Strongest Healing Build In This Meta - a parting gift

Zheg · July 2016

Xsorus wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

I still log in once in a while so I haven't left the game yet (... damn you delayed CU beta), and this isn't a goodbye thread. Since VE is no longer running competitively, there's no more need for trade secrets. I gift to the community the strongest group heal build for this meta, may you run amok with it and cause wrobel balancing headaches and Fengrush many rants on his stream. I prefer templar because that's been my go-to since forever, but believe it or not any class can run this build.

Head - Combat Physician/Light/Infused/Tri-Stat
Shoulder - Molag Kena/Medium/Impen/Magicka
Chest - Kag's Hope/Heavy/Impen/Tri-Stat
Gloves - Combat Physician/Light/(Well-Fitted/Divines)/Magicka
Waist - Combat Physician/Light/(Well-Fitted/Divines)/Magicka
Legs - Combat Physician/Light/Infused/Tri-Stat
Boots - Combat Physician/Light/(Well-Fitted/Divines)/Magicka

Neck - Willpower/Arcane/Spell Dmg
Ring - Willpower/Arcane/Spell Dmg
Ring - Willpower/Arcane/Mag Recov

Weapon 1 - Resto Staff - Kag's Hope/Precise (NOT powered)
Weapon 2 - 2H Sword or S&B - Kag's Hope/Precise (Impen on Shield)

CP - this should be basic and obvious for a healer, make sure you go 100 into bastion
Mundus - Atronach (Thief if you can manage your Magicka)
Race - Argonian (for next patch), Imperial, then Altmer/Breton
Stats - have at least 26k hp, rest goes to magicka
Potion - Spell Power/Spell Crit/Magicka potions

Bar 1 - Healing Ward -- Healing Springs -- Rapid Regen -- Harness Magicka -- Elusive Mist **Reviving Barrier**
Bar 2 - Honor the Dead -- Extended Ritual -- Channeled Focus -- Repentence -- Jesus Beam/Forward Momentum/Blazing Spears **Reviving Barrier**

Why is this the best healing build in pvp right now? Two reasons:
With Fasalla's and the cornucopia of heal debuffs, pure heals is no longer optimal in most fights. You still need them, but they don't go as far. Heals + Shields ... that's where it's at. Healing Ward > Breath/HtD in many cases. If you can have a 2nd healer focusing on burst heals while you run combat physician, that's optimal.

Behind door number 2, combat physician applies it's CD per person, not per effect. You put rapid regen on someone, they will get a 5.1k shield (if you commit to 100 in bastion) as soon as they start taking damage and get it again after 6 seconds. One person in this can keep the entire group in free shields (no crit hits, 5.1k is equal to a weak harness magicka) every 6 seconds. Every tick of your purify or healing springs that crits also gives them a shield. Since you can have both rapid regen and mutagen apply to someone, have other people in group re-morph to mutagen so nothing ever overwrites your rapid regen HoT. Whoever is lucky enough to be hit by your 19.5k barrier will also get the HoT from that for 30 seconds.

Enjoy, my healer is retired. I will run malubeth and the healing morph of jesus beam for my remaining days to generate as many hate tells as possible.

Here is an honest question for you

Does the CD on this set apply to multiple people? What i'm saying is could multiple healers run this set and apply multiple stacking shields?

My healers rebelled at the thought of pve when i proposed this, we never tested multiple sets. Id assume no, but cannot confirm.

Mako1132 · July 2016

Ishammael wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

I'm just tired of all the fighting. We're all losing guildies and friends by the week. PvP is struggling to stay afloat, and this is how people who should be community leaders are behaving. We need to be working together to elevate all remotely organized play styles and groups because quite frankly pug lyfe isn't going to secure long term players, and this political epeen *** show isn't going to draw new players into organized and social play.

This is the root issue.

The player mindset of Cyro PvP is so diametrically opposed its a wonder anybody even plays.
1. View 1: Promised large scale pvp, I want to play with a group and friends
2. View 2: Zerging POS, gimme tools to break big groups Rambo 3 style (aka all by myself). Oh yeah -- Zergs cause lag

Both of these are correct. Both of these are toxic. The logical extreme of each is completely ridiculous.

The fault is ZOS for failing to recognize, much less talk about, how they intend to promote all styles of play while protecting players from each other.

Toxic players mostly. ZOS has to bring back the mechanics that allowed players to fight outnumbered. Stuff like this wasn't an issue until those were removed and large groups became near invincible.

As long as we're talking about toxic things why don't we mention this. How many times as a raid lead did I tell my group to ignore Fengrush and leave him alone let him go 1vX or something. Once we find a group our size to fight what do you know? Fengrush behind us trying to spam wrecking blow on the healers. So if I zerg you, you're going to whine and *** and moan on stream and on the forums that I'm ruining the game, yet at the same time you want to participate. You want to make it impossible for these groups to leave you to the type of PvP you want to play. That's why you're a joke. You're the whiniest, bitchiest zerg surfer in the game. Next time there's a raid farming a scroll in a resource tower, you can go somewhere else and pvp the way you want to pvp instead of going to the farm and bitching the entire time that you can't kill them with 3 people. If that's the type of thing you like to do, fight larger numbers like that, go ahead and have fun, but you didn't look like you were having fun that day when you weren't going against complete randoms like in the video you linked.

Xsorus · July 2016

Zheg wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

I still log in once in a while so I haven't left the game yet (... damn you delayed CU beta), and this isn't a goodbye thread. Since VE is no longer running competitively, there's no more need for trade secrets. I gift to the community the strongest group heal build for this meta, may you run amok with it and cause wrobel balancing headaches and Fengrush many rants on his stream. I prefer templar because that's been my go-to since forever, but believe it or not any class can run this build.

Head - Combat Physician/Light/Infused/Tri-Stat
Shoulder - Molag Kena/Medium/Impen/Magicka
Chest - Kag's Hope/Heavy/Impen/Tri-Stat
Gloves - Combat Physician/Light/(Well-Fitted/Divines)/Magicka
Waist - Combat Physician/Light/(Well-Fitted/Divines)/Magicka
Legs - Combat Physician/Light/Infused/Tri-Stat
Boots - Combat Physician/Light/(Well-Fitted/Divines)/Magicka

Neck - Willpower/Arcane/Spell Dmg
Ring - Willpower/Arcane/Spell Dmg
Ring - Willpower/Arcane/Mag Recov

Weapon 1 - Resto Staff - Kag's Hope/Precise (NOT powered)
Weapon 2 - 2H Sword or S&B - Kag's Hope/Precise (Impen on Shield)

CP - this should be basic and obvious for a healer, make sure you go 100 into bastion
Mundus - Atronach (Thief if you can manage your Magicka)
Race - Argonian (for next patch), Imperial, then Altmer/Breton
Stats - have at least 26k hp, rest goes to magicka
Potion - Spell Power/Spell Crit/Magicka potions

Bar 1 - Healing Ward -- Healing Springs -- Rapid Regen -- Harness Magicka -- Elusive Mist **Reviving Barrier**
Bar 2 - Honor the Dead -- Extended Ritual -- Channeled Focus -- Repentence -- Jesus Beam/Forward Momentum/Blazing Spears **Reviving Barrier**

Why is this the best healing build in pvp right now? Two reasons:
With Fasalla's and the cornucopia of heal debuffs, pure heals is no longer optimal in most fights. You still need them, but they don't go as far. Heals + Shields ... that's where it's at. Healing Ward > Breath/HtD in many cases. If you can have a 2nd healer focusing on burst heals while you run combat physician, that's optimal.

Behind door number 2, combat physician applies it's CD per person, not per effect. You put rapid regen on someone, they will get a 5.1k shield (if you commit to 100 in bastion) as soon as they start taking damage and get it again after 6 seconds. One person in this can keep the entire group in free shields (no crit hits, 5.1k is equal to a weak harness magicka) every 6 seconds. Every tick of your purify or healing springs that crits also gives them a shield. Since you can have both rapid regen and mutagen apply to someone, have other people in group re-morph to mutagen so nothing ever overwrites your rapid regen HoT. Whoever is lucky enough to be hit by your 19.5k barrier will also get the HoT from that for 30 seconds.

Enjoy, my healer is retired. I will run malubeth and the healing morph of jesus beam for my remaining days to generate as many hate tells as possible.

Here is an honest question for you

Does the CD on this set apply to multiple people? What i'm saying is could multiple healers run this set and apply multiple stacking shields?

My healers rebelled at the thought of pve when i proposed this, we never tested multiple sets. Id assume no, but cannot confirm.

Ok that's what I was curious about.

KenaPKK · July 2016

PrinceFabious wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Nailed it ^
You only see like 3 prox det ball groups these days. Hopefully the rest leave the game too but yea.. Not all of us like to play groups where we can dedicate a person for everyrole lololol

Anyone that knows me in game knows I detest Zerg guilds. I think it inhibits player growth, and that's how you end up with palatines and legates and warlords even that can't make it past 1 ulti when they are caught without their groups. That being said, major guilds leaving the game is not a healthy sign or something any mature player would applaud. Unless your idea of fun and healthy AvA is the entire DC faction pugging at ales/bleakers/chal, 50 people with 2 siege up.

I think at some point we all need to grow up and acknowledge/respect that different people play for different reasons and have fun in different ways. The way some people ostracize other playstyles and spew so much salt is not good for the community or for the game.

Also...lol.You play in Krothas pug zerg of malubeth tanks, and you're calling other guilds out on respectability and skill? Man some people are so oblivious.

Arent you the malubeth templar that holds block?

Watch past broadcasts..we dont play more than 12. We barely make it past 8. Just because 90% of the group is composed of burly Orc DKs doesnt mean we are a zerg
Just because youve died to a bunch of DKs also doesnt mean "OMG KROTHA IS ZERGING" lololok
Like I said, watch past broadcasts or else...

BACK TO THE SHADOWS

"Man some people are so oblivious"

Uh. No. Quite the opposite actually. Do not talk down to Arya.

PrinceFabious · July 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Nailed it ^
You only see like 3 prox det ball groups these days. Hopefully the rest leave the game too but yea.. Not all of us like to play groups where we can dedicate a person for everyrole lololol

Anyone that knows me in game knows I detest Zerg guilds. I think it inhibits player growth, and that's how you end up with palatines and legates and warlords even that can't make it past 1 ulti when they are caught without their groups. That being said, major guilds leaving the game is not a healthy sign or something any mature player would applaud. Unless your idea of fun and healthy AvA is the entire DC faction pugging at ales/bleakers/chal, 50 people with 2 siege up.

I think at some point we all need to grow up and acknowledge/respect that different people play for different reasons and have fun in different ways. The way some people ostracize other playstyles and spew so much salt is not good for the community or for the game.

Also...lol.You play in Krothas pug zerg of malubeth tanks, and you're calling other guilds out on respectability and skill? Man some people are so oblivious.

Arent you the malubeth templar that holds block?

Watch past broadcasts..we dont play more than 12. We barely make it past 8. Just because 90% of the group is composed of burly Orc DKs doesnt mean we are a zerg
Just because youve died to a bunch of DKs also doesnt mean "OMG KROTHA IS ZERGING" lololok
Like I said, watch past broadcasts or else...

BACK TO THE SHADOWS

"Man some people are so oblivious"

Uh. No. Quite the opposite actually. Do not talk down to Arya.

If you watch the past broadcasts you would have sat down and shut the hell up. If you reevaluated yourself and your malubeth build before calling people out you would have sat down and shut the hell up.
Shut the hell up.

Do not talk at all, Kena

Edit: you know whats funny, I stopped talking in this thread after YOU posted about how we should stop fighting eachother and focus on ESOs problems. But no..you guys had to be hypocritical. I had to nuke you two real quick. Sorry

Sotha_Sil · July 2016

Definitely not a build I'd suggest for anyone running PVP these days in any format (1vX, small squads, zergs..). This set is plainly useless compared to transmutation and the build you suggest definitely lacks resistance (no heavy armor ?) : you will melt in 1 sec.

The fact you don't even mention dunmer as a viable race ( strong magicka bonus + stamina bonus + fire resist (vampire anyone) ?) really makes me doubt your experience as a healer in those situations...

No offense really, but I'd suggest this instead for zerging :

5*Transmutation
5*seducer (heavy) - reactive is also quite popular but honestly it depends on your stats and the campaign you play on (azura will really challenge you)
1 restoration staff

About the potions : immovable pot is a must in pvp in many situations. You need to have spell pot and this one...

About the skills : so many wrong choices really, you must have radiant light in one of your bar if you want to stop that NB targetting you as you are healing. Healing ward for zerging ? definitely not ! honor the dead ? no ! choose the other morph -> more allies healed in a quicker time there is no other option, being fast is the only way to save your group members...

KenaPKK · July 2016

PrinceFabious wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Nailed it ^
You only see like 3 prox det ball groups these days. Hopefully the rest leave the game too but yea.. Not all of us like to play groups where we can dedicate a person for everyrole lololol

Anyone that knows me in game knows I detest Zerg guilds. I think it inhibits player growth, and that's how you end up with palatines and legates and warlords even that can't make it past 1 ulti when they are caught without their groups. That being said, major guilds leaving the game is not a healthy sign or something any mature player would applaud. Unless your idea of fun and healthy AvA is the entire DC faction pugging at ales/bleakers/chal, 50 people with 2 siege up.

I think at some point we all need to grow up and acknowledge/respect that different people play for different reasons and have fun in different ways. The way some people ostracize other playstyles and spew so much salt is not good for the community or for the game.

Also...lol.You play in Krothas pug zerg of malubeth tanks, and you're calling other guilds out on respectability and skill? Man some people are so oblivious.

Arent you the malubeth templar that holds block?

Watch past broadcasts..we dont play more than 12. We barely make it past 8. Just because 90% of the group is composed of burly Orc DKs doesnt mean we are a zerg
Just because youve died to a bunch of DKs also doesnt mean "OMG KROTHA IS ZERGING" lololok
Like I said, watch past broadcasts or else...

BACK TO THE SHADOWS

"Man some people are so oblivious"

Uh. No. Quite the opposite actually. Do not talk down to Arya.

If you watch the past broadcasts you would have sat down and shut the hell up. If you reevaluated yourself and your malubeth build before calling people out you would have sat down and shut the hell up.
Shut the hell up.

Do not talk at all, Kena

Last I watched the broadcast, Krotha was in a group of 4 with about a dozen EP around him outside some keep. Essa was emp, Krotha was calling him a zergling and egging him on, you and Krotha and your 4 got baited away from the other EP, killed, and Krotha rage quit his stream.

I stopped using Malubeth when it became bugged. Haven't touched it since, and I don't think Arya ever has. Your group picked it up quite quickly though.

I welcome you to come back down to reality with us. We have

!

KenaPKK · July 2016

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

Definitely not a build I'd suggest for anyone running PVP these days in any format (1vX, small squads, zergs..). This set is plainly useless compared to transmutation and the build you suggest definitely lacks resistance (no heavy armor ?).

+ the fact you don't even mention dunmer as a viable race ( strong magicka bonus + stamina bonus + fire resist (vampire anyone) ?) really makes me doubt your experience as a healer in those situations...

No offense really, but I'd suggest this instead for zerging :

5*Transmutation
5*seducer (heavy) - reactive is also quite popular but honestly it depends on your stats and the campaign you play on (azura will really challenge you)
1 restoration staff

Heavy armor isn't necessary in larger groups, and it only takes one guy lying down a ritual or path with Trans to buff everyone. I'm sure Zheg had someone doing that.

PrinceFabious · July 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Nailed it ^
You only see like 3 prox det ball groups these days. Hopefully the rest leave the game too but yea.. Not all of us like to play groups where we can dedicate a person for everyrole lololol

Anyone that knows me in game knows I detest Zerg guilds. I think it inhibits player growth, and that's how you end up with palatines and legates and warlords even that can't make it past 1 ulti when they are caught without their groups. That being said, major guilds leaving the game is not a healthy sign or something any mature player would applaud. Unless your idea of fun and healthy AvA is the entire DC faction pugging at ales/bleakers/chal, 50 people with 2 siege up.

I think at some point we all need to grow up and acknowledge/respect that different people play for different reasons and have fun in different ways. The way some people ostracize other playstyles and spew so much salt is not good for the community or for the game.

Also...lol.You play in Krothas pug zerg of malubeth tanks, and you're calling other guilds out on respectability and skill? Man some people are so oblivious.

Arent you the malubeth templar that holds block?

Watch past broadcasts..we dont play more than 12. We barely make it past 8. Just because 90% of the group is composed of burly Orc DKs doesnt mean we are a zerg
Just because youve died to a bunch of DKs also doesnt mean "OMG KROTHA IS ZERGING" lololok
Like I said, watch past broadcasts or else...

BACK TO THE SHADOWS

"Man some people are so oblivious"

Uh. No. Quite the opposite actually. Do not talk down to Arya.

If you watch the past broadcasts you would have sat down and shut the hell up. If you reevaluated yourself and your malubeth build before calling people out you would have sat down and shut the hell up.
Shut the hell up.

Do not talk at all, Kena

Last I watched the broadcast, Krotha was in a group of 4 with about a dozen EP around him outside some keep. Essa was emp, Krotha was calling him a zergling and egging him on, you and Krotha and your 4 got baited away from the other EP, killed, and Krotha rage quit his stream.

I stopped using Malubeth when it became bugged. Haven't touched it since, and I don't think Arya ever has. Your group picked it up quite quickly though.

I welcome you to come back down to reality with us. We have !

I just checked. Couldnt find it. You have already been exposed in multiple threads as being an internet liar. You have been irrelevant in pvp. You wipe to me and say we are zerging when you know we barely even make it to 8 people. You even said your computer isnt working at the moment. Do you do anything but fabricate lies. Wheres Moji to expose you again lol. I am done with you. Like a used tissue, I will throw you aside as trying to fight a compulsive liar is quite boring and a waste of my energy.
Pool hours are closed bud

Sotha_Sil · July 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

Definitely not a build I'd suggest for anyone running PVP these days in any format (1vX, small squads, zergs..). This set is plainly useless compared to transmutation and the build you suggest definitely lacks resistance (no heavy armor ?).

+ the fact you don't even mention dunmer as a viable race ( strong magicka bonus + stamina bonus + fire resist (vampire anyone) ?) really makes me doubt your experience as a healer in those situations...

No offense really, but I'd suggest this instead for zerging :

5*Transmutation
5*seducer (heavy) - reactive is also quite popular but honestly it depends on your stats and the campaign you play on (azura will really challenge you)
1 restoration staff

Heavy armor isn't necessary in larger groups, and it only takes one guy lying down a ritual or path with Trans to buff everyone. I'm sure Zheg had someone doing that.

One guy with transmutation is not enough... in a fast paced environment where you constantly move, you need definitely many healers with that set.

If you don't use heavy armor, you will have very low mitigation even while buffed... (unless you get that new monster helm from shadow of the hist). you have something else to do than spamming light armor shield while fighting, you must heal your allies at all times which means you might get into dirty situations where you get some damage too. With the CP system we get enough resources in CP campaigns to spam healing as much as needed even in very intensive fights -> that's why it is better to run heavy because you get the extra regen out for more survivability, which can make a difference between life and death in PVP.

Ghost-Shot · July 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

Definitely not a build I'd suggest for anyone running PVP these days in any format (1vX, small squads, zergs..). This set is plainly useless compared to transmutation and the build you suggest definitely lacks resistance (no heavy armor ?).

+ the fact you don't even mention dunmer as a viable race ( strong magicka bonus + stamina bonus + fire resist (vampire anyone) ?) really makes me doubt your experience as a healer in those situations...

No offense really, but I'd suggest this instead for zerging :

5*Transmutation
5*seducer (heavy) - reactive is also quite popular but honestly it depends on your stats and the campaign you play on (azura will really challenge you)
1 restoration staff

Heavy armor isn't necessary in larger groups, and it only takes one guy lying down a ritual or path with Trans to buff everyone. I'm sure Zheg had someone doing that.

We had 2 trans healers, that set is so good! Crit resist cap OP!

CyrusArya · July 2016

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Arent you the malubeth templar that holds block?

Watch past broadcasts..we dont play more than 12. We barely make it past 8. Just because 90% of the group is composed of burly Orc DKs doesnt mean we are a zerg
Just because youve died to a bunch of DKs also doesnt mean "OMG KROTHA IS ZERGING" lololok
Like I said, watch past broadcasts or else...

BACK TO THE SHADOWS

"Man some people are so oblivious"

Not in about 2 weeks, and never in a group larger than 4. I never used the set in the same way you guys do, and I've abandoned it all together at this point so that I'm not rusty when its gutted.

But I guess my point is, its all about perspective. I regard your crew and your tactics in the same light as you hold others. You say 24 is a zerg, I say 12 is a zerg. You think stacking proxy is lame, I think stacking malubeth tanks is lame. Semantics, ya feel? I would never want you to leave the game though. I enjoy fighting you guys. The rivalries amongst each other in the community is what adds spice and character to PvP. Different play styles and the interaction among the different 'crowds' adds spice and character to PvP. IDK bout you, but I prefer a diverse ecosystem with a healthy balance. And organized guild PvP is a major, essential even, layer of this food chain.

Well, lets just say PC NA is a shadow of what I remember it to be last year and one of its pillars (Guild PvP) is in an endangered state. I just believe we need to work as a community on growth, not division, if we want to see this game last and remain fun for all. Thats why I call you out. No hate bro, you guys play how you want and keep doing you. I hope I've gotten my point across.

GreatWhite000 · July 2016

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Lol
Transmutation/Fasallas is still a ton better
But thank you for sharing what you run in a 24 man ball group lol

You can't crit shields. This build sounds like it would be horribly annoying to fight against, 24 man or 8 man really. Fasalla's wouldn't be needed for healing since every DK and their mother is running it currently.

PrinceFabious · July 2016

CyrusArya wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Arent you the malubeth templar that holds block?

Watch past broadcasts..we dont play more than 12. We barely make it past 8. Just because 90% of the group is composed of burly Orc DKs doesnt mean we are a zerg
Just because youve died to a bunch of DKs also doesnt mean "OMG KROTHA IS ZERGING" lololok
Like I said, watch past broadcasts or else...

BACK TO THE SHADOWS

"Man some people are so oblivious"

Not in about 2 weeks, and never in a group larger than 4. I never used the set in the same way you guys do, and I've abandoned it all together at this point so that I'm not rusty when its gutted.

But I guess my point is, its all about perspective. I regard your crew and your tactics in the same light as you hold others. You say 24 is a zerg, I say 12 is a zerg. You think stacking proxy is lame, I think stacking malubeth tanks is lame. Semantics, ya feel? I would never want you to leave the game though. I enjoy fighting you guys. The rivalries amongst each other in the community is what adds spice and character to PvP. Different play styles and the interaction among the different 'crowds' adds spice and character to PvP. IDK bout you, but I prefer a diverse ecosystem with a healthy balance. And organized guild PvP is a major, essential even, layer of this food chain.

Well, lets just say PC NA is a shadow of what I remember it to be last year and one of its pillars (Guild PvP) is in an endangered state. I just believe we need to work as a community on growth, not division, if we want to see this game last and remain fun for all. Thats why I call you out. No hate bro, you guys play how you want and keep doing you. I hope I've gotten my point across.

You were literally a malubeth block templar.
You are literally part of the problem with this set lololol
You call me out. Il call you out with facts. Sorry, no hate. I hope Ive gotten my point across

FENGRUSH · July 2016

Mako1132 wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

I'm just tired of all the fighting. We're all losing guildies and friends by the week. PvP is struggling to stay afloat, and this is how people who should be community leaders are behaving. We need to be working together to elevate all remotely organized play styles and groups because quite frankly pug lyfe isn't going to secure long term players, and this political epeen *** show isn't going to draw new players into organized and social play.

This is the root issue.

The player mindset of Cyro PvP is so diametrically opposed its a wonder anybody even plays.
1. View 1: Promised large scale pvp, I want to play with a group and friends
2. View 2: Zerging POS, gimme tools to break big groups Rambo 3 style (aka all by myself). Oh yeah -- Zergs cause lag

Both of these are correct. Both of these are toxic. The logical extreme of each is completely ridiculous.

The fault is ZOS for failing to recognize, much less talk about, how they intend to promote all styles of play while protecting players from each other.

Toxic players mostly. ZOS has to bring back the mechanics that allowed players to fight outnumbered. Stuff like this wasn't an issue until those were removed and large groups became near invincible.

As long as we're talking about toxic things why don't we mention this. How many times as a raid lead did I tell my group to ignore Fengrush and leave him alone let him go 1vX or something. Once we find a group our size to fight what do you know? Fengrush behind us trying to spam wrecking blow on the healers. So if I zerg you, you're going to whine and *** and moan on stream and on the forums that I'm ruining the game, yet at the same time you want to participate. You want to make it impossible for these groups to leave you to the type of PvP you want to play. That's why you're a joke. You're the whiniest, bitchiest zerg surfer in the game. Next time there's a raid farming a scroll in a resource tower, you can go somewhere else and pvp the way you want to pvp instead of going to the farm and bitching the entire time that you can't kill them with 3 people. If that's the type of thing you like to do, fight larger numbers like that, go ahead and have fun, but you didn't look like you were having fun that day when you weren't going against complete randoms like in the video you linked.

I was fighting in Dark Brotherhood in that video I linked. I dont know if you heard - but stam sorc actually got the first stam ult its had access to since ever.

Youre probably refering to example videos where I have 3 people WBing a templar who isnt CC breaking and being healed by people in a different room through walls. Lots of changes since then. I dont complain about being zerged after picking a fight with 12 people. I complain about stupid mechanics like AOE caps and endless healing through the roof that made it possible.

Changes happened - its a new patch. Hasnt been this good since 1.6. You couldnt walk a day in the shoes of a stam sorc in 1.7/thieves guild.

Ghost-Shot · July 2016

CyrusArya wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Arent you the malubeth templar that holds block?

Watch past broadcasts..we dont play more than 12. We barely make it past 8. Just because 90% of the group is composed of burly Orc DKs doesnt mean we are a zerg
Just because youve died to a bunch of DKs also doesnt mean "OMG KROTHA IS ZERGING" lololok
Like I said, watch past broadcasts or else...

BACK TO THE SHADOWS

"Man some people are so oblivious"

Not in about 2 weeks, and never in a group larger than 4. I never used the set in the same way you guys do, and I've abandoned it all together at this point so that I'm not rusty when its gutted.

But I guess my point is, its all about perspective. I regard your crew and your tactics in the same light as you hold others. You say 24 is a zerg, I say 12 is a zerg. You think stacking proxy is lame, I think stacking malubeth tanks is lame. Semantics, ya feel? I would never want you to leave the game though. I enjoy fighting you guys. The rivalries amongst each other in the community is what adds spice and character to PvP. Different play styles and the interaction among the different 'crowds' adds spice and character to PvP. IDK bout you, but I prefer a diverse ecosystem with a healthy balance. And organized guild PvP is a major, essential even, layer of this food chain.

Well, lets just say PC NA is a shadow of what I remember it to be last year and one of its pillars (Guild PvP) is in an endangered state. I just believe we need to work as a community on growth, not division, if we want to see this game last and remain fun for all. Thats why I call you out. No hate bro, you guys play how you want and keep doing you. I hope I've gotten my point across.

This right here is exactly the kind of attitude we should all have towards each other, its all these play styles together that made this game so great and its the only way it has a chance of being great again.

donJay · July 2016

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KenaPKK · July 2016

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

Definitely not a build I'd suggest for anyone running PVP these days in any format (1vX, small squads, zergs..). This set is plainly useless compared to transmutation and the build you suggest definitely lacks resistance (no heavy armor ?).

+ the fact you don't even mention dunmer as a viable race ( strong magicka bonus + stamina bonus + fire resist (vampire anyone) ?) really makes me doubt your experience as a healer in those situations...

No offense really, but I'd suggest this instead for zerging :

5*Transmutation
5*seducer (heavy) - reactive is also quite popular but honestly it depends on your stats and the campaign you play on (azura will really challenge you)
1 restoration staff

Heavy armor isn't necessary in larger groups, and it only takes one guy lying down a ritual or path with Trans to buff everyone. I'm sure Zheg had someone doing that.

We had 2 trans healers, that set is so good! Crit resist cap OP!

So gewd!

A group who doesn't have someone running Trans is missing out.

@Zheg you using Combat Physician is very interesting to me. Not sure how practical it would be to fit into my sized groups, but this looks like a highly effective and overlooked set for healing larger groups and keep fights. I'll have to see how many pieces I have lying around, farm a little, rage quit farming, and recruit a pveer to help me test some stuff with it.

Part of me wants to get this to pair with my Trans just to sit back and spam healing springs on zergs.

donJay · July 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Fengrush is not irrelevant.

We're allowed our opinions. It's a running thing with him and me, his ego is held very near and dear to his heart.

Ironically enough, technically it is true that he is a salty person gkicked from VE xD

I just think it's a low blow to say that and not true, regardless of personal beef. Some people don't like how abrasive he can be, but he calls things like he sees them and contributes a lot of entertaining and constructive content to the community. There's nothing more insulting or hurtful that you can say to a content creator than "you're not relevant anymore."

And I'm a salty person who was gkicked from VE too, although it actually turned out to be the best thing to ever happen to me in the game. I'd argue that both are losses to VE, but people and their opinions and all.

The Combat Physician tooltip in your screenshot is 4k+, which would be a bit over 5k+ with Bastion -- right about the size shield you said the set gives people. Are you saying the tooltip reaches like 11k all buffed up, or is it halving itself to show that it's in Cyro, or does the shied proc crit (wut)? I r confuse. Halp.

Honestly I don't personally have a problem with Fengrush, I've actually played with him a number of times, but he does have a history of saying some pretty nasty things about us so of course people are going to throw insults back. Again I don't personally have anything against the guy but lets be a little bit objective about things.

I'm just tired of all the fighting. We're all losing guildies and friends by the week. PvP is struggling to stay afloat, and this is how people who should be community leaders are behaving. We need to be working together to elevate all remotely organized play styles and groups because quite frankly pug lyfe isn't going to secure long term players, and this political epeen *** show isn't going to draw new players into organized and social play.
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Read these quotes here. Are these not coming from the same kid who has been constantly trying to get the last word in every forum post when he feels insulted? I can guarantee you, he will reply to this post trying to validate his maturity or something else to make him seem like the better man or justo plain right. I've read enough threads to know you are literally the problem you speak of in your above quotes. You are a forum warrior who gets massively insulted when a strand of hair gets misplaced. I bet your in game isn't nearly as strong as your forum game because I still don't know you. Can't wait for his reply. Just wait for it. Forum warrior is coming to try and belittle me.

Ghost-Shot · July 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

Definitely not a build I'd suggest for anyone running PVP these days in any format (1vX, small squads, zergs..). This set is plainly useless compared to transmutation and the build you suggest definitely lacks resistance (no heavy armor ?).

+ the fact you don't even mention dunmer as a viable race ( strong magicka bonus + stamina bonus + fire resist (vampire anyone) ?) really makes me doubt your experience as a healer in those situations...

No offense really, but I'd suggest this instead for zerging :

5*Transmutation
5*seducer (heavy) - reactive is also quite popular but honestly it depends on your stats and the campaign you play on (azura will really challenge you)
1 restoration staff

Heavy armor isn't necessary in larger groups, and it only takes one guy lying down a ritual or path with Trans to buff everyone. I'm sure Zheg had someone doing that.

We had 2 trans healers, that set is so good! Crit resist cap OP!

So gewd!

I liked it better before the 20s duration, though, when you had to put a lot of effort into keeping hots up to maintain the buff on a lot of people. Now it just feels ez mode fire and forget.

Yeah that made it a little over the top, now I basically permanently have 3.4k crit resist with only like 10 points in resistant.

KenaPKK · July 2016

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Arent you the malubeth templar that holds block?

Watch past broadcasts..we dont play more than 12. We barely make it past 8. Just because 90% of the group is composed of burly Orc DKs doesnt mean we are a zerg
Just because youve died to a bunch of DKs also doesnt mean "OMG KROTHA IS ZERGING" lololok
Like I said, watch past broadcasts or else...

BACK TO THE SHADOWS

"Man some people are so oblivious"

Not in about 2 weeks, and never in a group larger than 4. I never used the set in the same way you guys do, and I've abandoned it all together at this point so that I'm not rusty when its gutted.

But I guess my point is, its all about perspective. I regard your crew and your tactics in the same light as you hold others. You say 24 is a zerg, I say 12 is a zerg. You think stacking proxy is lame, I think stacking malubeth tanks is lame. Semantics, ya feel? I would never want you to leave the game though. I enjoy fighting you guys. The rivalries amongst each other in the community is what adds spice and character to PvP. Different play styles and the interaction among the different 'crowds' adds spice and character to PvP. IDK bout you, but I prefer a diverse ecosystem with a healthy balance. And organized guild PvP is a major, essential even, layer of this food chain.

Well, lets just say PC NA is a shadow of what I remember it to be last year and one of its pillars (Guild PvP) is in an endangered state. I just believe we need to work as a community on growth, not division, if we want to see this game last and remain fun for all. Thats why I call you out. No hate bro, you guys play how you want and keep doing you. I hope I've gotten my point across.

This right here is exactly the kind of attitude we should all have towards each other, its all these play styles together that made this game so great and its the only way it has a chance of being great again.

Exactly.

Lyar09 · July 2016

In all seriousness tho, I wouldn't label this "the strongest healing build" simply because you have no crit resistance and if focused you're dead immediately. The damage shield is pretty small and in the grand scheme of things will not mitigate as much damage over time as transmutation. All in all its good to see some ideas for healers and I love that it's not a broken reactive/malubeth block healer.

_Chaos · July 2016

donJay wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Fengrush is not irrelevant.

We're allowed our opinions. It's a running thing with him and me, his ego is held very near and dear to his heart.

Ironically enough, technically it is true that he is a salty person gkicked from VE xD

I just think it's a low blow to say that and not true, regardless of personal beef. Some people don't like how abrasive he can be, but he calls things like he sees them and contributes a lot of entertaining and constructive content to the community. There's nothing more insulting or hurtful that you can say to a content creator than "you're not relevant anymore."

And I'm a salty person who was gkicked from VE too, although it actually turned out to be the best thing to ever happen to me in the game. I'd argue that both are losses to VE, but people and their opinions and all.

The Combat Physician tooltip in your screenshot is 4k+, which would be a bit over 5k+ with Bastion -- right about the size shield you said the set gives people. Are you saying the tooltip reaches like 11k all buffed up, or is it halving itself to show that it's in Cyro, or does the shied proc crit (wut)? I r confuse. Halp.

Honestly I don't personally have a problem with Fengrush, I've actually played with him a number of times, but he does have a history of saying some pretty nasty things about us so of course people are going to throw insults back. Again I don't personally have anything against the guy but lets be a little bit objective about things.

I'm just tired of all the fighting. We're all losing guildies and friends by the week. PvP is struggling to stay afloat, and this is how people who should be community leaders are behaving. We need to be working together to elevate all remotely organized play styles and groups because quite frankly pug lyfe isn't going to secure long term players, and this political epeen *** show isn't going to draw new players into organized and social play.
.

Read these quotes here. Are these not coming from the same kid who has been constantly trying to get the last word in every forum post when he feels insulted? I can guarantee you, he will reply to this post trying to validate his maturity or something else to make him seem like the better man or justo plain right. I've read enough threads to know you are literally the problem you speak of in your above quotes. You are a forum warrior who gets massively insulted when a strand of hair gets misplaced. I bet your in game isn't nearly as strong as your forum game because I still don't know you. Can't wait for his reply. Just wait for it. Forum warrior is coming to try and belittle me.

You legit just slammed someone and called them a forum warrior, and followed it up by saying hey guys just you wait, he'll be here any minute to reply back with negativity

What colour is the sky in your world peaches?
Take another 4 months off, you still haven't calmed down from the last time you rage quit.

Rohamad_Ali · July 2016

I'm gonna stay with Transmutation but thanks for the advice . Try not to stay away from ESO too long @Zheg for CU . Despite past mustache twisting banter about faction between us , you're a good player , I seen it . You did try to help the game with good suggestions on meta .

Astanphaeus · July 2016

_Chaos wrote: »

ataggs wrote: »

Why not Powered on the weapons?

You'll want as much crit as possible to proc the combat physician

I also did some testing when DB first dropped and I found I got about 10% better hps from precise than powered. It wasn't some of the more rigorous testing that I've seen other people do, but it doesn't seem better.

Nifty2g · July 2016

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

Definitely not a build I'd suggest for anyone running PVP these days in any format (1vX, small squads, zergs..). This set is plainly useless compared to transmutation and the build you suggest definitely lacks resistance (no heavy armor ?) : you will melt in 1 sec.

The fact you don't even mention dunmer as a viable race ( strong magicka bonus + stamina bonus + fire resist (vampire anyone) ?) really makes me doubt your experience as a healer in those situations...

No offense really, but I'd suggest this instead for zerging :

5*Transmutation
5*seducer (heavy) - reactive is also quite popular but honestly it depends on your stats and the campaign you play on (azura will really challenge you)
1 restoration staff

About the potions : immovable pot is a must in pvp in many situations. You need to have spell pot and this one...

About the skills : so many wrong choices really, you must have radiant light in one of your bar if you want to stop that NB targetting you as you are healing. Healing ward for zerging ? definitely not ! honor the dead ? no ! choose the other morph -> more allies healed in a quicker time there is no other option, being fast is the only way to save your group members...

You won't melt if it's a raid build, which it is
The fact you want a dunmer as a healer makes me question your experience, you're saying fire resistance as if it's widely useful, which it isn't. Grab a Breton in that case to mitigate all spells not just fire. The stamina is nice but it's barely anything compared to imperial
Seducer is pretty generic and in the current state it's not needed, far too many ways to infinite sustain

If you're going to suggest a build please don't pull an over used one out, it's great for diversity in heals on raids

Honor the dead is there for a reason and healing ward too, radiant is not needed for zergs

Zheg · July 2016

@Lyar09 i was a well known healer to the groups we fought, one of 2 raid leads, and had plenty of people with high salt amounts that would go after me. I was FFd plenty. I survived fine. The little crit resistance is compensated by free shields, strong harness and healing ward, and trans buffs from groupmates. If i wasnt in my rune and didnt have harness up id get dropped quickly if a ganker came after me, but my survivability was comparable my old school kags build. Ive always healed in 5 light, it wasnt much different on this.

Lyar09 · July 2016

@Zheg I'm not talking about your skill as a healer. I'm talking about your build in comparison to the title of the thread. Not every group is going to have transmutation in it to give you your crit resistance like you said you do. This build is labeled as the "strongest" when it isn't in regards as an individual healer. This build has too many variables that are dependent on other player buffs to be considered the strongest. Solo, small man, even a raid, if you don't have said buffs from other players as you stated you will melt. Also, you have too much cp into bastion. You start getting diminishing returns at around 89 points (23%). You could utilize those points in crit resistance or thick skinned for AOEs. Just my input.

Zheg · July 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

Definitely not a build I'd suggest for anyone running PVP these days in any format (1vX, small squads, zergs..). This set is plainly useless compared to transmutation and the build you suggest definitely lacks resistance (no heavy armor ?) : you will melt in 1 sec.

The fact you don't even mention dunmer as a viable race ( strong magicka bonus + stamina bonus + fire resist (vampire anyone) ?) really makes me doubt your experience as a healer in those situations...

No offense really, but I'd suggest this instead for zerging :

5*Transmutation
5*seducer (heavy) - reactive is also quite popular but honestly it depends on your stats and the campaign you play on (azura will really challenge you)
1 restoration staff

About the potions : immovable pot is a must in pvp in many situations. You need to have spell pot and this one...

About the skills : so many wrong choices really, you must have radiant light in one of your bar if you want to stop that NB targetting you as you are healing. Healing ward for zerging ? definitely not ! honor the dead ? no ! choose the other morph -> more allies healed in a quicker time there is no other option, being fast is the only way to save your group members...

You won't melt if it's a raid build, which it is
The fact you want a dunmer as a healer makes me question your experience, you're saying fire resistance as if it's widely useful, which it isn't. Grab a Breton in that case to mitigate all spells not just fire. The stamina is nice but it's barely anything compared to imperial
Seducer is pretty generic and in the current state it's not needed, far too many ways to infinite sustain

If you're going to suggest a build please don't pull an over used one out, it's great for diversity in heals on raids

Honor the dead is there for a reason and healing ward too, radiant is not needed for zergs

This. Also, immov pot is available if needed, but most of the time it isnt. To reinforce the talk on skill choice, as i said in OP it works best if you have a templar friend focusing burst heals. In most of my experiences this patch, healing ward saves more allies being focused than breath/htd - not only does it respond better and have a shorter animation, but the shield keeps them alive even if theyre heal debuffed.

Contrary to what many think, jesus beam is not necessary in larger fights. Blazing spears is probably the better choice. If i get focused i say so and friends take the pressure off or another healer helps. Or, resto heavy attack them until theyve learned a lesson!

Backbar skill choices change depending on your group size and who you're fighting.

Zheg · July 2016

Lyar09 wrote: »

@Zheg I'm not talking about your skill as a healer. I'm talking about your build in comparison to the title of the thread. Not every group is going to have transmutation in it to give you your crit resistance like you said you do. This build is labeled as the "strongest" when it isn't in regards as an individual healer. This build has too many variables that are dependent on other player buffs to be considered the strongest. Solo, small man, even a raid, if you don't have said buffs from other players as you stated you will melt. Also, you have too much cp into bastion. You start getting diminishing returns at around 89 points (23%). You could utilize those points in crit resistance or thick skinned for AOEs. Just my input.

Putting them into crit resistance is also small returns with 2 impen max. I still survive even without trans, long as ive got harness in rotation and use healing ward as main heal if im pressured then i take 0 crits. For a smallman healer where you are the only one yes youll probably want something different. The build still works ok for that though its not optimal.

Strongest healer for mid to large groups, if you need the clarification. And obviously thats debateable, its just my opinion for what has worked exceptionally well for the meta.