Which morph is best since latest patch? Dizzying Swing or Wrecking Blow?

imdas · July 2016

I can't decide whether to stick with Wrecking Blow or switch to Dizzying Swing, can some help me with the pros and cons to both?

Kammakazi · July 2016

PvE or PvP?

PvE, don't even bother with 2H.

PvP, the cc from Dizzying Swing is much more beneficial than just an Empower.

MaxwellC · July 2016

I definitely saw Dizzing swing but you can use Wrecking blow if you have another knock back CC like draining shot. I haven't tried doing it that way but it would be interesting combo that I haven't seen before.

GreenhaloX · July 2016

Kammakazi wrote: »

PvE or PvP?

PvE, don't even bother with 2H.

What?!! 2H/wrecking blow is one of the most dps inducing thing in PvE! Wrecking blow all the way in PvE. I find it harder to do wrecking blow in PvP because enemy players move and roll around so damn much, that it seems harder to gauge them while they are on the move with the slower wrecking blow. But in PvE, since all the adds and bosses seem to always coming at you, particularly running dolmen, all you do is stand there and let them run into your wrecking blow. Especially, if you combo it with either light attack/wrecking blow or do the animation cancelling with heavy attack/wrecking blow, not only do you generate more dps with the double hit, you also get stam back. Doing crit rush, then wrecking blow, then follow up with executioner (if needed).. forget about it.. call it a day for them baddies!

So, I'm seeing quite a few posts about how 2H/wrecking blow is no good for PvE. Hey, everybody is entitled to their opinions, but are these people even DK or ever use wrecking blow? In PvE, I take out most enemies quicker than my NB or sorc counterparts. Not saying a NB or sorc doesn't do any damages, oh believe they do as well, but the notion of 2H/wrecking blow is not good for PvE.. that is just blowing smoke or hot air!

Asmael · July 2016

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Kammakazi wrote: »

PvE or PvP?

PvE, don't even bother with 2H.

What?!! 2H/wrecking blow is one of the most dps inducing thing in PvE! Wrecking blow all the way in PvE. I find it harder to do wrecking blow in PvP because enemy players move and roll around so damn much, that it seems harder to gauge them while they are on the move with the slower wrecking blow. But in PvE, since all the adds and bosses seem to always coming at you, particularly running dolmen, all you do is stand there and let them run into your wrecking blow. Especially, if you combo it with either light attack/wrecking blow or do the animation cancelling with heavy attack/wrecking blow, not only do you generate more dps with the double hit, you also get stam back. Doing crit rush, then wrecking blow, then follow up with executioner (if needed).. forget about it.. call it a day for them baddies!

So, I'm seeing quite a few posts about how 2H/wrecking blow is no good for PvE. Hey, everybody is entitled to their opinions, but are these people even DK or ever use wrecking blow? In PvE, I take out most enemies quicker than my NB or sorc counterparts. Not saying a NB or sorc doesn't do any damages, oh believe they do as well, but the notion of 2H/wrecking blow is not good for PvE.. that is just blowing smoke or hot air!

Please show me a DPS parse of Manti of over 40k with 2H.

Open world PvE is a joke, and you could even kill Molag Bal with a friggin' spoon.

s7732425ub17_ESO · July 2016

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Kammakazi wrote: »

PvE or PvP?

PvE, don't even bother with 2H.

What?!! 2H/wrecking blow is one of the most dps inducing thing in PvE! Wrecking blow all the way in PvE. I find it harder to do wrecking blow in PvP because enemy players move and roll around so damn much, that it seems harder to gauge them while they are on the move with the slower wrecking blow. But in PvE, since all the adds and bosses seem to always coming at you, particularly running dolmen, all you do is stand there and let them run into your wrecking blow. Especially, if you combo it with either light attack/wrecking blow or do the animation cancelling with heavy attack/wrecking blow, not only do you generate more dps with the double hit, you also get stam back. Doing crit rush, then wrecking blow, then follow up with executioner (if needed).. forget about it.. call it a day for them baddies!

So, I'm seeing quite a few posts about how 2H/wrecking blow is no good for PvE. Hey, everybody is entitled to their opinions, but are these people even DK or ever use wrecking blow? In PvE, I take out most enemies quicker than my NB or sorc counterparts. Not saying a NB or sorc doesn't do any damages, oh believe they do as well, but the notion of 2H/wrecking blow is not good for PvE.. that is just blowing smoke or hot air!

This is incorrect. All top endgame stamina builds use Bow and Dual Wield, not 2H. Endgame damage numbers. If you are not level 50 yet, no one cares what you use.

MaxwellC · July 2016

Yeah only way I'd think WB would be viable in PvE is if you're using the dual maelstrom DWs and were just getting a WB in while the DoTs reset. Even that wouldn't be as good. None the less I still use a 2H in PvE just for more DoTs with my charge and healing since PuGs aren't always good at healing the DPS. It's also good for mob control when using reverse slice.

ScottK1994 · July 2016

I loved playing 2H as a DK. For questing it was better than DW. In dungeons? The AoE is terrible and the single target is too slow. It's a shame but we have to wait a while for 2H to be good in PvE

CasNation · July 2016

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Kammakazi wrote: »

PvE or PvP?

PvE, don't even bother with 2H.

What?!! 2H/wrecking blow is one of the most dps inducing thing in PvE! Wrecking blow all the way in PvE. I find it harder to do wrecking blow in PvP because enemy players move and roll around so damn much, that it seems harder to gauge them while they are on the move with the slower wrecking blow. But in PvE, since all the adds and bosses seem to always coming at you, particularly running dolmen, all you do is stand there and let them run into your wrecking blow. Especially, if you combo it with either light attack/wrecking blow or do the animation cancelling with heavy attack/wrecking blow, not only do you generate more dps with the double hit, you also get stam back. Doing crit rush, then wrecking blow, then follow up with executioner (if needed).. forget about it.. call it a day for them baddies!

So, I'm seeing quite a few posts about how 2H/wrecking blow is no good for PvE. Hey, everybody is entitled to their opinions, but are these people even DK or ever use wrecking blow? In PvE, I take out most enemies quicker than my NB or sorc counterparts. Not saying a NB or sorc doesn't do any damages, oh believe they do as well, but the notion of 2H/wrecking blow is not good for PvE.. that is just blowing smoke or hot air!

Ignore the somewhat hostile comments you received from this post, but they are correct. This is something I was trying to explain in your vMA post. Is Wrecking blow possibly the single hardest HITTING ability in the game? Quite possibly! Is it a good option for SUSTAINED damage per second? No. No it isn't.

The problem with it is that, while it hits really hard, the time between hits is very large, so, in the span of say 45 seconds, you will do far less damage by just spamming wrecking blow than spamming Rapid Strikes. Combine this with the fact that the cast time on wrecking blow makes it harder to weave in damage over time abilities, while the relatively quick animation of Rapid Strikes allows you to easily add in additional abilities your rotation.

Sorry for the derail, OP. It has already been said, but I would also vote for dizzying swing since you can gain empower from other sources, and the CC is really strong in pvp.

imdas · July 2016

So generally for a DK DPS Stam build y'all would recommend DW instead of 2H?

Recremen · July 2016

If you mean in PvP then Dizzying Swing is probably your better bet, that CC is incredibly important.

If you mean for PvE then Wrecking Blow is better because empower ups your damage when you have it in your rotation.

hingarthuub17_ESO · July 2016

imdas wrote: »

So generally for a DK DPS Stam build y'all would recommend DW instead of 2H?

I was a 2h DK. Switching to DW/bow is what my guild recommended and I haven't looked back.

imdas · July 2016

hingarthuub17_ESO wrote: »

imdas wrote: »

So generally for a DK DPS Stam build y'all would recommend DW instead of 2H?

I was a 2h DK. Switching to DW/bow is what my guild recommended and I haven't looked back.

I'm currently 2H/bow but I'll try DW/Bow out and see. Any DW abilities you recommend? I've never played DW before.

idk · July 2016

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Kammakazi wrote: »

PvE or PvP?

PvE, don't even bother with 2H.

What?!! 2H/wrecking blow is one of the most dps inducing thing in PvE! Wrecking blow all the way in PvE. I find it harder to do wrecking blow in PvP because enemy players move and roll around so damn much, that it seems harder to gauge them while they are on the move with the slower wrecking blow. But in PvE, since all the adds and bosses seem to always coming at you, particularly running dolmen, all you do is stand there and let them run into your wrecking blow. Especially, if you combo it with either light attack/wrecking blow or do the animation cancelling with heavy attack/wrecking blow, not only do you generate more dps with the double hit, you also get stam back. Doing crit rush, then wrecking blow, then follow up with executioner (if needed).. forget about it.. call it a day for them baddies!

So, I'm seeing quite a few posts about how 2H/wrecking blow is no good for PvE. Hey, everybody is entitled to their opinions, but are these people even DK or ever use wrecking blow? In PvE, I take out most enemies quicker than my NB or sorc counterparts. Not saying a NB or sorc doesn't do any damages, oh believe they do as well, but the notion of 2H/wrecking blow is not good for PvE.. that is just blowing smoke or hot air!

With such a comment as this I would like some numbers to support it. @GreenhaloX please let us know what kind of dps your pulling single target with your 2H. I've not seen a good build that used that weapon except maybe for the execute.

AfkNinja · July 2016

Depends where you get empower. With might of the guild you can get it with magelight in pvp so I would say Dizzying Swing is the bee's knee's.

iidcjrii · January 2019

2 yrs old but since when was rapid strikes an instant? Rapid strikes takes just as long to channel as Uppercut takes to cast, maybe a half second longer of that, and then when you factor in rapid strikes will do around 4K and uppercut about 10k at the end of each, UC by a mile is stronger, and you get an execute with 2h were you get a measly 20% extra under 20%hp...don’t let the metas tell you what you can and can’t do in PvE lol. Otherwise everyone will be running and using the same thing...oh wait...