. B, the stacking is simply uncontrollable and no one is to blame when it happens. and C. the haters out there who want to call us zergbads need to stop. DK is a decent group. If players want to ridicule us they need to first clean up their own poo.

You are the definition of hyporcrisy

THEDKEXPERIENCE · August 2016

This is silly. Every faction, on every system, on every server has Zergs.

You should see Scourge XBox NA. EP built up a 13k lead the first 10 days because we "Zerged" with 10 to 50 people depending on the time of day. As of last night the lead was down to 9k, and the map was completely yellow. Our 50 man EP Zerg was done in by a yellow Zerg of roughly eleventy billion.

Cyrodiil is not a land of 1 on 1 battles to see who has the most OMGSKILLZ. The only skill involved is knowing how to properly operate on a battlefield surrounded by 175 people who want to destroy you.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · August 2016

lygerseye wrote: »

So let me ask you (or anyone who wishes to respond): Specifically within the context of ESO PVP, what criteria have to be met before an organized group of players becomes a Zerg? Is it sheer numbers? Variety of skills/abilities used? Degree of coordination? When the servers start to lag? Or just when your group gets wiped?

I've been in a group of 12 well-coordinated players and been called out as a Zerg... But ESO allows grouping of up to 24. I've seen stacks of groups all run in at once to sack a keep, but claim they are playing "loose" and therefore are not Zerging.

What definition do you operate under?

A Zerg on these forums is any group larger than your group, or if you are away from your group, any group of 2.

E-Zekiel · August 2016

If you have a problem with mass PVP you're playing the wrong game I think

Crispen_Longbow · August 2016

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

lygerseye wrote: »

So let me ask you (or anyone who wishes to respond): Specifically within the context of ESO PVP, what criteria have to be met before an organized group of players becomes a Zerg? Is it sheer numbers? Variety of skills/abilities used? Degree of coordination? When the servers start to lag? Or just when your group gets wiped?

I've been in a group of 12 well-coordinated players and been called out as a Zerg... But ESO allows grouping of up to 24. I've seen stacks of groups all run in at once to sack a keep, but claim they are playing "loose" and therefore are not Zerging.

What definition do you operate under?

A Zerg on these forums is any group larger than your group, or if you are away from your group, any group of 2.

Guys and Gals,

This has been well documented in the Book of Armaments on Proper Group Size. Lets consult the book of Armaments Chapter Two Versus 9 Through 21.

And Saint Attila raised his hands up high, saying, "O Lord, bless this GROUP SIZE, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy." And the Lord did grin. And the people did feast upon the lambs, and sloths, and carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats, and large chu...

Brother Maynard: Skip a bit, Brother...

Cleric: And the Lord spake, saying, "First thou shalt Make a Group. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then thy GROUP is complete and shall be released towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it.