How do you feel about Guild fees?

Cazzy · July 2016

There are lot of trading Guilds out there that request a certain amount to be deposited on a weekly basis. It can be anything from 1k - 10k, but averages at 5,000 gold.

How do you feel about these fees?
Does it depend on how many people are in the Guild?
Do you think the money made from sales should be included?
Is it fair or not to be removed if you don't keep up payments?
Are people misunderstanding the importance of fees?

As always, I'm looking for a civil discussion so let's keep it polite

timidobserver · July 2016

Just don't join those guilds.

Cazzy · July 2016

timidobserver wrote: »

Just don't join those guilds.

You don't? Or I shouldn't? I'm just looking for a discussion on people's thoughts about fees. Whether they think there are alternatives etc.

Nestor · July 2016

Guild charges a fee? I find a new guild.

I don't mind a guild asking for donations, and I in fact do, donate to the guilds I am in. Not on a regular basis, but I probably should give some gold to them this week.I also don't mind raffles, I never win anything, but that's OK, the money is going to a good cause. I also don't mind listing minimums, but I don't like minimum sales targets.

But a forced fee to be part of a guild, no thanks.

Voxicity · July 2016

I've not come across a guild that requires you to specifically deposit gold regularly, but rather just keep up sales so the tax is going to the guild so they can afford the trader.

Which I think is fine. If you're not selling that much then there's not much reason for you to be in a top trading guild, in my opinion. There are plenty of lesser trading guilds which less frequent and less consistent traders could join. And I'm sure those ones would have lower requirements for staying in the guild.

You can still benefit greatly from trading guilds even if they don't require a crazy minimum sales target.

Elsonso · July 2016

If I want to give money to a guild, to help them out or to buy a raffle ticket, that is my decision.

If they tell me I have to do that every week, I find a different guild.

nordsavage · July 2016

In a trade guild a fee is acceptable if you do not meet sales quotas or are just in for social reasons. Large trade guilds require millions of gold to hold on to premium locations. Even mid range trade guilds need hundreds of thousands of gold to hold fair locations.

If it is not a trade guild then that is up to you whether you want to pay or not. It is that persons guild and if they have what you want in a guild then it is what it is. If you do not like it do not join. The owner makes the rules.

CombatPrayer · July 2016

For trading guilds that have to pay anywhere from 500k to a million gold to secure a decent trader on a weekly basis, that is more than fair. Why? Because taxes do not cover the amount it takes to hold the location.

Trader bids have skyrocketed and ZOS will surely do nothing to help this (like add better traders to the maps). I am in one good guild that just lost two good locations and I am going to have to leave it because members don't seem to support it very well and they don't have any mandatory fees or selling amount.

Simply put, if you want to be in a trade guild that gets good sellers, then you might WANT to pay. If they only get crappy locations in the outskirts of nowhere, don't bother. But for the good ones where there is a good flow of traffic those chose millions. Tax doesn't cover it.

timidobserver · July 2016

Cazzy wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Just don't join those guilds.

You don't? Or I shouldn't? I'm just looking for a discussion on people's thoughts about fees. Whether they think there are alternatives etc.

Anyone that has an issue with the fees shouldn't.

Waseem · July 2016

i dont know about consoles economy but i find it unnecessary on PC. and i have been in almost all wrothgar trading guild without ever feeling a need to deposit anything for the guild, it could be that my sales were alot weekly (top50?) in a 500 people guild
also, there is a fee that goes to guild bank/leader every time you sell anything, so 500 players with 30 selling slots and a guild leader who kicks every1 inactive for 3-7 days.. it covers everything the guild could ever need for next good 10 years
so IMO, the fee is unnecessary

EternalEther · July 2016

The fees can be annoying but guild traders in prime locations can cost literally millions of gold. My guild only has a 1000 gold per week in sales quota so it's not that hard to meet. 2 or three pieces of training gear for research covers it. Also, like many other guilds, mine holds raffles, so if you can't meet the sales quota you can just buy a ticket.

It can seem a little overwhelming to a newer player, but once you figure out what sells, it's not that bad. If I were in a guild that demanded 10K per week, I'm sure I'd be singing a different tune.

I think there should be some flexibility in meeting the weekly requirement. As an example, I recently sold a motif for 16K. The next week I didn't sell anything and I mistakenly forgot to buy some raffle tickets. I got a warning for that. I think looking at the average sales over 2 or 3 weeks before you kick someone would be fair. That 16K motif shouldn't cover 16 weeks, but I don't think it unreasonable that it covers 2.

I don't think a lot of people appreciate the hassles our GMs have to go through in order to find and maintain a guild trader. The overall stress involved, the uncertainty of your bids, and the waking up at odd hours. The least I can do is chip in some gold to help cover the cost.

Curtdogg47 · July 2016

I think the fees are very reasonable at 5K. I am also in a trade guild that ask for10K if you can pay it but only charges 5K. As I am someone who does not miss his weekly dues it is very fair that people who don't pay lose their ability to sale or get removed. Both guilds I am in currently are awesome. They get traders in popular areas each week. I make enough gold that I never really miss the weekly dues. The dues secure the trader and if you want a good location for a trader its going to cost big amounts of gold to secure it each week. So the fees are very important each week.
I have never run a guild but I'm really thankful for the hard work and time all guild leaders put in each week in securing a trader every week.

Sunburnt_Penguin · July 2016

Given the current cost of Guild Traders (on PS4/EU anyway) the fees are needed to ensure they get a decent spot. If they don't, a lot of people then leave and those that stay have subpar sales. I don't mind paying 5k each a week to help them out, I'm making much more than that in sales as it is anyway.

For every 100k sales they take 3.5k in taxes and under the current system it's difficult to know how much a Guild has received in taxes and who they're attributed to. So under the current system the taxes just go towards the pool of donations.

I understand why they have the removal policy in the first place. I think that if they didn't then most people wouldn't regularly donate, it would limit the Guild from getting a decent location and therefore more members. I think a zero tolerance is unfair without a message but missing a week or two is acceptable because people simply forget. If someone is in and just never donates then it's unfair on the other members who do spend their own gold.

I think donations are important. 500 members donating 5k each equals 2.5mill gold in to the bank, it sounds like a lot but you'll struggle to get a decent spot for that amount on my server. If you throw in weekly taxes then it probably covers it. Obviously the owner may be pocketing some of it through either an average spot every other week and/or the excess each week of a top spot but I don't see any issues with that.

Divinius · July 2016

I can't speak for the situation on consoles and other servers, but on PC-NA, if your guild has to charge a mandatory fee, they are probably doing something wrong.

I'm in two large trade guilds that both have vendors in prime spots every week, and neither of them charges a fee or has minimum sales requirements. Sure, they accept donations and run raffles and auctions (which I do partake in) to raise money, but it's not required.

IMO, a good trade guild can maintain a prime trader location funded solely by sales and the voluntary contributions of its members.

Serjustin19 · July 2016

I'm to poor

but if a guild asks me to. Then I'll try do my best. But is it possible to pay with those purple glyths or golden crafting things? Will this be fair payment since I actually really poor. 1,000 gold currently.

Nice question though.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · July 2016

I refuse to join guilds like that. I have left several guilds after they tried to implement mandatory dues.

drakhan2002_ESO · July 2016

I am in a guild that encourages donations (but no penalty if you do not donate), but at least they offer something in return - a raffle. And the more people that donate that week, the better prizes and the more tiers of prizes. As an added incentive, they have an early bird raffle for those who donate a few days before the drawing...and it's a Kuta (every week). The donation is 1,000 gold per entry and you can enter as many times as you want.

I am sure it is all managed through an addon of some kind. The nice thing about this is the guild takes in way more money than the prizes are ever worth each week. Hence the huge amount of gold in the guild bank.

llSRRll · July 2016

I have two guilds that I pay 5k per week to and dont mind. They always have prime traders in the best cities so sales are much higher than my free ones/donation guilds.

Mady · July 2016

My trading guild has a trader in craglorn. If I don't sell 10k per week I have to donate 5k-10k.
Which I would do, because it's worth it (to have a craglorn trader). But I never had to donate, because it's easy to sell stuff for 10k.

xilfxlegion · July 2016

Cazzy wrote: »

There are lot of trading Guilds out there that request a certain amount to be deposited on a weekly basis. It can be anything from 1k - 10k, but averages at 5,000 gold.

How do you feel about these fees?
Does it depend on how many people are in the Guild?
Do you think the money made from sales should be included?
Is it fair or not to be removed if you don't keep up payments?
Are people misunderstanding the importance of fees?

As always, I'm looking for a civil discussion so let's keep it polite

i am in four trading guilds. 2 of them charge 5k per week and the other 2 charge 3k per week. i accepted these terms when i joined said guilds. i give each guild 10k per week and participate in raffles also. but i easily make more than ten times that per week ( sometimes over night ) so it is well worth the 40k i shell out each week.

altemriel · July 2016

Cazzy wrote: »

There are lot of trading Guilds out there that request a certain amount to be deposited on a weekly basis. It can be anything from 1k - 10k, but averages at 5,000 gold.

How do you feel about these fees?
Does it depend on how many people are in the Guild?
Do you think the money made from sales should be included?
Is it fair or not to be removed if you don't keep up payments?
Are people misunderstanding the importance of fees?

As always, I'm looking for a civil discussion so let's keep it polite

screw those guilds!!

if they can not make enough gold on voluntary donations and guild traders, it is not a good guild. fortunatelly all my 5 guilds that I am member of do not require that non-sense

Forestd16b14_ESO · July 2016

Don't join if any guild be trader pvp pve or something charges for anythinv you tell em to sod off and leave them.

Gulkrim-mur · July 2016

Cazzy wrote: »

There are lot of trading Guilds out there that request a certain amount to be deposited on a weekly basis. It can be anything from 1k - 10k, but averages at 5,000 gold.

How do you feel about these fees?
Does it depend on how many people are in the Guild?
Do you think the money made from sales should be included?
Is it fair or not to be removed if you don't keep up payments?
Are people misunderstanding the importance of fees?

As always, I'm looking for a civil discussion so let's keep it polite

If you want to be in a trade guild and have your guild merchant in a hot spot. Its guna cost the guild money to bid and compete for the spot.

Its also not fair if some people in the guild are paying and others are not. The person not paying makes no effort to help the guild claim the trader then puts his gear for sale and makes money.

It can really pay off and make you your money and the bigger the guild and the more people paying means lower weekly fee. A merchant in a hot area could easily be bid up to a million gold.

So if you wanna display your high end level gear thats worth alot of money, say in total 50k. You mine as well pay that 5k week fee for a good window everyone looks at.

I have pvp guilds that do that too. The money is used for gear and such to equip everyone well. Its a team pooo effort to be stronger or richer either way.

FortheloveofKrist · July 2016

Nestor wrote: »

Guild charges a fee? I find a new guild.

I don't mind a guild asking for donations, and I in fact do, donate to the guilds I am in. Not on a regular basis, but I probably should give some gold to them this week.I also don't mind raffles, I never win anything, but that's OK, the money is going to a good cause. I also don't mind listing minimums, but I don't like minimum sales targets.

But a forced fee to be part of a guild, no thanks.

It's a choice. You aren't forced. For some of us it's a no-brainer. Pay 25k a week in fees to always have 5 stalls in good locations and pull in 200k-550k a week is a no-brainer.

The expense is reasonable considering the net revenue.

Qbiken · July 2016

Some trading guilds have : Sell for x amount/week or donate x amount. But that is a different thing compared to what OP´s subjects about

Deathgiggle · July 2016

Do you think that once text chat is enabled on PS4 that players will just sell in chat instead of going through a guild trader? I understand we will be able to link items, and in other games many people sold high end items via the chat box instead of the auction house.

If the chat is zone wide, then I could see it being a great tool to advertise that rare item you want to sell.

NeillMcAttack · July 2016

The thing about supporting those kinds of guilds IMO is that the premise is self defeating! On PS4 EU it was one person that came from PC with lots of gold that set up some of the first big trade guilds and demanded 5k donations weekly. Because of this the competition for spots grew fast and exponentially. Meaning that because the cost of spots increased so quick that so did the demand for donations, and so on and so forth. Now, while many of the bigger guilds still demand the outrageous sum of 5k weekly, during what is essentially a recession (due to lower player pops), you will find that many are far more lenient towards a reduction in the amount donated.

For me, having been in many of the top trade guilds since release (bar any that were set up by the indidual I eluded to), I find that if I'm not keeping up my listings then I just stop donating anything and let them kick me. I mean, all I have to do is stand in deshaan centre for ten minutes and I get an inv to a guild anyway! Saying that, I've been keeping up fairly tame but consistent, relative to me sales, donations in my current and only trade guild who haven't felt the need to bother me with warnings, so I'm fairly content.

phreatophile · July 2016

Asking for donations is cool. Demands aren't.

I'm in one that does a raffle each week with three tiers of prizes based on 1K, 3K, and 5K entries. That provides a value, at least a perceived value, for the money.

A guild requiring dues better keep a trader in an Alliance Capital or Rwal'kha or they aren't worth it.

Abeille · July 2016

My two trading guilds have a minimum sales requisite (or donate to the guild bank if you do not reach the requisite). I can't say that I am super thrilled about that, I get really anxious when my motifs are not selling well, when I have a lot of stuff to do in real life and have no time to farm stuff to sell in the guild stores, or when my internet is acting up so badly that I spend a few days without being able to stay logged in long enough to go to a bank. But I understand the need for having the requisites. Besides, I trust my guild leaders.

Danksta · July 2016

The guild that I'm in that gets a trader on a somewhat regular basis requires you to deposit 5k gold if you want to trade. If you don't want to trade then you just don't deposit. Also, the person with the most gold deposited over the course of a week gets a bunch of motifs (usually about 1 for every 5k deposited). I almost always deposit more than 5k and not enough that I think I'll get the motifs. Somehow I do pretty well as far as gold goes, so the 10k+ I deposit weekly is made up tenfold, even on a slower week.

FortheloveofKrist · July 2016

Deathgiggle wrote: »

Do you think that once text chat is enabled on PS4 that players will just sell in chat instead of going through a guild trader? I understand we will be able to link items, and in other games many people sold high end items via the chat box instead of the auction house.

If the chat is zone wide, then I could see it being a great tool to advertise that rare item you want to sell.

If you ever played on PC before console launch, you'll realize that zone chat is not a great place to sell (regularly).

Just saying.