zardenurghanb14_ESO wrote: »

Feel free to disagree with me on this but honestly this is some EA level of stupidity.

I disagree and I fully understand that eso plus must have more exclusive content. As non-subscriber I think we already have A LOT of different styles and armors to choose from, and this should be enough for anyone willing to find his unique style in game, just for the cost of base game. I wouldn't demand anything more, like costumes or dyeing them being available for non-subs too.
In fact I feel that, comparing with other comparable MMOs, ESO already stands out with their very generous playing options for non-subs . This is also very encouraging to play more in this already huge "free" content.
Why did I stop playing GW2 free to play? Because of the annoying chat restrictions that makes me a lone player. Or because of the stupid running without mounts. Or because of restrictions in buying and selling goods. And why did I stop playing SWTOR preferred? Because of that stupid money cap, or the crafting/companion missions restrictions.
Why I don't want to stop playing ESO? There are no restrictions here for non-subs, like I saw in the a.m. games. And I already put much more real money into single SWTOR annual subscription, probably 4x more than the cost of base ESO game, but I lost all the cool content in swtor when I stopped subbing and became pref. In ESO I have much more just for base game. So I just feel no right to complain I don't have something that has the sub, or demand more.
The more new features ZOS gives only for subscribers the better and I accept that in 100% . Still better they offer new features than if they would change the status of existing ones, eg removing ability to ride all horses for non-subs and allowing this for subs only...

zardenurghanb14_ESO wrote: »

Eirikir wrote: »

I have no sub, but I think people who pay should get more. Its not a pay wall, its business. ZoE is a business, they aren't here to give out stuff for free.

It's a pay wall if you have to pay for it, that's the definition of paywall. The reason someone wants money from you for the feature is irrelevant.
They are not here to give stuff for free, but the thing is, that it is not for free because you have to buy the game and the addons! FTP game not the same as Pay to play game, learn the difference!

I just want to say that i find it absolutely hilarious that people begged zos for months for additional benefits for subbing and now that that's happening, first craft bag now costume dying, on come the torrent of complaints that it's no fair lol.

Be careful what you wish for? Haha

As a non-subscriber my only complaint with the system is that outside of ESO plus you're restricted to pre-determined combinations. It doesn't help that I don't like any of the ones currently available.

When I first heard about it I thought the actual dying process would be the same for everyone and the only difference would be that subscribers could do it as many times as they wanted "for free" because the cost is included in their subscription whereas non-subscribers would have to pay each time.

Based on that assumption I was planning to buy dye stamps for every costume I have on all of my characters.

But that got scrapped once I found out how it actually worked. I'm willing to pay for it but I want to be able to choose the colours, not have arbitrary choices assigned to me by someone else. So as things stand I won't be buying any dye stamps. If I ever have a sub for a month I'll dye them then, if not I'll stick with the defaults.

ThatKidd_Anthony wrote: »

Dying your costume is not a game changer, you won't instantly become One Punch Man. It's simply a loyalty option. It's to keep their subscribers happy.

The fact of the matter is, nobody has to dye their costumes.

The argument that "they might as well make armor dying ESO+ exclusive too" is just petty.
You don't pay for armor, you work for them.
You do pay for costumes, you do pay for ESO+, so now here's a extra benefit.

Nobody has to dye their costumes...what kind of nonsense argument is this? Nobody has to make PvP or play dungeons, so they can put that behind a sub wall too?!

Yes it's an extra feature, but it is a feature, not a costume, pet or riding animal, it's a whole feature!

Right, I pay for costumes, which makes them way more relevant for Zenimax than regular armour.
It's money for them! Adding the dying feature made costumes interesting that otherwise would have been irrelevant due to unfitting coloration. That's extra costumes sold! This kind of policy may make me way more angry than it should, but it does.
Knowing already that weapon dying and any other intresting but not too relevant feature will also be behind a sub wall makes me hopping mad.

Gargath:

The more new features ZOS gives only for subscribers the better and I accept that in 100% . Still better they offer new features than if they would change the status of existing ones, eg removing ability to ride all horses for non-subs and allowing this for subs only...


That is right, but doing this would be suicide for them and they know it.

Vaoh wrote: »

ZOS is money hungry..... what else is there to say

You do realize they are in this to make money. MMOs cost millions of dollars to develop, maintain and create new content for. In addition to costs, they also need to make a profit. If they don't make a profit, there wont' be a game for people to complain about.

BlackSparrow wrote: »

[old lady voice]All this fuss about dying costumes... In my day, we didn't have no costumes or none of these new-fangled dye stations neither. Whatever color the armor came in, that was what we got! And we walked uphill both ways to craft it, too![/old lady voice]

and we were GRATEFUL


.edited to mention that I think that the idea of a "dye stamp" is completely foolish. As I have said before the trim/arrangement of colors is usually a bit warped on shoulders, so even when I'm using the "same three colors" I'm not using them in the same order on all the parts.

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I know. It's just funny.

In the end I decided the best option for me was to buy a 1 month subscription, dye all my costumes and then immediately cancel the sub. (I still get the full 30 days, but it won't renew.) It cost me £9 which seems like a reasonable price for the amount of characters/costumes I have and I'm not likely to want to change them regularly.

Most importantly though it let me dye them the colours I wanted (like changing the section at the front of the evening gown from red to purple) instead of dying the entire thing random clashing colours.

BrianDavion wrote: »

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Feel free to disagree with me on this but honestly this is some EA level of stupidity.

no it's not it's not even close. I played SWTOR for YEARS. I even enjoyed it for a good length of time until fairly recently. and lemme tell you, comparing ZOS's decision here to EA is beyond hyperbole.

let's look at SWTOR for a moment, I'll not get into all the various other aspects
of the game, beyond noting that ZOS gives everyone their subscription cost in crowns each month which is EXTREMELY generous by industry standards.

let's look at dye options... to dye your armor in SWTOR you need basicly a dye stamp even if you're a subscriber. thjat IS the only dye system. to get these dye stamps, you need to buy RANDOM PACKS, and hope for a dye you like (now in fairness this does mean the auction house in SWTOR has plenty of ugly dyes dirt chea, if you wanna be a really hidious pastel pink you can do it free) you can SOMETIMES by a black/black black white, white/white or white/black dye direct from their CM, but it costs 20 dollars.

so no this dye system ISN'T EA level. if it was EA level we'd ALL have to use it, and we'd be duying the stamps in a random pack where even if one of the combos was too our liking, good luck finding it! [/quote]

To be fair that doesn't sound hugely different from how Guild Wars 2 (a buy-to-play game) does it.

Most dyes in that game come from the cash-shop - as "unidentified dyes" which turn into a random colour. Sometimes there are special packs which are limited to one colour range or theme but you still can't control which colour you get. It is possible to craft them (again randomised, you'll craft 'a red dye' and it will turn into one of about 20 possibilities) but it's very expensive or get unidentified dyes as rare drops.

All of which means the most sensible way to get a specific colour is to buy it on the Trading Post from someone who was trying for a different colour (or gambling, hoping they'd make more money than simply exchanging cash shop currency for gold directly).

Danikat wrote: »

In the end I decided the best option for me was to buy a 1 month subscription, dye all my costumes and then immediately cancel the sub. (I still get the full 30 days, but it won't renew.) It cost me £9 which seems like a reasonable price for the amount of characters/costumes I have and I'm not likely to want to change them regularly.

Most importantly though it let me dye them the colours I wanted (like changing the section at the front of the evening gown from red to purple) instead of dying the entire thing random clashing colours.

BrianDavion wrote: »

zardenurghanb14_ESO wrote: »

Feel free to disagree with me on this but honestly this is some EA level of stupidity.

no it's not it's not even close. I played SWTOR for YEARS. I even enjoyed it for a good length of time until fairly recently. and lemme tell you, comparing ZOS's decision here to EA is beyond hyperbole.

let's look at SWTOR for a moment, I'll not get into all the various other aspects
of the game, beyond noting that ZOS gives everyone their subscription cost in crowns each month which is EXTREMELY generous by industry standards.

let's look at dye options... to dye your armor in SWTOR you need basicly a dye stamp even if you're a subscriber. thjat IS the only dye system. to get these dye stamps, you need to buy RANDOM PACKS, and hope for a dye you like (now in fairness this does mean the auction house in SWTOR has plenty of ugly dyes dirt chea, if you wanna be a really hidious pastel pink you can do it free) you can SOMETIMES by a black/black black white, white/white or white/black dye direct from their CM, but it costs 20 dollars.

so no this dye system ISN'T EA level. if it was EA level we'd ALL have to use it, and we'd be duying the stamps in a random pack where even if one of the combos was too our liking, good luck finding it!

To be fair that doesn't sound hugely different from how Guild Wars 2 (a buy-to-play game) does it.

Most dyes in that game come from the cash-shop - as "unidentified dyes" which turn into a random colour. Sometimes there are special packs which are limited to one colour range or theme but you still can't control which colour you get. It is possible to craft them (again randomised, you'll craft 'a red dye' and it will turn into one of about 20 possibilities) but it's very expensive or get unidentified dyes as rare drops.

All of which means the most sensible way to get a specific colour is to buy it on the Trading Post from someone who was trying for a different colour (or gambling, hoping they'd make more money than simply exchanging cash shop currency for gold directly).

To be fair, SWtOR also had some craftable dyes, so no "stamps" were not the *only* way to get dyes. Of course, they were mostly rather plain and basic colors, and nothing particularly desirable, but it was a "free" option (in terms of microtransactions; you still had to acquire the materials to craft them of course).