What's the deal with Mutagen?

GrumpyDuckling · July 2016

It's not targeting my weak group members who need the heal and cleanse, but rather it's targeting people who have full health bars. Did I miss something in patch notes somewhere?

aidenmoore · July 2016

My Rapid Regeneration feels wonky as well. It does not apply to those that does not have the buff but keep reapplying to those that does. I think they broke that skill.

Aemon_Isklexi · July 2016

The targeting on mutagen/rapid regen is broken. I've taken it off the bars on all of my healers. If I can't target the heal myself, it needs to have competent and reliable auto-targeting. Until it's fixed, the skill is practically useless.

Dracane · July 2016

Mutagen does not work like this, it's even better than that

the tooltip is a bit weird.

So you apply mutagen to your ally. It will heal him over time right ? When mutagen is active on him and he is at 20% health or lower, the heal tick will then end and give the burstheal that you can see on the tooltip. Mutagen's effect has been drained now and you have to reapply it again in order for it to be able to heal again.

See this abilitiy as an emergency heal that you don't need to maintain.
20% is a very meaningless limit. You rarely fall below 20%. You either stay above, or you probably die. (this is for pve)
It's better to not even let your allies get that low and the other morph of this ability helps with that,

GrumpyDuckling · July 2016

Aemon_Isklexi wrote: »

The targeting on mutagen/rapid regen is broken. I've taken it off the bars on all of my healers. If I can't target the heal myself, it needs to have competent and reliable auto-targeting. Until it's fixed, the skill is practically useless.

Any idea if ZOS knows that it's broken, or if there is a planned fix?

Aemon_Isklexi · July 2016

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Any idea if ZOS knows that it's broken, or if there is a planned fix?

It's been mentioned a few times on the forums, so they probably know. The devs aren't in the habit of giving time estimates on fixes (or even posting at all) on the forums.

Armitas · July 2016

I think it goes to people without mutagen/RR first, rather than who needs it. I think mutagen should use smart healing first, and RR should go to whoever doesn't already have it on.

Iove · July 2016

Just got back to the game to find they broke this skill... That sucks!!!

Did a random dungeon and my Mutagen refused to go on a player who was BOTH low health AND had no mutagen on him, but instead as I spammed the ability it just kept hitting the other 2 people at full health who already had i active on them!

Autolycus · July 2016

Aemon_Isklexi wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Any idea if ZOS knows that it's broken, or if there is a planned fix?

It's been mentioned a few times on the forums, so they probably know. The devs aren't in the habit of giving time estimates on fixes (or even posting at all) on the forums.

In order to provide an ETA for a fix, they'd have to acknowledge that it's broken. As far as I know, this is not what they believe, unless maybe you've seen or heard them admit it to be an issue?

I don't see them "fixing" or "changing" it tbh. It's simply not a priority, and it's a surefire way to proc SPC (which is BiS for healers). Despite what others may think, Mutagen can be incredibly useful. It just needs to be used situationally and one must know the appropriate time for it. One must also be comfortable with spamming it more than twice when it needs to be refreshed.

On a related note, as a templar healer, just ignore Mutagen outright because Purify is 10x better.

Armitas · July 2016

Another thing I noticed with RR is that it is not taking nirn damage into account. So if I cast it and switch to a sword the heal is the same for a nirn sword and a sharpened sword. It doesn't appear to be taking nirn into its heal equation that or its missing the entire weapon power in its equation.

Oakmontowls_ESO · July 2016

Armitas wrote: »

Another thing I noticed with RR is that it is not taking nirn damage into account. So if I cast it and switch to a sword the heal is the same for a nirn sword and a sharpened sword. It doesn't appear to be taking nirn into its heal equation that or its missing the entire weapon power in its equation.

It should take the damage from the active weapon.

Toc de Malsvi · July 2016

Iove wrote: »

Just got back to the game to find they broke this skill... That sucks!!!

Did a random dungeon and my Mutagen refused to go on a player who was BOTH low health AND had no mutagen on him, but instead as I spammed the ability it just kept hitting the other 2 people at full health who already had i active on them!

I've had this happen in pvp where I casted 7 times and it went to the same 2 people and never went to the guy who was low and needed a heal. I just don't bother slotting it.

Omgwtfbbq321 · July 2016

Wouldn't supprise me if they did this while trying to fee up reseources. less checks here, less lag there... Much like how Rapids no longer searches for close players to effect around you.

Armitas · July 2016

I figured it out. Rapid regen sticks with the resto staffs weapon power no matter what you switch too. So it never calculates any spell power from nirn, or the power from the weapon you are on.

TechnoDreamVision · August 2016

I dropped it for Combat Prayer or Steadfast Ward. Both of them work great.