Why haven't you done a dungeon yet?

MopeyHat · August 2016

Stickleback wrote: »

When the game was first out, I did plenty of dungeons with guildies. We were all on the same footing, trying out the dungeons, listening to the (sometimes German even though we use the English client) NPC's, and figuring out stuff together.

All those first guildies have left, the guild no longer exists, and the few remaining joined a new guild. Their skill was higher than what I was used to, and my first trial with them was all rush and no finesse (plus in my rush I fell down and had to run back, making the group wait for me, how embarrassing). No idea what was going on, despite being on TS, and almost 2 years later I still don't know what the story is behind AA.

They all join PTS when it comes out, have done all the new dungeons loads of times by the time its on live. After work, by the time I log on, people are already asking for members by linking achievements. I just feel old and tired by all this rushing around.

I'll just continue farming a bit on my own.

This is why I've been dragging my PvP guild through trials. They're all experiencing it for the first time with me ;D

I could perfectly well join a larger guild and do a trial practically daily, but akin to the others here, I kind of like the idea of discovering things for myself.

Cously · August 2016

It's okay to be new. It's not okay to lie in order to save face.

Imryll · August 2016

I've done a few lowbie dungeons when someone has recruited in zone chat, but I've never gotten a group using the dungeon finder. My zone chat groups have always been pleasant and ended with additions to my friends list, so it's not that the community has been ugly to me, but if you want to take time to read quests and look around for lore books, you're always rushing to catch up with folks who have moved on. I much prefer content I can do in my own way at my own pace.

Lysette · August 2016

CJohnson81 wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

melianos wrote: »

I'm wondering if the group finder should add a "jack of all trade" option for people like me. I'd gladly do dungeons with 3 other hybrids, and we'd now before hand what we are going into.

I like this idea - it is more like playing together without to agree on certain roles where everyone just does his/her best. In a way, like when I am in a dungeon on my own and I see someone struggling, I support him/her - or like it happened yesterday to me, I ran into an enemy which was clearly too powerful for me and another player just stepped in and helped me out.

Actually we should tag @ZOS_GinaBruno because this is a very good idea which would make people like us want to try group play.

It actually might make grouping easier and faster.

The point is, that no one in such a group would expect others to perform a certain task - they will support each other, if they feel like it or get aware of that someone else needs help, but to the most part, each of them is on their own and take on the next best enemy which they consider doable. It might take longer to achieve something, but I think it is quite satisfying if it happens.

Ilsabet · August 2016

Moreso than in other games I've played, dungeons in ESO seem to be dependent on knowing mechanics and otherwise being experienced at those particular dungeons (beyond just knowing what you're doing as a player). At least that's the impression I've gotten from reading about them on the forums. Of course it depends on what kind of group you're in, but not having a reliable source of good groupmates at this time, I don't want to be the inexperienced noob in a group of experienced pros who just want to get through their daily as fast as possible, and it's just easier to say I'll get around to those dungeons later than it is to seek out people who are cool with leading me along. As it is I've got plenty of other things I can do by myself, so I just do them instead.

I also only recently started using Teamspeak, so I'm getting over my aversion to speaking with people I don't know. Teamspeak does make things way easier though, so I'm going to keep using it as necessary (and hope I don't have any unpleasant situations with weirdos).

I have done some trial runs with a guild group (normal SO and Maw) and they went fairly well considering most of us hadn't done them before. I'd be glad to do more dungeon runs with a group like that if the opportunity presents itself. I'd consider joining a guild that specializes in dungeon and trial runs if I knew I could find a good one, but I also get skittish about joining guilds that may or may not be right for me.

So basically I'm another dungeon newbie who's worried about annoying experienced groupmates and finds it easier to just go do other things than try to get into the dungeon scene.

mike_de · August 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

I do not think of it as a "sad story" - I am just not interested to play like others want me to play. I follow the intention of the game "play as you want" - I do not want to play dungeons with groups with certain roles, where I cannot and are not willing to fill any of those roles - this is alien to me and I am not willing to do that. This is not sad, this is my decision.

I wasn't referring specifically to you @Lysette . In your case it's pretty clear that your preferred playstyle isn't compatible with playing group intances and that's fine (even though I think your hybrid chars could run normal dungeons fine too, and I know quite a lot of people who also enjoy the careful, no-rush-no-death approach which makes things more thrilling, you could find like-minded people if you wished so).

That said, I think that ZOS has never been really consistent and it's unclear to me what their design is in this game. There are sets for hybrids, they obviously don't want people or classes to be stuck in "roles" but they still keep the "holy trinity" as search criteria in the group finder, and their mechanics are mostly based on highest stat, which penalizes hybrids. I'm not sure what they want from us.

Yes, we need the 4 "Jack of all trades" slots in the group finder. Maybe that would bring more solo players to playing a dungeon together.

Because like playing a defined role, this would signal to others, that these chars are used to survive on it's own.

This would be a simple change for ZOS, but would bring this single player MMO to a new level. By using the strong site of this game, building a character of your liking. Every group would be a new challenge, because you actually have to adapt to the skills of your random partners. And it keeps by definition the min/max players out of these groups. Just a label, to find like minded people.

But I think the main reason is, that no normal RP/solo player will be ever optimized for the "holy trinity" lazy copied from other MMO in this game.I don't see any of my chars in any of these trinity categories. I think ZOS took these trinity into their group finder, without even at least thinking about the kind of game they really created:

A single player game for elder scrolls players with optional MMO extension.

Carokube · August 2016

I thought I would never do a trial or a dungeon because a) I suck; b) Scared of other people telling me how much I suck and c) Not thinking I would be able to afford gear that was good enough.

Got lucky and made a friend who invited me to a trial. I was like 'oh yeah right I'm just going to die, and everyone will make fun of me.' He invited me anyway, I got on TeamSpeak (first time ever), and everyone was pretty friendly and giving out clear (well, fairly clear) instructions. After that I was hooked and I have been doing a trial every night for the past week. Joined the guild so now I have a place to go where I can usually find someone to group up with.

Here are some tips if you are still hesitant to try out group content (I'm sure some of these are repeats but this thing is 5 pages long and I'm not reading all of it):

1) Know your limits! Don't do the vet version of something until you're feeling comfortable with the normal (there are some exceptions, but as a general rule). That's when people get mad at you and things take forever. And don't let that guy try to sweet talk you and say "oh it's fine you can do it" because 30 mins later he will be eating those words (if not kicking you).

2) Go to Mournhold/Wayrest/Elden Root and type in zone "<Your role> LFG, CPXXX, inexperienced but looking to learn" or something to that effect. You may not find a group as quickly that way, but you are more likely to get with someone who is willing to show you the ropes!

3) Don't be afraid to tell people to slow down and explain the mechanics before each boss. It shouldn't take that long for anyone to do so, and if they refuse to do it, they are jerks.

4) Don't be afraid of TeamSpeak! If you find a group that is using it, it will be soooo much easier for you your first time in a dungeon. It's easier to help someone in the middle of a fight by talking compared to typing. You don't even have to talk, just listen.

5) If you can't yet afford good gear, buy some cheap sets from a guild trader. Even if they don't have the best traits it will still be better than non-set items a lot of the time. You can find cheap sets of Elegance, Viper and Skirmisher right now in any guild store. (I don't know what tanks use).

6) Join a PvE guild. Enough said.

I have about a million more of these tips, but I'll stop here.

Anyone on NA/PC can send me a message for an invite to a newbie-ish (still need CP160+), friendly Trial/Dungeon guild.

Lysette · August 2016

mike_de wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

I do not think of it as a "sad story" - I am just not interested to play like others want me to play. I follow the intention of the game "play as you want" - I do not want to play dungeons with groups with certain roles, where I cannot and are not willing to fill any of those roles - this is alien to me and I am not willing to do that. This is not sad, this is my decision.

I wasn't referring specifically to you @Lysette . In your case it's pretty clear that your preferred playstyle isn't compatible with playing group intances and that's fine (even though I think your hybrid chars could run normal dungeons fine too, and I know quite a lot of people who also enjoy the careful, no-rush-no-death approach which makes things more thrilling, you could find like-minded people if you wished so).

That said, I think that ZOS has never been really consistent and it's unclear to me what their design is in this game. There are sets for hybrids, they obviously don't want people or classes to be stuck in "roles" but they still keep the "holy trinity" as search criteria in the group finder, and their mechanics are mostly based on highest stat, which penalizes hybrids. I'm not sure what they want from us.

Yes, we need the 4 "Jack of all trades" slots in the group finder. Maybe that would bring more solo players to playing a dungeon together.

Because like playing a defined role, this would signal to others, that these chars are used to survive on it's own.

This would be a simple change for ZOS, but would bring this single player MMO to a new level. By using the strong site of this game, building a character of your liking. Every group would be a new challenge, because you actually have to adapt to the skills of your random partners. And it keeps by definition the min/max players out of these groups. Just a label, to find like minded people.

But I think the main reason is, that no normal RP/solo player will be ever optimized for the "holy trinity" lazy copied from other MMO in this game.I don't see any of my chars in any of these trinity categories. I think ZOS took these trinity into their group finder, without even at least thinking about the kind of game they really created:

A single player game for elder scrolls players with optional MMO extension.

Yes, I think I can cooperate better with people, who are used to do things on their own and just sometimes need some support, than to those, who rely by their build on a permanent support by another player, who has a support role. So I could concentrate on what I want to do in a dungeon and do not force others to care for me and they do not force me to care for them. But if I see they need help, I will help, and I guess they will do the same - but I would not rely on it and not blame them, if they don't, because I would not expect them to help, it would be enough help that they are around and I do not have to do all by myself - together we are stronger, even if we stay individuals and are not forming a real team.

DenMoria · August 2016

MopeyHat wrote: »

I keep seeing people say they've never done a dungeon, or only done one or two.

What keeps you out of dungeons? Is it the dungeon finder being glitchy? Players turn you off? Does PvP or roleplaying keep you busy?

Don't want to? Don't care for the social aspects? Don't play enough to care or make it worth it?

There are so many reasons.

After a couple of years with the game, I'm tired of the "grouping" and "social" aspects. I just go in, do some writs, gather some materials, maybe make some stuff and run around like a fool doing SP stuff.

That's enough.

biovitalb16_ESO · August 2016

I'm only CP 275, 99% of the time when I see someone looking for more they want 400+..so I just don't even bother, plus I like pvping more now than I do remembering scripted events.

Arbellason · August 2016

Don't have headphones, etc... find it awkward typing and playing at the same time. Have little time to really get into all of the gameplay styles, etc...

I've enjoyed the few that I've done, but it can be quite time consuming. I have a busy family and work life. All of this makes it difficult

Lysette · August 2016

Arbellason wrote: »

Don't have headphones, etc... find it awkward typing and playing at the same time. Have little time to really get into all of the gameplay styles, etc...

I've enjoyed the few that I've done, but it can be quite time consuming. I have a busy family and work life. All of this makes it difficult

Yes, if you have to pay attention to other things in real life, while you are playing, there is no way that you could just concentrate on the game and you must have the opportunity to interrupt the game and care for what is coming up in RL and needs immediate attention - this is basically how it is most of the time for me, I cannot do teamspeak and just play, I often do not even know how much time I will have to play - it could be just 20 minutes or a couple of hours, but I cannot say how long in advance. I think your situation in the family is much like that as well - if something comes up in RL, game time is over.

AKSb16_ESO2 · August 2016

One point that was not mentioned yet. But I guess that's more an european problem: Languages.
European server has lot of different languages. ^^ Teamspeak with 4 different languages is not very effective. ^^
Not everyone can speak english very well. ^^
Text chat is working better, but it's still a thing for people not to do dungeons.

Lysette · August 2016

AKSb16_ESO2 wrote: »

One point that was not mentioned yet. But I guess that's more an european problem: Languages.
European server has lot of different languages. ^^ Teamspeak with 4 different languages is not very effective. ^^
Not everyone can speak english very well. ^^
Text chat is working better, but it's still a thing for people not to do dungeons.

On the other hand, this is the perfect opportunity to learn the language from native speakers.

AKSb16_ESO2 · August 2016

Lysette wrote: »

AKSb16_ESO2 wrote: »

One point that was not mentioned yet. But I guess that's more an european problem: Languages.
European server has lot of different languages. ^^ Teamspeak with 4 different languages is not very effective. ^^
Not everyone can speak english very well. ^^
Text chat is working better, but it's still a thing for people not to do dungeons.

On the other hand, this is the perfect opportunity to learn the language from native speakers.

Well, at least you can learn the bad words of different languages when people are shouting at you. ^^

Lysette · August 2016

AKSb16_ESO2 wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

AKSb16_ESO2 wrote: »

One point that was not mentioned yet. But I guess that's more an european problem: Languages.
European server has lot of different languages. ^^ Teamspeak with 4 different languages is not very effective. ^^
Not everyone can speak english very well. ^^
Text chat is working better, but it's still a thing for people not to do dungeons.

On the other hand, this is the perfect opportunity to learn the language from native speakers.

Well, at least you can learn the bad words of different languages when people are shouting at you. ^^

I myself have learnt more from living in London for a year than in all the many years in school where they taught me "english", in a way, which is not useful for daily life at all. It takes interaction with real native english speakers or at least to watch a whole lot of english movies to get to the point, where you do not translate anymore and just use the language directly and think in that language. And when you have to use the language in daily life it is a lot different with all the many slang words in it as well and the many dialects people have. I have done all this and I am living in english spoken countries now for a couple of years and english became my first language by this - I think in it, I dream in it, I rarely use my native language at all - english is my language now.

DenMoria · August 2016

AKSb16_ESO2 wrote: »

One point that was not mentioned yet. But I guess that's more an european problem: Languages.
European server has lot of different languages. ^^ Teamspeak with 4 different languages is not very effective. ^^
Not everyone can speak english very well. ^^
Text chat is working better, but it's still a thing for people not to do dungeons.

I still prefer the EU though. While I speak English as my primary language, I am fortunate that I don't have a lot of trouble understanding other languages (the exception seems to be Arabic and Hebrew, but, those folks are great about accepting my terrible attempts to understand

).

I think I just like the EU because it seems to have more adults on it. Just don't have the patience any more for the very young and the ultra-competitive spirit of the NA.

AKSb16_ESO2 · August 2016

Ok, and now you are grouping up and the people in your group are french, german and polish, for example.

DenMoria · August 2016

AKSb16_ESO2 wrote: »

Ok, and now you are grouping up and the people in your group are french, german and polish, for example.

You adjust and you learn. While they are all different languages, in general, most Europeans don't have that much trouble understanding each other and most know at least the most common phrases and words in each other's language. Even as an USer playing on the EU, I don't have that many issues.

Lysette · August 2016

AKSb16_ESO2 wrote: »

Ok, and now you are grouping up and the people in your group are french, german and polish, for example.

I do not speak french at all, but I watch Elloa's videos, her ESO news in french, to get a feeling for the language and the context which is familiar to me, helps with understanding and so I hope that over time, even I do not speak the language myself, I get used to how it is spoken and I will understand more and more over time - even I do not speak it myself.

This happened to me here in south africa, where in the country side most people speak afrikaans (which is a form of old dutch). Over time I understood more and more and now I can follow their conversations, even I cannot really contribute in afrikaans myself - but I use english, they reply in afrikaans - that is fine to me. They are not forced to speak in another language than their normal one, and they understand english, even some of them do not speak it very well themselves.

DenMoria · August 2016

Lysette wrote: »

AKSb16_ESO2 wrote: »

Ok, and now you are grouping up and the people in your group are french, german and polish, for example.

I do not speak french at all, but I watch Elloa's videos, her ESO news in french, to get a feeling for the language and the context which is familiar to me, helps with understanding and so I hope that over time, even I do not speak the language myself, I get used to how it is spoken and I will understand more and more over time - even I do not speak it myself.

You will. You will.

AtmaDarkwolf · August 2016

Are you kidding? Do a group dungeon with other people? Seriously? HELL NO, thats not why I play MMOG's.

I play giant social games full of thousands of other people to keep away from them. Duh.

Ragemar · August 2016

Here are some of the reasons I do not do dungeons on my alts.

1. Queue time takes forever.
2. Rewards from dungeons are uninteresting.
3. At endgame you are farming the same stuff over and over and over and over and over hoping for that right Item, Armor Type and Trait combo (the 3xRNG) so not to be completely turned off from dungeons I tend to skip them at low level.
4. I honestly do not find dungeons interesting overall. A few of them have interesting bosses where it is not just a dps zerg but overall that is how they feel (some normal trials as well)

I would love it if dungeons had a 5 piece set each and maybe less RNG then I would do them for more than just gold keys.

Bouldercleave · August 2016

AtmaDarkwolf wrote: »

Are you kidding? Do a group dungeon with other people? Seriously? HELL NO, thats not why I play MMOG's.

I play giant social games full of thousands of other people to keep away from them. Duh.

People play social games with thousands of people for many different reasons. Mine may differ greatly from yours.

I personally don't play to do hardcore group content but enjoy the social aspects of guilds, crafting, RPing, and being social in general.

Your attitude alone is a main reason that I despise group content and many of the people in it. Duh.

Lysette · August 2016

DenMoria wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

AKSb16_ESO2 wrote: »

Ok, and now you are grouping up and the people in your group are french, german and polish, for example.

I do not speak french at all, but I watch Elloa's videos, her ESO news in french, to get a feeling for the language and the context which is familiar to me, helps with understanding and so I hope that over time, even I do not speak the language myself, I get used to how it is spoken and I will understand more and more over time - even I do not speak it myself.

You will. You will.

I guess I will, rather quickly than not - simply, because I never translate, but just get it from the context and so I get used to the words and phrases and understand them without translation - and this is my goal, to understand it directly.

AtmaDarkwolf · August 2016

Bouldercleave wrote: »

AtmaDarkwolf wrote: »

Are you kidding? Do a group dungeon with other people? Seriously? HELL NO, thats not why I play MMOG's.

I play giant social games full of thousands of other people to keep away from them. Duh.

People play social games with thousands of people for many different reasons. Mine may differ greatly from yours.

I personally don't play to do hardcore group content but enjoy the social aspects of guilds, crafting, RPing, and being social in general.

Your attitude alone is a main reason that I despise group content and many of the people in it. Duh.

Thats fine, your attitude (Of deciding what Mine was with my post :P) means i would prob not enjoy you around me either.

I have this thing called humor, and I find it amusing how 95% of people are pretty easy going, willing and able to both learn and teach, and receptive/accepting of mistakes and 'issues' in online games(being the NATURE of online games) yet that 5% who are hardcore elitist tools and those silly RP 'I wanna pretend I'm awesome so won't learn a thing' (Two separate ends of spectrum here, which total prob 5% of all players IF that) can foul the waters for the vast majority who WOULD enjoy the aspects of the game, but come to fear it because of the reactions and 'attitudes' of the above.

bugmom · August 2016

I stopped playing dungeons once I reached vet levels.

1. They take forever to complete, people dropping in and out, etc. This is a big deal for people who can't play for hours and hours at a time. If you've only got an hour or less, forget it.
2. In PvP if i need a break, usually the group is not too affected if I leave. In a dungeon I feel stuck with that team till done and it bugs me when people don't finish.
3. Dungeons and trials have a lot of bosses that just seem to be about endurance - can you press the same keys over and over and over and over for 10-15 minutes. I'm disabled and my hands can't take that level of unnecessary key pressing. Not to mention the boredom.
4. Trials especially seem to be about choreography. Not fun and takes forever.

DenMoria · August 2016

AtmaDarkwolf wrote: »

Are you kidding? Do a group dungeon with other people? Seriously? HELL NO, thats not why I play MMOG's.

I play giant social games full of thousands of other people to keep away from them. Duh.

Exactly! Half the fun is avoiding folks and ignoring invitations!

Honestly, the only reason I play ESO is because it's TES based and I like the crafting and main story. I have very little interest in the social aspects.

Hate to say it, but that's the truth.

DenMoria · August 2016

Lysette wrote: »

DenMoria wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

AKSb16_ESO2 wrote: »

Ok, and now you are grouping up and the people in your group are french, german and polish, for example.

I do not speak french at all, but I watch Elloa's videos, her ESO news in french, to get a feeling for the language and the context which is familiar to me, helps with understanding and so I hope that over time, even I do not speak the language myself, I get used to how it is spoken and I will understand more and more over time - even I do not speak it myself.

You will. You will.

I guess I will, rather quickly than not - simply, because I never translate, but just get it from the context and so I get used to the words and phrases and understand them without translation - and this is my goal, to understand it directly.

Assuredly, you will. My other 1/2 didn't speak a lick of French not 6 months ago, but, since he's been playing with me on the EU, he's picked up quite a bit. I've never been fluent, but, have always enjoyed foreign films so I understand quite a bit (BTW: wouldn't a US film be a "foreign film" if it's being seen in a country outside the US?).

DenMoria · August 2016

AtmaDarkwolf wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

AtmaDarkwolf wrote: »

Are you kidding? Do a group dungeon with other people? Seriously? HELL NO, thats not why I play MMOG's.

I play giant social games full of thousands of other people to keep away from them. Duh.

People play social games with thousands of people for many different reasons. Mine may differ greatly from yours.

I personally don't play to do hardcore group content but enjoy the social aspects of guilds, crafting, RPing, and being social in general.

Your attitude alone is a main reason that I despise group content and many of the people in it. Duh.

Thats fine, your attitude (Of deciding what Mine was with my post :P) means i would prob not enjoy you around me either.

I have this thing called humor, and I find it amusing how 95% of people are pretty easy going, willing and able to both learn and teach, and receptive/accepting of mistakes and 'issues' in online games(being the NATURE of online games) yet that 5% who are hardcore elitist tools and those silly RP 'I wanna pretend I'm awesome so won't learn a thing' (Two separate ends of spectrum here, which total prob 5% of all players IF that) can foul the waters for the vast majority who WOULD enjoy the aspects of the game, but come to fear it because of the reactions and 'attitudes' of the above.

Where are these 95% of whom you speak? In my experience over the last couple of years it's been more along the line of 50/50, so, apparently I'm missing an entire 45% of the population. Either that or I'm just such a reprehensible jerk that nobody likes me.