Elegant set on magicka sorcerer and overload.

Waseem · July 2016

i have read in a guild chat that the elegant set is going to be nerfed when taking into account dual wield passive combined with sorcerer's overload, is that true or just a rumor?

to further explain, if you use dual maces, or mix or dual swords or daggers or axes, you'll have the exact same DPS?
the dual wield passives will become useless for non-melee attacks ( such as sorcerer's overload magic )

AGrz5585 · July 2016

There is like one person on the forums whining about this set.

I don't see it getting nerfed.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · July 2016

overload is a PITA to use. There are so many more important fixes to worry about than curbing a niche build like this.

Ch4mpTW · July 2016

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

overload is a PITA to use. There are so many more important fixes to worry about than curbing a niche build like this.

Very true. If ZOS were to focus on reducing the performance of Sorcs even further, than focusing on getting the game to run bug-free and amoothly? Then I think that would be the straw that broke the camel's back for me (in terms of my patience with the company).

Lieblingsjunge · July 2016

Doubt it.

Baconfat79 · July 2016

In all honesty, it does need an adjustment. 20% extra damage on Overload light attacks is just insane.

mistermutiny89 · July 2016

Just don't let it affect my magicka dk Lightning staff build in Pvp and I'm happy.

But seriously, it is a niche build and it's not like overload is the most accurate ability in Pvp anyway. The only time you'll get killed by it there is when you are not paying attention.

KochDerDamonen · July 2016

You're right, we do need to make a stamina overload morph

ParaNostram · July 2016

mistermutiny89 wrote: »

Just don't let it affect my magicka dk Lightning staff build in Pvp and I'm happy.

But seriously, it is a niche build and it's not like overload is the most accurate ability in Pvp anyway. The only time you'll get killed by it there is when you are not paying attention.

That... Actually sounds really freakin' cool.

acw37162 · July 2016

I have no idea but that sounds like a change ZOS would make if they thought DW swords were being used in a manner other then intended.

mistermutiny89 · July 2016

ParaNostram wrote: »

mistermutiny89 wrote: »

Just don't let it affect my magicka dk Lightning staff build in Pvp and I'm happy.

But seriously, it is a niche build and it's not like overload is the most accurate ability in Pvp anyway. The only time you'll get killed by it there is when you are not paying attention.

That... Actually sounds really freakin' cool.

It hits for around 4K per tick on the average player and there's no dodging it!

It's really good when zergs are stacked close together too because of the aoe passive, that with the minor maim debuff from lightning procs. I'm having heaps of fun with it.

Waseem · July 2016

so using dual swords as sorcerer overload gives more DPS than using dual daggers/maces?(same trait,quality etc)
when was the last time some1 ever tested that?

Dracane · July 2016

Waseem wrote: »

so using dual swords as sorcerer overload gives more DPS than using dual daggers/maces?(same trait,quality etc)
when was the last time some1 ever tested that?

Why would a magicka build use maces ? It offers you no benefits.
Magicka builds always run dual sword.

And I myself don't see this set getting nerfed. I am using this set for my base staff attacks. I tried it on overload once and I didn't recognize a difference, was not impressive. But I really like it for heavy staff attacks,

Makkir · July 2016

Dracane wrote: »

Waseem wrote: »

so using dual swords as sorcerer overload gives more DPS than using dual daggers/maces?(same trait,quality etc)
when was the last time some1 ever tested that?

Why would a magicka build use maces ? It offers you no benefits.
Magicka builds always run dual sword.

And I myself don't see this set getting nerfed. I am using this set for my base staff attacks. I tried it on overload once and I didn't recognize a difference, was not impressive. But I really like it for heavy staff attacks,

Yep, you can also buff your light/hvy staff attacks with CP tree

Phinix1 · July 2016

After literally every top magicka DPS in ESO spends all their gold tempers on dual swords for more spell power, ZOS is going to come in and take away something that has worked for the last year(s)?

I kinda doubt it. Would have to see a green post to confirm it else it is mere rumor and speculation.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno may know.

Emma_Overload · July 2016

Dracane wrote: »

Waseem wrote: »

so using dual swords as sorcerer overload gives more DPS than using dual daggers/maces?(same trait,quality etc)
when was the last time some1 ever tested that?

Why would a magicka build use maces ? It offers you no benefits.
Magicka builds always run dual sword.

And I myself don't see this set getting nerfed. I am using this set for my base staff attacks. I tried it on overload once and I didn't recognize a difference, was not impressive. But I really like it for heavy staff attacks,

Dual swords no longer offer any spell damage benefit over dual maces or daggers or axes. The passive was nerfed months ago, and there was a patch note about it. Now you only get the extra spell damage from equipping the off hand weapon, that's it.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · July 2016

Molten Armaments + 100 points in Staff Expert + Elegant = one happy Magicka Dragon Knight.

Phinix1 · July 2016

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Dual swords no longer offer any spell damage benefit over dual maces or daggers or axes. The passive was nerfed months ago, and there was a patch note about it. Now you only get the extra spell damage from equipping the off hand weapon, that's it.

Twin Blade & Blunt: Each sword increases your damage by 2.5%

That is the reason people use swords for magicka builds, and why the other weapon choices are pointless for this purpose. I really can't see them changing this after it has been baked into so many people's builds for so long.

hrothbern · July 2016

Being a newbie Sorc since a couple of weeks...

I noticed on PTS that the Storm Calling passive "Energized" does NOT increase your Overload Attacks with 5%.
The Damage of Overload is called Shock Damage.
Energized tooltip states 5% increase of Physical and Shock Damage.

Is that on live also ?

Has that always been so ?

Waseem · July 2016

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Waseem wrote: »

so using dual swords as sorcerer overload gives more DPS than using dual daggers/maces?(same trait,quality etc)
when was the last time some1 ever tested that?

Why would a magicka build use maces ? It offers you no benefits.
Magicka builds always run dual sword.

And I myself don't see this set getting nerfed. I am using this set for my base staff attacks. I tried it on overload once and I didn't recognize a difference, was not impressive. But I really like it for heavy staff attacks,

Dual swords no longer offer any spell damage benefit over dual maces or daggers or axes. The passive was nerfed months ago, and there was a patch note about it. Now you only get the extra spell damage from equipping the off hand weapon, that's it.

you mean to say that the first sword on a magicka sorcerer will give spell damage, while the second sword will be useless and can be replaced with a mace/dagger/axe and give exactly same DPS?

Oreyn_Bearclaw · July 2016

This is not an issue with the set, it is an issue with the DW passives not working correctly. My guess is that it will eventually get fixed and all the sharpened axes and maces out there will become decon fodder. Which is exactly why I am not spending 100k+ on one. Haha. I got 2 swords, but one is in defending. My overload still hits like a truck.

In terms of overload, it is making a come back. It is still ridiculous on short fights and this is definitely BIS gear in VMA. There are some new lighting staff non-spammable builds out there from @hedna123b14_ESO that are really cool. Basically you overload any time its true single target, but swap to a staff when there is even one add present, and execute when the boss is low on health. This allows you to effectively spreed a full overload through a 7-8 minute fight. This works onevery vet trial fight except Manti. This makes the combo of Elegant and Infallible VERY viable in all the new content like VSO and VMOL.

Edit: I think that build I mentioned has actually gone to soul assault for the ult, but what I said does work.

Izaki · July 2016

Baconfat79 wrote: »

In all honesty, it does need an adjustment. 20% extra damage on Overload light attacks is just insane.

Kinda the whole point of the set though so if you nerf it what's the point of using it ? Only sorcs and DK's benefit from it anyway

Waseem · July 2016

guys, this post is mostly regarding the subject of using dual swords or 1 sword 1 mace or dual maces and the effect on DPS.
Elegant set is just an example, it could be dual torug swords/maces etc.

this passive, still giving a buff to magic attacks? are you sure?

IcyDeadPeople · July 2016

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Baconfat79 wrote: »

In all honesty, it does need an adjustment. 20% extra damage on Overload light attacks is just insane.

Kinda the whole point of the set though so if you nerf it what's the point of using it ? Only sorcs and DK's benefit from it anyway

It boosts all your heavy and light attack damage by 20%, this is pretty nice for any class since these attacks don't cost any resources. I've seen some viable, interesting heavy attack builds for nightblade and templar as well. DK is the perfect fit because of Molten Armaments.

Perhaps the boost to sorc ultimate was unintended.

Waseem · July 2016

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Baconfat79 wrote: »

In all honesty, it does need an adjustment. 20% extra damage on Overload light attacks is just insane.

Kinda the whole point of the set though so if you nerf it what's the point of using it ? Only sorcs and DK's benefit from it anyway

It boosts all your heavy and light attack damage by 20%, this is pretty nice for any class since these attacks don't cost any resources.

Perhaps the boost to sorc ultimate may have been unintended.

sorcerer's ultimate (overload) have light and heavy attacks aswell... AoE and "insert pokemon skill of lightning balls here"

hedna123b14_ESO · July 2016

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

This is not an issue with the set, it is an issue with the DW passives not working correctly. My guess is that it will eventually get fixed and all the sharpened axes and maces out there will become decon fodder. Which is exactly why I am not spending 100k+ on one. Haha. I got 2 swords, but one is in defending. My overload still hits like a truck.

In terms of overload, it is making a come back. It is still ridiculous on short fights and this is definitely BIS gear in VMA. There are some new lighting staff non-spammable builds out there from @hedna123b14_ESO that are really cool. Basically you overload any time its true single target, but swap to a staff when there is even one add present, and execute when the boss is low on health. This allows you to effectively spreed a full overload through a 7-8 minute fight. This works onevery vet trial fight except Manti. This makes the combo of Elegant and Infallible VERY viable in all the new content like VSO and VMOL.

Edit: I think that build I mentioned has actually gone to soul assault for the ult, but what I said does work.

Hey I have some unfortunate news...it seems they fixed Soul assault as of this monday...