Magika regen/cost

Personofsecrets · July 2016

Asayre wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Does anyone have an equation to show the intersection of where magic regen efficiency = spell cost reduction efficiency when assuming an average spell cost and given multiple variations of spells cast per minute (5 spells per minute, 10 spells per minute, and so on)?

Also, can anyone describe how magic cost reduction diminished returns work and how the magic regeneration stat id determined when calculating several multipliers increasing that stat?

I made a spreadsheet for Thieves Guild. I didn't update it for Dark Brotherhood as it was not particularly enlightening. In most PvE cases it was 100 in Magician, 67 in Arcanist and cost reduction enchantments were better. I made a few quick adjustments to make it usable with Dark Brotherhood but there is still not much to be gained from using it.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Yp90QzJnsL5PNqSgKqDGv9IpYzJajG_tnlslFNPOf9g/edit#gid=727214851

I do agree that magicka sustain feels more difficult in Dark Brotherhood but have not found any problems with orbs, elemental drain or siphon spirit. There was a rumour that elemental drain was not working correctly with puncture but I was unable to replicate the problem.

giving the sheet a look. Thank you

CombatPrayer · July 2016

Articulemort wrote: »

They increased the cost of all skills, which leads to a increase difficulty to sustain.

You either need to be smarter about what your casting, or switch your sets and CPs to a high regen/sustainability set like magnus.

'Cept I got people screaming at me to heal them while I'm scooping up magicka with my res staff after the last round where they all were beaten within an inch of their life and I squandered all my magicka saving their butts. Sure I'll be smarter about how I put out my heals. Maybe when they're lying dead on the floor enough times it will sink in their heads to play smarter. No... wait. Been there. They just blame me for not healing them out of near death repeatedly while they stand in the red zones as if it was safe as their momma's womb.

This morning I had a tank who refused to tank. So I refused to heal. Decided to be the tank instead when the boss kept coming after me and the tank didn't even try to get her attention. Boy that was fun. Conserved lots of heals them but boy were they mad. Maybe next time the tank will be a tank but probably not. He'll just keep blaming the healer for dying or not healing while he chooses to not be a tank. I'll just save my magicka for me. That's a much smarter way to cast.

SublimeSparo · July 2016

Asayre wrote: »

There was a rumour that elemental drain was not working correctly with puncture but I was unable to replicate the problem.

Just curious, how did you go about your testing?
I am led to believe the problem occurs after the following.
1. Tank uses pierce armour
2. Healer applies Drain
3. Tank uses pierce armour
From what i understand Drain will now be down until it is recast, which due to the differing times of the abilities will be about 10-15s (roughly of the top of my head)

I don't have an accurate way to test this on console

Asayre · July 2016

@SublimeSparo

I tried it both by myself and with someone else. I tried
1. Pierce - Drain
2. Drain - Pierce
3. Pierce - Drain - Pierce
4. Drain - Pierce - Drain

In all situations, I still got magicka return from Elemental Drain as reported by CLS.

SublimeSparo · July 2016

Asayre wrote: »

@SublimeSparo

I tried it both by myself and with someone else. I tried
1. Pierce - Drain
2. Drain - Pierce
3. Pierce - Drain - Pierce
4. Drain - Pierce - Drain

In all situations, I still got magicka return from Elemental Drain as reported by CLS.

Cheers for the testing and info, guess it is just the increased cost making people think it's not working.
At least i won't need to remorph pierce to ransack now.

Destyran · July 2016

Thanks again for your wonderful work @Asayre !!