A World Wide Auction House would solve a lot of problems cause the current system is a bit wonky

Deathgiggle · July 2016

As a new player about 3 weeks into the game I ran into sticker shock when I tried joining several trading guilds. Not all of them but most require you to fork over $5000 a week in dues to be able to use the trader. the ones that don't require a fee upfront, have messages that say they strongly encourage you to make guild donations if you use their trader and I constantly see people getting kicked for donating small amounts like $1000 cause the guild says they are not participating enough. Then the other trick is that they sell these tickets and strongly push everyone to buy them to support their trader bidding.

For a new person starting out, $5000 a week is a lot of money. Also, just trying to find an item you can use as an upgrade has you running around to multiple traders and doing time consuming searches. Not sure how it is on the PC but on PS4, it doesn't remember my search from one trader to the next so I have to input my parameters all over again.

I am also seeing a lot of complaint threads on the forums about how bidding has gone out of control for prime trader locations. My own guild I'm currently in, stated the same thing, that is costs hundreds of thousands if not millions of gold to secure good traders.

I just don't understand why they could not institute a World Wide Auction house or provide a World wide trade channel. It would solve so much and allow you to enjoy playing instead of paying!

Also, it would be beneficial to the noob that just wants to put that rare recipe he found on the AH and make a little money to start saving for a mount or buy a better piece of armor.

This is the rambling of a sad new player that can't afford to even sell his goods because I play casually and $5k a week is a lot of money to me. Listing items at out of the way traders is just a waste of time as the stuff just sits there no matter how low you price it

Pink_Violinz · July 2016

Only the most elite guilds require 5k per week. Usually I skip on those. Yes, the best traders will cost the most. But that is also true for practically anything.

Finding a proper guild is all you really need to do. I have one in Wayrest that I never pay for, and we rarely ever have off weeks. And as for people getting kicked from free guilds? Well, then thats not really a free guild then, is it? That's a fairly scummy thing to do and the first I've ever heard of something like that happening.

Free guilds asking for contributions and raffles are common and completely fine. Nothing is free, and showing some support for the guild is a nice thing to do. Yes, they get some cash back from taxes but raffles are a great way to make money and support the guildies.

And for people saving for a mount? If you JUST started, you should be doing quests, which give okay amounts of gold. Saving 10k for a mount is pocket change for any player.

I personally despise the idea of an auction house, finding our current system much more natural and genuine. It would only benefit those who can afford to sell dirt cheap and harm anyone who isn't constantly farming. That's all I'm going to say there because there is another active thread about this and I don't want to be killed in my sleep.

If you are positively desperate, go to Deshaan or another populated area and mention you are trying to sell x. Eventually someone will pop up.

Caligamy_ESO · July 2016

in before Auction Horse.. we all know its coming

AzraelKrieg · July 2016

Auction house? Excuse me for a second.

There we go. For the sake of the divines, stop asking for this archaic trade style

Holycannoli · July 2016

Pink_Violinz wrote: »

It would only benefit those who can afford to sell dirt cheap

How can anyone possibly see that as a bad thing?

Vipstaakki · July 2016

NO for an auction house Guild traders are a much better solution.

disintegr8 · July 2016

@Deathgiggle - what platform/server are you on? I am on PS4 NA and trade in two no fee guilds that I can invite you to if you want. As long as you sell stuff they are happy to have you.

ArchMikem · July 2016

Holycannoli wrote: »

Pink_Violinz wrote: »

It would only benefit those who can afford to sell dirt cheap

How can anyone possibly see that as a bad thing?

This is Capitalism. People are too familiar with it and they will bite down even harder if you try to pull it away from them. They want their money. They want as much of it as they think they can get out of you. And they will defend their methods, tooth and nail, as the normal way of things. I hate it just as much.

I would just suggest you play the game as usual, and use the game itself to make money, by looting as much as you can and selling it to Merchants until your own gold starts piling. Then you can start worrying about the trading guilds if you want to.

Grao · July 2016

Guys, even if you fill the first page of General Discussion with threads about this, it is very unlikely to happen. Zenimax is of sound reasoning to keep far away from the concept of a central auction house for ESO because that economic model proves again and again to be too easily to manipulate in every MMO that implements it. I hardly ever agree with ZOS, but on this matter, they are completely right.

AHs allow players that have huge amounts of gold amassed to take over control of the market creating monopolies, forcing prices up or down according to their whims, I know as I've done it in WoW for years with a couple of friends. You don't want that to happen in ESO. I understand the current system has its flaws, it is merciless on the GMs of trading guilds, it demands people to move around to find the better prices and the UI is appalling, but improving it is a far better solution than removing it for a system with even more and worse flaws.

And I am sorry for new players, I understand it is rough for you to join a good trading guild at low levels when your gold income is so limited, but let me tell you something. Pretty much nothing you get at those early levels is worth posting in a trader anyway. For those lucky enough to get one gold rune drop or a extremely rare gold improvement material, you can easily sell it in open chat... You don't need one of the best trading guilds in the game for it.

Rohamad_Ali · July 2016

@Gidorick

I want a Auction Horse .

Runefang · July 2016

Just add a global search function and I'll be happy.

Visiting garage sales to finish my grocery shopping list is stupid. So is the current system.

UltimaJoe777 · July 2016

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

@Gidorick

I want a Auction Horse .

Don't worry, I gotcha covered!

Korah_Eaglecry · July 2016

ArchMikem wrote: »

Holycannoli wrote: »

Pink_Violinz wrote: »

It would only benefit those who can afford to sell dirt cheap

How can anyone possibly see that as a bad thing?

This is Capitalism. People are too familiar with it and they will bite down even harder if you try to pull it away from them. They want their money. They want as much of it as they think they can get out of you. And they will defend their methods, tooth and nail, as the normal way of things. I hate it just as much.

I would just suggest you play the game as usual, and use the game itself to make money, by looting as much as you can and selling it to Merchants until your own gold starts piling. Then you can start worrying about the trading guilds if you want to.

Its a video game. If you think youre more entitled to participate in the system than anyone else. Youre wrong.

wayfarerx · July 2016

Down with the auction house!

All hail the auction horse!

ScottK1994 · July 2016

"Generic, uninspired" more like tried and tested.

Vipstaakki · July 2016

Yeah, tried, tested and flawed

Please no for an auction house, we don't need any kind of monopoly on items here.

jircris11 · July 2016

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

@Gidorick

I want a Auction Horse .

Don't worry, I gotcha covered!

damn it you beat me XD. Personally i do not want a wold wide AH. maybe a broker in each major city that acts like trade hub. But even then those with a surplus of money would end up ruling it within weeks. I am not in a trade guild and i have NO issues selling or buying what i need. It is quite fun to haggle honestly it reminds me of the older days of mmos. To those who say they do not have time to sit around and shout WTB or WTS why not do so while you are questing it is what i do. Or buy and sell while you take a small break from fighting.

CherryCake · July 2016

No no no please!!! I am already having a hard time to sell my legendary resins etc. because there are some people selling it extremely cheap in my guild to begin with. Now imagine a wwa? It would ruin the market!

Believe me 5.000 is not a hard amount to make OP. I can do that only by questing by day, do some writs, gather everything, sell what you dont need even to npcs, (NOT quality items though, deconstruct those to get the materials that you will later sell in the guild) and...KUTA = You are set for 3 weeks.

LadyLethalla · July 2016

While I am not entirely sure what an Auction House actually is, I for one would like a better trader system - such as the Auction Horse... although that picture does look more like a donkey. #justsayin xD

If nothing else I would really like the game to save my searches so I don't continually have to input the same parameters. And also a further refinement to said searches - eg I would like to be able to search by Motif, instead of just by price.

alexkdd99 · July 2016

As others have said only the top trade guilds require 5k. A really easy way to get gold at any level is run around start zone and pick up the raw jute raw iron and alchemy ingredients. You can easily sell stuff like that and have your mount in no time.

Articulemort · July 2016

I'm so sick of these posts.

If you want a auction house, fine, but don't expect prices to drop, in fact I can guarantee everything will go up.

I would personally see to it to buy every single gold upgrade mat on the AH and instantly double the price. And there are dozens apon dozens of players on every platform that will all do the same. You will literally be handing the rich players the economy on a silver platter.

We all thank you for your support.

UltimaJoe777 · July 2016

Articulemort wrote: »

I'm so sick of these posts.

If you want a auction house, fine, but don't expect prices to drop, in fact I can guarantee everything will go up.

I would personally see to it to buy every single gold upgrade mat on the AH and instantly double the price. And there are dozens apon dozens of players on every platform that will all do the same. You will literally be handing the rich players the economy on a silver platter.

We all thank you for your support.

And no one would buy them for the simple fact you do it to grief, and thus said economy would collapse. GG

Articulemort · July 2016

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Articulemort wrote: »

I'm so sick of these posts.

If you want a auction house, fine, but don't expect prices to drop, in fact I can guarantee everything will go up.

I would personally see to it to buy every single gold upgrade mat on the AH and instantly double the price. And there are dozens apon dozens of players on every platform that will all do the same. You will literally be handing the rich players the economy on a silver platter.

We all thank you for your support.

And no one would buy them for the simple fact you do it to grief, and thus said economy would collapse. GG

And that's why it will never work and shouldn't be put into the game.

Grymmoire · July 2016

Well, in my opinion, an unstated reason why many may be against an AH is simply, trading as constructed in ESO caters to Guilds, wherein MMOs with AH's allow postings by any individual regardless of Guild affiliation. This gives a distinct monetary advantage that I doubt any Guild wants to see disappear.

Asserting that the present system is better than the 'archaic AH' is simply untrue, at least how it was implemented. having to travel to several areas ad clicking on each individual vendor, the employing mouse click after mouse click to refine searches, even using 3rd party add ons, which should not be necessary is outright poor design. Never in any MMO I have played, major or obscure ones, have I spent more time searching for certain goods than actually enjoying my play time.

Worries about players in an open AH setting manipulating prices? Exactly what does everyone think is happening now? Visiting vendors, shopping and seeing most prices is like driving around town and looking at gasoline prices; amazing how they all seem to be within pennies of one another.

IN ESO, what we have is legitimized price-fixing via MM and other tools that set the prices almost everyone uses. In an open AH situation, I can price my goods to sell for what I think my labor is worth in relation to others' prices.

If trading in ESO is to be controlled only by Guilds and having to join trading Guilds then so be it, however, better search tools that reduce the onerous system now in effect are paramount IMHO. I am tired of all the time wasted looking for one specific item in a morass of hundreds of unsorted lists, and do not want to run multiple add ons to control what a game should natively incorporate.

susmitds · July 2016

To be honest, if Auction House was in place, I would have never found half of the Set items I did in Guild Stores, as they would have sold away, much long ago.

Kalifas · July 2016

Grymmoire wrote: »

Well, in my opinion, an unstated reason why many may be against an AH is simply, trading as constructed in ESO caters to Guilds, wherein MMOs with AH's allow postings by any individual regardless of Guild affiliation. This gives a distinct monetary advantage that I doubt any Guild wants to see disappear.

Asserting that the present system is better than the 'archaic AH' is simply untrue, at least how it was implemented. having to travel to several areas ad clicking on each individual vendor, the employing mouse click after mouse click to refine searches, even using 3rd party add ons, which should not be necessary is outright poor design. Never in any MMO I have played, major or obscure ones, have I spent more time searching for certain goods than actually enjoying my play time.

Worries about players in an open AH setting manipulating prices? Exactly what does everyone think is happening now? Visiting vendors, shopping and seeing most prices is like driving around town and looking at gasoline prices; amazing how they all seem to be within pennies of one another.

IN ESO, what we have is legitimized price-fixing via MM and other tools that set the prices almost everyone uses. In an open AH situation, I can price my goods to sell for what I think my labor is worth in relation to others' prices.

If trading in ESO is to be controlled only by Guilds and having to join trading Guilds then so be it, however, better search tools that reduce the onerous system now in effect are paramount IMHO. I am tired of all the time wasted looking for one specific item in a morass of hundreds of unsorted lists, and do not want to run multiple add ons to control what a game should natively incorporate.

Ok finally someone understands but I don't think ZoS does because the same thing happens with the crown store or other game systems. Either they are unresponsive at times or have the user having to excessively navigate through various menus more times than needed such as changing champion points or fiddling with features in the crown store.

If a developers job ethic entails creating responsive, fluid, and smart systems. Then this Guild Store system goes against that.
You have to travel to Walmart to do shopping or shop online but they still have a global website for finding goods or purchasing goods.

I don't think things will change though or they would have already. I can't for the life of me figure out what makes this ok or wanted more by players that like it. I even put forth an idea for a centralized city that keeps the system guild based but sets the store fronts in certain areas within a city like a real city.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/274132/city-of-merchants-concept

Deathgiggle · July 2016

Ok, if you want to have guild traders I completely understand! You want a unique game I get that!! Then can we please just get a search system for PS4 that would allow me to save my parameters? Or as someone suggested, a system where I can search all Guild Traders in that area at the same time.(not global)

If I were able to search all the traders in an area, but maybe make me still walk or ride to that particular trader to purchase the item, then I'd be happy with that. Would you anti-world auction house guys/gals be ok with that?

P.S. That Auction Horse poster was funny

Kalifas · July 2016

Grao wrote: »

Guys, even if you fill the first page of General Discussion with threads about this, it is very unlikely to happen. Zenimax is of sound reasoning to keep far away from the concept of a central auction house for ESO because that economic model proves again and again to be too easily to manipulate in every MMO that implements it. I hardly ever agree with ZOS, but on this matter, they are completely right.

AHs allow players that have huge amounts of gold amassed to take over control of the market creating monopolies, forcing prices up or down according to their whims, I know as I've done it in WoW for years with a couple of friends. You don't want that to happen in ESO. I understand the current system has its flaws, it is merciless on the GMs of trading guilds, it demands people to move around to find the better prices and the UI is appalling, but improving it is a far better solution than removing it for a system with even more and worse flaws.

And I am sorry for new players, I understand it is rough for you to join a good trading guild at low levels when your gold income is so limited, but let me tell you something. Pretty much nothing you get at those early levels is worth posting in a trader anyway. For those lucky enough to get one gold rune drop or a extremely rare gold improvement material, you can easily sell it in open chat... You don't need one of the best trading guilds in the game for it.

Maybe you are right that somehow certain players can monopolize the commerce.However I don't think the people who want a centralized store even care if they are somehow at a disadvantage to some other player.

There are more potential buyers than potential crafters or sellers. And in this system the buyer has to shop in a tedious system with horse blinders on to make purchases. Which is evident by the use of add-ons for a simple thing as buying or selling. They buyer's experience is screwed. It's like trying to go to Amazon.com but amazon has 50 different websites instead of one centralized website with categories.

Korah_Eaglecry · July 2016

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

No no no please!!! I am already having a hard time to sell my legendary resins etc. because there are some people selling it extremely cheap in my guild to begin with. Now imagine a wwa? It would ruin the market!

Believe me 5.000 is not a hard amount to make OP. I can do that only by questing by day, do some writs, gather everything, sell what you dont need even to npcs, (NOT quality items though, deconstruct those to get the materials that you will later sell in the guild) and...KUTA = You are set for 3 weeks.

This isnt true at all. It would actually allow you to sell your resins at market value. That might be lower or even higher in an open market where more players are able to not only participate in selling but buying as well. Players trying to undercut to get their goods sold doesnt decide the market value in an AH. They are almost never a majority unless there is a lack of consensus on the market value. Sure theyre bought up first, but they are often bought up by someone playing the market and reselling them at market value. The demand for such things is constant so there is always more people tapping into the AH to buy them up. And this means youll always have a demand and because the undercutting priced items are limited. Your resins will sell, unless youre placing them at the high end of the market value or well above it. Then its your own fault for being greedy.

UltimaJoe777 · July 2016

Articulemort wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Articulemort wrote: »

I'm so sick of these posts.

If you want a auction house, fine, but don't expect prices to drop, in fact I can guarantee everything will go up.

I would personally see to it to buy every single gold upgrade mat on the AH and instantly double the price. And there are dozens apon dozens of players on every platform that will all do the same. You will literally be handing the rich players the economy on a silver platter.

We all thank you for your support.

And no one would buy them for the simple fact you do it to grief, and thus said economy would collapse. GG

And that's why it will never work and shouldn't be put into the game.

It won't work because people can be buttholes huh? Yeah, ok. Guess that means small-scale PvP won't work either because everyone will be sore winners and sore losers...

FYI Griefing is a bannable offense so anyone that purposely does what you said they would just for the sake of hiking the prices is technically griefing.

Korah_Eaglecry · July 2016

Articulemort wrote: »

I'm so sick of these posts.

If you want a auction house, fine, but don't expect prices to drop, in fact I can guarantee everything will go up.

I would personally see to it to buy every single gold upgrade mat on the AH and instantly double the price. And there are dozens apon dozens of players on every platform that will all do the same. You will literally be handing the rich players the economy on a silver platter.

We all thank you for your support.

If you think the rich players dont already have a monopoly on the system already. Youre either in denial or being purposely misleading.