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2 years of false promises, or unintentional forgetfulness from Zenimax?
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Dromede✭✭✭✭Me and my friend were skyshard hunting yesterday in Rivenspire. Thank the Divines for small delves like that! Get in, kill the boss, get the shard, get out.
I'm on ny 5th alt. I just don't care for side story stuff anymore. There's plenty wonderful storylines for those who wish to quest their way through.Skye Cloude - Sorc DPS, Master Crafter. Main, the bestest
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Dromede - Stamina Nightblade, she's a newb and doesn't know what she's doing
V'oghatta - Stamplar pretending to be a tank
Ulville Thonvella - aspiring Fire Mage, be careful around her fire sticks!
Dromedaris - lost and not found. Named after a shoe, what else can you expect from her? A proper tank in her wildest dreams
Swims-Naked - too pretty to grind, too silly to quest.
Sun Flair - Dunmer Templar that can't spell for life. To bad she's too broke to afford a name change... Well, at least she's pretty...0 -
Autolycus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Everyone who works for ZOS atm is working on Tamriel Unlimited. They are much too busy to address anything else, including support tickets regarding actual broken designs and mechanics. It's okay, we'll forget all about how tiny and uninteresting the delves are just as soon as you can bring all of your cross-faction friends into them.0 -
Milvan✭✭✭✭✭
✭IMhumbleO, if all the delves were craglornish (group-based, instanced, repeatable etc) would be great and fun for leveling and delving with your friends. Right now they are literally enter, grab the skyshard, kill the boss and leave.“Kings of the land and the sky we are; proud gryphons.” Stalker stands, the epitome of pride. Naked and muscular, his wings widen and his feet dig in as if he alone holds down the earth and supports the heavens, keeping the two ever separate.”
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Everyone who works for ZOS atm is working on Tamriel Unlimited. They are much too busy to address anything else
Maybe...
"ZOS continues to work on ESO DLC, continuing support and maintenance, as well as unannounced projects."
It is clear from that statement that the "unannounced projects" are not ESO DLC, continuing support, or maintenance. So, what ARE they working on, and how many people are working on it?
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Those delves are such a small and meaningless part of the game. Merely a skyshard and some XP. I have no issues that they did not complete such an insignificant project as that.
They are now, but they could also be a cool addition to the game world and its lore.
If you've played Skyrim, remember that Dwemer ruin where you found an elevator that brought you to another ruin and a huge underground cave with mushrooms, a giant and a Thu'umable bell which yielded a dragon? With the weird nirnroot? That was a cool adventure, a lot better than the circles many delves still are now.
Comparing the selves to what was in Skyrim is off topic for this thread as that was not the intent when they started updating the public delves.0 -
Autolycus✭✭✭✭✭
✭lordrichter wrote: »Everyone who works for ZOS atm is working on Tamriel Unlimited. They are much too busy to address anything else
Maybe...
"ZOS continues to work on ESO DLC, continuing support and maintenance, as well as unannounced projects."
It is clear from that statement that the "unannounced projects" are not ESO DLC, continuing support, or maintenance. So, what ARE they working on, and how many people are working on it?
Nobody has an answer, of course. But considering in a recent eso live they actually said they have too few people to even respond to support tickets (as if it weren't obvious), I'd wager nothing too special.1 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »Everyone who works for ZOS atm is working on Tamriel Unlimited. They are much too busy to address anything else
Maybe...
"ZOS continues to work on ESO DLC, continuing support and maintenance, as well as unannounced projects."
It is clear from that statement that the "unannounced projects" are not ESO DLC, continuing support, or maintenance. So, what ARE they working on, and how many people are working on it?
Nobody has an answer, of course. But considering in a recent eso live they actually said they have too few people to even respond to support tickets (as if it weren't obvious), I'd wager nothing too special.
Yeah, but the support people are not working on this sort of stuff.
ZOS is running ESO as a "free to play, store supported" game, for the purpose of this discussion, and they seem to be allocating their support and development expenses with that in mind. They obviously do development at a measured rate that fits into this, and I am sure that the money they spend on support, including support vendors, is in line with all of this.
This does not prevent them from working on other projects using money allocated separately from the live ESO game. Remember that ZOS is division in a much larger company, one that has a lot of cash from games that it can allocate across studios to fund a variety of projects. On top of that, I am fairly certain that ESO is not a financial failure.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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Korah_Eaglecry✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I actually hate that some of the delves are so large. I typically go into delves for the skyshards and to scratch the delve off my list. When I go in there and some of them are the size of actual Dungeons. Its annoying.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax0 -
MasterSpatula✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I will confess, every time I'm on a lowbie alt or running through Cadwell's and wander into a delve, I pull up the map first thing. When it's one of those simple circles, I often breathe a sigh of relief. Some of the bigger delves are complex for the sake of complexity without actually being any more interesting at all--in other words, a lot more of my time is wasted for not one bit more enjoyment.
There are exceptions. The Coldharbor delves, for example, earn their complexity."A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle1 -
vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭DeadDealer wrote: »so you want small delves like this, ye?
You forgot to put in the skyshard.0 -
Reverb✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't want delves to be bigger. I want them to be more relevant, or smaller or with fewer mobs. Right now they are just an annoyance that I have to get through for boss achievements and skyshards.
I already don't like the ones that are so big that I have to run all the way out after killing the boss, I always think "why can't they all be small with exit doors at the end like in Glenumbra?"!Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche0 -
Paraflex✭✭✭✭Wrothgar Public dungeons are big enough. This type of content isn't even needed in the game its fine how it is. Go buy Wrothgar DLC.Hollykills CP 630 Templar Healer - Ad PS4 Warlord Rank
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petraeus1✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Those delves are such a small and meaningless part of the game. Merely a skyshard and some XP. I have no issues that they did not complete such an insignificant project as that.
They are now, but they could also be a cool addition to the game world and its lore.
If you've played Skyrim, remember that Dwemer ruin where you found an elevator that brought you to another ruin and a huge underground cave with mushrooms, a giant and a Thu'umable bell which yielded a dragon? With the weird nirnroot? That was a cool adventure, a lot better than the circles many delves still are now.
Comparing the selves to what was in Skyrim is off topic for this thread as that was not the intent when they started updating the public delves.
What. BrokeBack
They did not state any intent at all about updating the delves, apart from saying they wanted to make them larger. For what reason? Who knows. I talked about delves in my post and related it to delve size and how it matters for my perception of said delves, pulling an example from another TES game that succesfully implemented large delves that added gameplay value for me, in contrast to other people who'd rather have small delves.
If I started talking about eating chicken soup in the toilet - that would be off topic.0 -
DeadDealer✭✭✭@petraeus1 you missed angry whine at launch, when all delves was similar to each other and looks like blantant copy-paste thingsEdited by DeadDealer on July 26, 2016 5:03PM0
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Ulfgarde✭✭✭✭✭Gotta love the ESO community. So many complaints over the most minor things over the past weeks.
A lot of new content is coming to the game that shows immense promise for everyone. Shadows of the Hist. Vvardenfall. Player Housing. Style Parlor. Costume Dyeing. That's not even beginning the list of incoming features.
Did they skimp on their promise? Of course, but you must admit that there are such things as priorities, especially in MMOs. This type of corner-cutting happens all the time. To complain and vent without construction does nothing other than create toxicity.Very athletic eso player
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Autolycus✭✭✭✭✭
✭lordrichter wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »Everyone who works for ZOS atm is working on Tamriel Unlimited. They are much too busy to address anything else
Maybe...
"ZOS continues to work on ESO DLC, continuing support and maintenance, as well as unannounced projects."
It is clear from that statement that the "unannounced projects" are not ESO DLC, continuing support, or maintenance. So, what ARE they working on, and how many people are working on it?
Nobody has an answer, of course. But considering in a recent eso live they actually said they have too few people to even respond to support tickets (as if it weren't obvious), I'd wager nothing too special.
Yeah, but the support people are not working on this sort of stuff.
ZOS is running ESO as a "free to play, store supported" game, for the purpose of this discussion, and they seem to be allocating their support and development expenses with that in mind. They obviously do development at a measured rate that fits into this, and I am sure that the money they spend on support, including support vendors, is in line with all of this.
This does not prevent them from working on other projects using money allocated separately from the live ESO game. Remember that ZOS is division in a much larger company, one that has a lot of cash from games that it can allocate across studios to fund a variety of projects. On top of that, I am fairly certain that ESO is not a financial failure.
Don't take my word for it then, go watch the ESO Live streams yourself. Look around the forums... there are threads everywhere about how people aren't getting responses from Support, and I think they said in the stream they've had to close out tickets because they've taken people away to work on One Tamriel instead; that they don't have enough bodies to address everything that's coming their way.
I work in the financial services industry, and analyzing companies is what I do for a living. You're right, ESO (and ZOS, by extension) is not a financial failure, it is a cash cow. But either way, "service" is not the highlight of the business model.Edited by Autolycus on July 26, 2016 5:21PM0 -
DeadDealer✭✭✭@Autolycus no lol
they hired 3rd party company to handle tickets, its official info
and then 3rd party company isnt developers at all and they do not working on Tamriel One by any way0 -
Autolycus✭✭✭✭✭
✭DeadDealer wrote: »@Autolycus no lol
they hired 3rd party company to handle tickets, its official info
and then 3rd party company isnt developers at all and they do not working on Tamriel One by any way
Yes they outsourced a portion of their servicing. No, that's not what I'm referring to. And to assume support reps cannot be cross-trained to suit a larger business objective is an insult to support reps everywhere! Like I said, don't take my word for it. If you disagree, that's your business.Edited by Autolycus on July 26, 2016 5:27PM0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Those delves are such a small and meaningless part of the game. Merely a skyshard and some XP. I have no issues that they did not complete such an insignificant project as that.
They are now, but they could also be a cool addition to the game world and its lore.
If you've played Skyrim, remember that Dwemer ruin where you found an elevator that brought you to another ruin and a huge underground cave with mushrooms, a giant and a Thu'umable bell which yielded a dragon? With the weird nirnroot? That was a cool adventure, a lot better than the circles many delves still are now.
Comparing the selves to what was in Skyrim is off topic for this thread as that was not the intent when they started updating the public delves.
What. BrokeBack
They did not state any intent at all about updating the delves, apart from saying they wanted to make them larger. For what reason? Who knows. I talked about delves in my post and related it to delve size and how it matters for my perception of said delves, pulling an example from another TES game that succesfully implemented large delves that added gameplay value for me, in contrast to other people who'd rather have small delves.
If I started talking about eating chicken soup in the toilet - that would be off topic.
What do you mean by broke back?
You were talking previously about making the delves into something spectacular in a means beyond what OP was mentioning.
Doesn't reall matter. Few players really care about the delves beyond the skyshard. Especially players leveling alts. Would prefer Zos spend time on more beneficial new content and fixing bugs vs rehashing old content.0 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭lordrichter wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »Everyone who works for ZOS atm is working on Tamriel Unlimited. They are much too busy to address anything else
Maybe...
"ZOS continues to work on ESO DLC, continuing support and maintenance, as well as unannounced projects."
It is clear from that statement that the "unannounced projects" are not ESO DLC, continuing support, or maintenance. So, what ARE they working on, and how many people are working on it?
Nobody has an answer, of course. But considering in a recent eso live they actually said they have too few people to even respond to support tickets (as if it weren't obvious), I'd wager nothing too special.
Yeah, but the support people are not working on this sort of stuff.
ZOS is running ESO as a "free to play, store supported" game, for the purpose of this discussion, and they seem to be allocating their support and development expenses with that in mind. They obviously do development at a measured rate that fits into this, and I am sure that the money they spend on support, including support vendors, is in line with all of this.
This does not prevent them from working on other projects using money allocated separately from the live ESO game. Remember that ZOS is division in a much larger company, one that has a lot of cash from games that it can allocate across studios to fund a variety of projects. On top of that, I am fairly certain that ESO is not a financial failure.
Don't take my word for it then, go watch the ESO Live streams yourself. Look around the forums... there are threads everywhere about how people aren't getting responses from Support, and I think they said in the stream they've had to close out tickets because they've taken people away to work on One Tamriel instead; that they don't have enough bodies to address everything that's coming their way.
I work in the financial services industry, and analyzing companies is what I do for a living. You're right, ESO (and ZOS, by extension) is not a financial failure, it is a cash cow. But either way, "service" is not the highlight of the business model.
Unfortunately, "service" is not in the business model of many businesses nowadays. As someone who works in compliance and disclosure, "service" has become something of a dirty word in the business community as "satisfaction" seems to have become something that a company cannot achieve without opening themselves up to incredible levels of liability and thus litigious behavior. The catch-22 is that it comes at companies from both sides now. You cannot satisfy the customers (who, quite honestly are minor in the equation and really only there as a revenue stream) and you cannot satisfy your share-holders (and these are the folks that hold your reins). The share-holders come first, unfortunately. He who holds the whip usually wins.1 -
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✭✭They did expand a few right when this was originally announced but notta since. I would like to see these delves fleshed out more in the future as well. I was very excited for this when it was announced.
I'm hoping that after One Tamriel launches we will see things like delve expansions, new quests in old zones, horse racing and spell crafting hit the front burner.
I mean, we have a giant beautiful world to play in, none of this content should ever be 'wasted' or 'out-leveled'. Its Tamriel!I AM UPDATING MY PRIVACY POLICY
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Rex-Umbra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I always like the small ones feel like a free skyshard and achievement.Xbox GT: Rex Umbrah
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