A World Wide Auction House would solve a lot of problems cause the current system is a bit wonky

Korah_Eaglecry · July 2016

Grao wrote: »

Guys, even if you fill the first page of General Discussion with threads about this, it is very unlikely to happen. Zenimax is of sound reasoning to keep far away from the concept of a central auction house for ESO because that economic model proves again and again to be too easily to manipulate in every MMO that implements it. I hardly ever agree with ZOS, but on this matter, they are completely right.

AHs allow players that have huge amounts of gold amassed to take over control of the market creating monopolies, forcing prices up or down according to their whims, I know as I've done it in WoW for years with a couple of friends. You don't want that to happen in ESO. I understand the current system has its flaws, it is merciless on the GMs of trading guilds, it demands people to move around to find the better prices and the UI is appalling, but improving it is a far better solution than removing it for a system with even more and worse flaws.

And I am sorry for new players, I understand it is rough for you to join a good trading guild at low levels when your gold income is so limited, but let me tell you something. Pretty much nothing you get at those early levels is worth posting in a trader anyway. For those lucky enough to get one gold rune drop or a extremely rare gold improvement material, you can easily sell it in open chat... You don't need one of the best trading guilds in the game for it.

Yeah I remember this being said about Text Chat for console. And we all know how that turned out.

UltimaJoe777 · July 2016

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Grao wrote: »

Guys, even if you fill the first page of General Discussion with threads about this, it is very unlikely to happen. Zenimax is of sound reasoning to keep far away from the concept of a central auction house for ESO because that economic model proves again and again to be too easily to manipulate in every MMO that implements it. I hardly ever agree with ZOS, but on this matter, they are completely right.

AHs allow players that have huge amounts of gold amassed to take over control of the market creating monopolies, forcing prices up or down according to their whims, I know as I've done it in WoW for years with a couple of friends. You don't want that to happen in ESO. I understand the current system has its flaws, it is merciless on the GMs of trading guilds, it demands people to move around to find the better prices and the UI is appalling, but improving it is a far better solution than removing it for a system with even more and worse flaws.

And I am sorry for new players, I understand it is rough for you to join a good trading guild at low levels when your gold income is so limited, but let me tell you something. Pretty much nothing you get at those early levels is worth posting in a trader anyway. For those lucky enough to get one gold rune drop or a extremely rare gold improvement material, you can easily sell it in open chat... You don't need one of the best trading guilds in the game for it.

Yeah I remember this being said about Text Chat for console. And we all know how that turned out.

Except they didn't have a system in place already for text chatting beyond using in-game pms and the console's social network. This game actually has a means of player marketing and they support it wholeheartedly so it's definitely a different case here.

Grao · July 2016

LadyLethalla wrote: »

While I am not entirely sure what an Auction House actually is, I for one would like a better trader system - such as the Auction Horse... although that picture does look more like a donkey. #justsayin xD

If nothing else I would really like the game to save my searches so I don't continually have to input the same parameters. And also a further refinement to said searches - eg I would like to be able to search by Motif, instead of just by price.

There are addons that save search parameters and make the stores horrible UI more friendly.

Korah_Eaglecry · July 2016

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Grao wrote: »

Guys, even if you fill the first page of General Discussion with threads about this, it is very unlikely to happen. Zenimax is of sound reasoning to keep far away from the concept of a central auction house for ESO because that economic model proves again and again to be too easily to manipulate in every MMO that implements it. I hardly ever agree with ZOS, but on this matter, they are completely right.

AHs allow players that have huge amounts of gold amassed to take over control of the market creating monopolies, forcing prices up or down according to their whims, I know as I've done it in WoW for years with a couple of friends. You don't want that to happen in ESO. I understand the current system has its flaws, it is merciless on the GMs of trading guilds, it demands people to move around to find the better prices and the UI is appalling, but improving it is a far better solution than removing it for a system with even more and worse flaws.

And I am sorry for new players, I understand it is rough for you to join a good trading guild at low levels when your gold income is so limited, but let me tell you something. Pretty much nothing you get at those early levels is worth posting in a trader anyway. For those lucky enough to get one gold rune drop or a extremely rare gold improvement material, you can easily sell it in open chat... You don't need one of the best trading guilds in the game for it.

Yeah I remember this being said about Text Chat for console. And we all know how that turned out.

Except they didn't have a system in place already for text chatting beyond using in-game pms and the console's social network. This game actually has a means of player marketing and they support it wholeheartedly so it's definitely a different case here.

Actually the point I was making was that if there was a concerted effort by the playerbase to push for an AH theres a solid chance that ZOS might change their stance. Since they've done so on numerous issues the playerbase has rallied behind. Text Chat for Console, Removal of Veteran Ranks, and Smallscale PvP to name a few.

If they can overhaul the leveling system in this game. Surely they can overhaul the means of listing and selling items much like they did when they added Guild Traders when the original function of Guild Stores were meant for selling to be from within the Guild primarily and you had to hold a Keep in Cyrodiil to sell it to anyone else.

Grao · July 2016

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Articulemort wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Articulemort wrote: »

I'm so sick of these posts.

If you want a auction house, fine, but don't expect prices to drop, in fact I can guarantee everything will go up.

I would personally see to it to buy every single gold upgrade mat on the AH and instantly double the price. And there are dozens apon dozens of players on every platform that will all do the same. You will literally be handing the rich players the economy on a silver platter.

We all thank you for your support.

And no one would buy them for the simple fact you do it to grief, and thus said economy would collapse. GG

And that's why it will never work and shouldn't be put into the game.

It won't work because people can be buttholes huh? Yeah, ok. Guess that means small-scale PvP won't work either because everyone will be sore winners and sore losers...

FYI Griefing is a bannable offense so anyone that purposely does what you said they would just for the sake of hiking the prices is technically griefing.

LOL...

The act of buying out your competition to force prices up is not griefing, it is how markets work, even in real life. Don't be pathetic. Every MMO with an auction house has to contend with players that enjoy spending their time crunching the numbers and working the game to pile even larger sums of gold, that is not griefing, it is a play style. Just like you may enjoy PvPing or PvEing, someone can enjoy accumulating wealth. To suggest such is against the rules just makes you sound ridiculous.

Buttholes... Seriously...

PurifedBladez · July 2016

They don't know how.

Grao · July 2016

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Articulemort wrote: »

I'm so sick of these posts.

If you want a auction house, fine, but don't expect prices to drop, in fact I can guarantee everything will go up.

I would personally see to it to buy every single gold upgrade mat on the AH and instantly double the price. And there are dozens apon dozens of players on every platform that will all do the same. You will literally be handing the rich players the economy on a silver platter.

We all thank you for your support.

If you think the rich players dont already have a monopoly on the system already. Youre either in denial or being purposely misleading.

Players with huge amount of wealth in ESO can't fully gain control over the market because the market in ESO is diffused. An auction house is centralized and thus much, much easier to manipulate fully and corner markets. Besides, most players with huge wealth right now are busy leading their own trading guilds, remove that entertaiment and they will turn towards controlling this new AH. I know I would.

UltimaJoe777 · July 2016

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Grao wrote: »

Guys, even if you fill the first page of General Discussion with threads about this, it is very unlikely to happen. Zenimax is of sound reasoning to keep far away from the concept of a central auction house for ESO because that economic model proves again and again to be too easily to manipulate in every MMO that implements it. I hardly ever agree with ZOS, but on this matter, they are completely right.

AHs allow players that have huge amounts of gold amassed to take over control of the market creating monopolies, forcing prices up or down according to their whims, I know as I've done it in WoW for years with a couple of friends. You don't want that to happen in ESO. I understand the current system has its flaws, it is merciless on the GMs of trading guilds, it demands people to move around to find the better prices and the UI is appalling, but improving it is a far better solution than removing it for a system with even more and worse flaws.

And I am sorry for new players, I understand it is rough for you to join a good trading guild at low levels when your gold income is so limited, but let me tell you something. Pretty much nothing you get at those early levels is worth posting in a trader anyway. For those lucky enough to get one gold rune drop or a extremely rare gold improvement material, you can easily sell it in open chat... You don't need one of the best trading guilds in the game for it.

Yeah I remember this being said about Text Chat for console. And we all know how that turned out.

Except they didn't have a system in place already for text chatting beyond using in-game pms and the console's social network. This game actually has a means of player marketing and they support it wholeheartedly so it's definitely a different case here.

Actually the point I was making was that if there was a concerted effort by the playerbase to push for an AH theres a solid chance that ZOS might change their stance. Since they've done so on numerous issues the playerbase has rallied behind. Text Chat for Console, Removal of Veteran Ranks, and Smallscale PvP to name a few.

If they can overhaul the leveling system in this game. Surely they can overhaul the means of listing and selling items much like they did when they added Guild Traders when the original function of Guild Stores were meant for selling to be from within the Guild primarily and you had to hold a Keep in Cyrodiil to sell it to anyone else.

I forget what exactly made them opt out for text chat, something about technical issues or whatever, but so many people kept egging on they finally caved. However, that was also because voice chat is all we had, and not everyone uses it for various reasons. It's a lot easier to make out a bunch of rambling in a little text box than over your speakers/headphone.

I really don't get why people hated Veteran Ranks so much. I personally had no beef with them, but at this point ESO no longer has much of a leveling system at all. It's absolute basics at this point, which personally I find not-so-rewarding. They catered to people complaining about leveling alts to max level on that one.

I don't think they ever actually said we would never have small-scale PvP. However, it was requested so much they decided to add it, for the simple fact competitive players hate large-scale PvP.

Comparing those to the current NPC-based Trading system is not as relative. I get your point but there is more foundation on this one, and not nearly as many people wanting it. In fact, there are a considerable number of people AGAINST it.

Korah_Eaglecry · July 2016

This game is no different t

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Grao wrote: »

Guys, even if you fill the first page of General Discussion with threads about this, it is very unlikely to happen. Zenimax is of sound reasoning to keep far away from the concept of a central auction house for ESO because that economic model proves again and again to be too easily to manipulate in every MMO that implements it. I hardly ever agree with ZOS, but on this matter, they are completely right.

AHs allow players that have huge amounts of gold amassed to take over control of the market creating monopolies, forcing prices up or down according to their whims, I know as I've done it in WoW for years with a couple of friends. You don't want that to happen in ESO. I understand the current system has its flaws, it is merciless on the GMs of trading guilds, it demands people to move around to find the better prices and the UI is appalling, but improving it is a far better solution than removing it for a system with even more and worse flaws.

And I am sorry for new players, I understand it is rough for you to join a good trading guild at low levels when your gold income is so limited, but let me tell you something. Pretty much nothing you get at those early levels is worth posting in a trader anyway. For those lucky enough to get one gold rune drop or a extremely rare gold improvement material, you can easily sell it in open chat... You don't need one of the best trading guilds in the game for it.

Yeah I remember this being said about Text Chat for console. And we all know how that turned out.

Except they didn't have a system in place already for text chatting beyond using in-game pms and the console's social network. This game actually has a means of player marketing and they support it wholeheartedly so it's definitely a different case here.

Actually the point I was making was that if there was a concerted effort by the playerbase to push for an AH theres a solid chance that ZOS might change their stance. Since they've done so on numerous issues the playerbase has rallied behind. Text Chat for Console, Removal of Veteran Ranks, and Smallscale PvP to name a few.

If they can overhaul the leveling system in this game. Surely they can overhaul the means of listing and selling items much like they did when they added Guild Traders when the original function of Guild Stores were meant for selling to be from within the Guild primarily and you had to hold a Keep in Cyrodiil to sell it to anyone else.

I forget what exactly made them opt out for text chat, something about technical issues or whatever, but so many people kept egging on they finally caved. However, that was also because voice chat is all we had, and not everyone uses it for various reasons. It's a lot easier to make out a bunch of rambling in a little text box than over your speakers/headphone.

I really don't get why people hated Veteran Ranks so much. I personally had no beef with them, but at this point ESO no longer has much of a leveling system at all. It's absolute basics at this point, which personally I find not-so-rewarding. They catered to people complaining about leveling alts to max level on that one.

I don't think they ever actually said we would never have small-scale PvP. However, it was requested so much they decided to add it, for the simple fact competitive players hate large-scale PvP.

Comparing those to the current NPC-based Trading system is not as relative. I get your point but there is more foundation on this one, and not nearly as many people wanting it. In fact, there are a considerable number of people AGAINST it.

Are you dense? Im not comparing the actual changes. But the motivation behind those changes.

UltimaJoe777 · July 2016

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

I get your point

I direct you to the bolded part. "Dense" enough for ya?

AlnilamE · July 2016

Deathgiggle wrote: »

Ok, if you want to have guild traders I completely understand! You want a unique game I get that!! Then can we please just get a search system for PS4 that would allow me to save my parameters?

Oh, absolutely! On PC, there is an addon called AwesomeGuildStore that really should be what the vanilla UI is like. It makes the guild traders 1000% better.

Now, since we are talking about Auction Houses, let me give you some live experience: I'm currently logged in to another game, where I need to buy a couple of crystals. This game only has an Auction House as a trading hub. The crystal I want is currently out of stock, but is listed at regular enough intervals that I need to camp the marketplace in order to get them as soon as one is listed. It's half past midnight and I just want to go to sleep.

I'd much rather have to go from trader to trader in ESO where I can at least enjoy the scenery rather than stare at a stupid AH screen.

I didn't like the idea of an Auction house before I started playing this, and now I like it even less.

Waseem · July 2016

No for auction house.
we are sick of the current monopoly already.
we dont want people to use bots to buy cheapest items and sell them for 5-10% profits. in a month price of everything will be 1000x of current prices

idk · July 2016

Vipstaakki wrote: »

NO for an auction house Guild traders are a much better solution.

Agree. And I do plenty well with using a single guild trader. I also have little issue finding what I am looking for. I am glad that we do not have the old tired central trading kiosks. So boring and prices get driven down so much faster.

Also, just a little explanation here. Zos will never implement an auction house let alone a central auction house. Few games use auction houses and they are a bigger pain for selling items than a central trade kiosk.

I certainly hope Zos does not give in to the vocal minority.

Beardimus · July 2016

No no no to auction house! As a buyer I much prefer the current system, it rewards effort by finding deals. If you want AH go WoW

snakester320 · July 2016

these threads are like beating a dead auction horse with a stick!! i would prefer a AUCTION HOUSE but the whinging ppl making heaps of gold by having a guild trader are scared to lose there means of controlling the market thus losing gold!!!

wenchmore420b14_ESO · July 2016

Deathgiggle wrote: »

Ok, if you want to have guild traders I completely understand! You want a unique game I get that!! Then can we please just get a search system for PS4 that would allow me to save my parameters? Or as someone suggested, a system where I can search all Guild Traders in that area at the same time.(not global)

If I were able to search all the traders in an area, but maybe make me still walk or ride to that particular trader to purchase the item, then I'd be happy with that. Would you anti-world auction house guys/gals be ok with that?

P.S. That Auction Horse poster was funny

Look here and see what you can find that might interest you.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/categories/en-ps4-na
Hope it helps!!!
Huzzah!!
And, again for my 4,745th time, No To Auction House!

Anhedonie · July 2016

No, thanks.

jedtb16_ESO · July 2016

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

No no no please!!! I am already having a hard time to sell my legendary resins etc. because there are some people selling it extremely cheap in my guild to begin with. Now imagine a wwa? It would ruin the market!

Believe me 5.000 is not a hard amount to make OP. I can do that only by questing by day, do some writs, gather everything, sell what you dont need even to npcs, (NOT quality items though, deconstruct those to get the materials that you will later sell in the guild) and...KUTA = You are set for 3 weeks.

This isnt true at all. It would actually allow you to sell your resins at market value. That might be lower or even higher in an open market where more players are able to not only participate in selling but buying as well. Players trying to undercut to get their goods sold doesnt decide the market value in an AH. They are almost never a majority unless there is a lack of consensus on the market value. Sure theyre bought up first, but they are often bought up by someone playing the market and reselling them at market value. The demand for such things is constant so there is always more people tapping into the AH to buy them up. And this means youll always have a demand and because the undercutting priced items are limited. Your resins will sell, unless youre placing them at the high end of the market value or well above it. Then its your own fault for being greedy.

there is an open market already.... if you are using the standard ui just hit enter and type 'wts x' x being the thing you want to sell = i suggest doing it in a heavily populated area.

Gargath · July 2016

Deathgiggle wrote: »

As a new player about 3 weeks into the game I ran into sticker shock when I tried joining several trading guilds. Not all of them but most require you to fork over $5000 a week in dues to be able to use the trader. the ones that don't require a fee upfront, have messages that say they strongly encourage you to make guild donations if you use their trader and I constantly see people getting kicked for donating small amounts like $1000 cause the guild says they are not participating enough. Then the other trick is that they sell these tickets and strongly push everyone to buy them to support their trader bidding.

For a new person starting out, $5000 a week is a lot of money

When I was starting with ESO I was thinking exactly the same

. I remember well my first earned 10k gold from selling perfect roe, which I found after 10 minutes with a fishing rod first time in my hands - that was awesome

.
From time perspective I feel that my primary mistake was I started alone and wanted to learn everything alone. When there were so many good people around in various helpful guilds, who could provide me all the details needed at start, I was striving to fix the world myself

. So I spent my initial 400 crowns on some basic style motif pack, thinking that because they are in crown store, they cannot be obtained in game - wrong

. But realised that after a long time.

Back to topic, there are so many guilds with traders in best hubs which do not require donations, only require from you that you are an active trader, so you utilise your full 30 trading spots, you trade on a frequest basis and offer always in good prices, which mean you have a Master Merchant addon installed and sell in +/- MM average (on PC it's a must have). They ofc put the warnings in guild note about kick because of xxx etc but it's needed to encourage people for trading and reminding the basic rules. I never gave a donation to my trading guild, but because I sell always in MM average or below, my wares are selling quick, and I also noticed I earned few ranks up just because I sell a lot. This is a main profit for good guild. I was never kicked because I made no donation in gold, if simultaneoulsy I was trading a lot. So I think the basic rule is, you must achieve one of these two rules to stay in guild - donate OR sell a lot, but not both.
And an advice for new players, don't underestimate the potential which gives you picking every single node you see on the ground. Especially on lower levels the raw ores, woods and plants could be main source of quick money - you can have no MM addon but knowing the usual prices you can earn tens of thousands gold in short period of time. Raw mats are always needed but I see many low level players running blindly, in my favour

. And if you lack the basic mats for your crafting, join a good PVE guild - they usually have guild bank full of mats, armors etc, which they do not trade but use for guild members.
And in my humble opinion WWAH from your topic would solve some problems, while creating new, so it's not a simple or best way out.