Zheg is the type of guy who will chase you from Ash to Dragonclaw on foot and never get your health below 60%

Poxheart wrote: »

emma666 wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

This set up was an absolute life-saver oh my god. If only more than one of us had farmed it lol. Oh well.

Also did I just see a "put your healers on Fasallas" for real?

What's wrong about fasalla on healers? When I'm on my templar and run e.g. with 2 stam dks and a sorc, almost all half decent players target me first, so imo it makes sense for me to use fasalla.

Nothing wrong with fasallas on support templar, at all. VE players aren't very experienced in smaller groups and have dedicated fasalla tanks because they have numbers to dedicate solely to that, while smaller groups often have builds that do a bit of everything, heals, tank and dps. Keep on rocking your Fasallas

I don't even play this game anymore, but I know the bolded part isn't true at all. Satiar, Bulbisar, and Teargrants are all very good/experienced running small groups and I'm sure many of the other VE members are as well.

I cant unsee this video someone posted of VE in a 6 or 7 man group dying to like 300 CP people. Who actually moves as a proxy ball at 7 man group size and dies to a handful of people...

They definitely have some good players in there, and then... theres probably some people that cant small group pvp at all really.

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

emma666 wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

This set up was an absolute life-saver oh my god. If only more than one of us had farmed it lol. Oh well.

Also did I just see a "put your healers on Fasallas" for real?

What's wrong about fasalla on healers? When I'm on my templar and run e.g. with 2 stam dks and a sorc, almost all half decent players target me first, so imo it makes sense for me to use fasalla.

Nothing wrong with fasallas on support templar, at all. VE players aren't very experienced in smaller groups and have dedicated fasalla tanks because they have numbers to dedicate solely to that, while smaller groups often have builds that do a bit of everything, heals, tank and dps. Keep on rocking your Fasallas

I don't even play this game anymore, but I know the bolded part isn't true at all. Satiar, Bulbisar, and Teargrants are all very good/experienced running small groups and I'm sure many of the other VE members are as well.

I cant unsee this video someone posted of VE in a 6 or 7 man group dying to like 300 CP people. Who actually moves as a proxy ball at 7 man group size and dies to a handful of people...

They definitely have some good players in there, and then... theres probably some people that cant small group pvp at all really.

Fengrush is just a salty former member who was g-kicked.

_Chaos wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

emma666 wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

This set up was an absolute life-saver oh my god. If only more than one of us had farmed it lol. Oh well.

Also did I just see a "put your healers on Fasallas" for real?

What's wrong about fasalla on healers? When I'm on my templar and run e.g. with 2 stam dks and a sorc, almost all half decent players target me first, so imo it makes sense for me to use fasalla.

Nothing wrong with fasallas on support templar, at all. VE players aren't very experienced in smaller groups and have dedicated fasalla tanks because they have numbers to dedicate solely to that, while smaller groups often have builds that do a bit of everything, heals, tank and dps. Keep on rocking your Fasallas

I don't even play this game anymore, but I know the bolded part isn't true at all. Satiar, Bulbisar, and Teargrants are all very good/experienced running small groups and I'm sure many of the other VE members are as well.

I cant unsee this video someone posted of VE in a 6 or 7 man group dying to like 300 CP people. Who actually moves as a proxy ball at 7 man group size and dies to a handful of people...

They definitely have some good players in there, and then... theres probably some people that cant small group pvp at all really.

link me chief

Sorry - forgot the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwl4MIl2A4k

@ataggs youre in there too bro. Sick nasty small scale PvP from this healer. But I guess these 300CP guys are 'more competitive' being on trueflame! Look out for the light attacks hitting wall from recorder.

Fengrush is not irrelevant.

Zheg wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

emma666 wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

This set up was an absolute life-saver oh my god. If only more than one of us had farmed it lol. Oh well.

Also did I just see a "put your healers on Fasallas" for real?

What's wrong about fasalla on healers? When I'm on my templar and run e.g. with 2 stam dks and a sorc, almost all half decent players target me first, so imo it makes sense for me to use fasalla.

Nothing wrong with fasallas on support templar, at all. VE players aren't very experienced in smaller groups and have dedicated fasalla tanks because they have numbers to dedicate solely to that, while smaller groups often have builds that do a bit of everything, heals, tank and dps. Keep on rocking your Fasallas

I don't even play this game anymore, but I know the bolded part isn't true at all. Satiar, Bulbisar, and Teargrants are all very good/experienced running small groups and I'm sure many of the other VE members are as well.

I cant unsee this video someone posted of VE in a 6 or 7 man group dying to like 300 CP people. Who actually moves as a proxy ball at 7 man group size and dies to a handful of people...

They definitely have some good players in there, and then... theres probably some people that cant small group pvp at all really.

You can't un-see it because you're so desperate for salt that you intentionally disregard the fact that crispy explained there was an entire saramis raid there right before and he expected them to still be there. From the jesus beams coming down from 2nd floor there were clearly more blue than the video shows. I know you don't understand because you farm potatoes and didn't even know who the blue groups on TF were because you don't fight good guilds with any kind of regular frequency, but they ran 1-2 raids deep on TF and were one of if not the strongest blue force on the map. For reference, this is the kind of group you try to rambo with wrecking blow and a dawnbreaker and then complain about healers keeping them alive. And then you slink back to the sewers because of 'lag'.

I'd also point out that the reason you can't un-see it is because you're the type of petty person to hold folders of videos of anyone you managed to kill once, just in case your ego is ever threatened. There's a reason you don't see many videos of ve group wipes very often on the forums, it's not because they don't happen, it's because if people started that pettiness they knew they'd be in just as many if not more embarrassing videos. I get that you're still trying to cope with being irrelevant, and I get that you're sad to see me begin to go, but you'll just have to deal bro.

I know thats the same thing you said from the other thread. This 7 man group didnt wipe to 6 or 7 guys standing around that happened to leap on them and gently put them away. They 7 VE crumbled under fear of a group that was on the wall above that actually didnt even kill them in this video.

Heres how you man up vs a 'raid' and actually fight the raid, and not die to pubs not in the raid. Sorry we didnt do it with 7 people - but 4 can get the job done as well and it seemed fitting since the fight happened in the same exact place:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Kd4qNLhZ1w

I dont have folders of videos. I literally searched 'Jauriel VE' and it came up right away as I recall she posted this and your guild mates started hitting her with personal insults. I mean... I dont get to see small man VE videos, or catch small man VE groups in play.. or I could say otherwise. But I do have this video referenced which shows 7 VE operating in the same exact fashion as they would in a 24 man group. To me, it says they dont know how to play in small group. If I have a 7 man group - Id be perfect willing to contend with a raid. Id certainly not have the slightest issue with the handful of pubs that wiped your group in that video though. Its nothing personal, Im just pointing out the reality of it all.

Zheg wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Fengrush is not irrelevant.

We're allowed our opinions. It's a running thing with him and me, his ego is held very near and dear to his heart.

Ironically enough, technically it is true that he is a salty person gkicked from VE xD

I think the way that actually happened in AOEBBQ accidently invited me to that guild instead of another one. Another person from VE (potentially Zheg) kicked me before I could even type "hey guys" in guild chat. It was the fastest Gkick in history potentially. AOE BBQ said wow theres some people here that really dont like you. Unfortunately, I didnt know anyone who had a reason to dislike me, other than Steve maybe. But I didnt know that at the time, and I think I explained that to Steve since!

People have a misconstrued perception of my thoughts of VE and players in it. They were a fantastic guild, even if some of their members insult me. But they were a ball group guild as well - and they were top of their game for it when they ran it. Sometimes I poke fun at it to trigger Zheg, but you cant make stretches that its composed of people that are great in small scale PvP - even when its ranks contain people that are in fact great in small scale. Zheg also likes to proclaim small scale PvP is irrelevant and not the way the game was meant to be played. Only large ball groups are the way it was meant to be played, and truly 'competitive'.

I have the decency to respect the players in there that Ive seen in combat and hold their own fighting. There are however, a fair share of players, Ive literally never seen in a situation where I can measure their personal effectiveness (outside of a group surrounded by 20+ players within 10meters). If you expect me to make stuff up about how great they probably are, or give them the benefit of the doubt when they insult me - it wont happen. Zheg, whether hes solely trying to trigger me or just snapping back at me, believes he can make comments like FENGRUSH is irrelevant or fights non competitive players.

I didnt really poke at your build at all Zheg - but if you got in a 4v4 with my group running that set, you would be deleted from the battle in 5-10 seconds without a doubt in my mind. Its probably functional for your large scale group, but in my opinion, a lot of things are. Maybe its the best build ever for that group though - I dont know or care enough to comment though. You could get by with other setups and the difference would be negligible compared to factors of group size. Thats why I dont really try to do ball group PVP - but its fine if others want to. I just wish ZOS balanced more intelligently around it.

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

emma666 wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

This set up was an absolute life-saver oh my god. If only more than one of us had farmed it lol. Oh well.

Also did I just see a "put your healers on Fasallas" for real?

What's wrong about fasalla on healers? When I'm on my templar and run e.g. with 2 stam dks and a sorc, almost all half decent players target me first, so imo it makes sense for me to use fasalla.

Nothing wrong with fasallas on support templar, at all. VE players aren't very experienced in smaller groups and have dedicated fasalla tanks because they have numbers to dedicate solely to that, while smaller groups often have builds that do a bit of everything, heals, tank and dps. Keep on rocking your Fasallas

I don't even play this game anymore, but I know the bolded part isn't true at all. Satiar, Bulbisar, and Teargrants are all very good/experienced running small groups and I'm sure many of the other VE members are as well.

I cant unsee this video someone posted of VE in a 6 or 7 man group dying to like 300 CP people. Who actually moves as a proxy ball at 7 man group size and dies to a handful of people...

They definitely have some good players in there, and then... theres probably some people that cant small group pvp at all really.

You can't un-see it because you're so desperate for salt that you intentionally disregard the fact that crispy explained there was an entire saramis raid there right before and he expected them to still be there. From the jesus beams coming down from 2nd floor there were clearly more blue than the video shows. I know you don't understand because you farm potatoes and didn't even know who the blue groups on TF were because you don't fight good guilds with any kind of regular frequency, but they ran 1-2 raids deep on TF and were one of if not the strongest blue force on the map. For reference, this is the kind of group you try to rambo with wrecking blow and a dawnbreaker and then complain about healers keeping them alive. And then you slink back to the sewers because of 'lag'.

I'd also point out that the reason you can't un-see it is because you're the type of petty person to hold folders of videos of anyone you managed to kill once, just in case your ego is ever threatened. There's a reason you don't see many videos of ve group wipes very often on the forums, it's not because they don't happen, it's because if people started that pettiness they knew they'd be in just as many if not more embarrassing videos. I get that you're still trying to cope with being irrelevant, and I get that you're sad to see me begin to go, but you'll just have to deal bro.

I know thats the same thing you said from the other thread. This 7 man group didnt wipe to 6 or 7 guys standing around that happened to leap on them and gently put them away. They 7 VE crumbled under fear of a group that was on the wall above that actually didnt even kill them in this video.

Heres how you man up vs a 'raid' and actually fight the raid, and not die to pubs not in the raid. Sorry we didnt do it with 7 people - but 4 can get the job done as well and it seemed fitting since the fight happened in the same exact place:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Kd4qNLhZ1w

I dont have folders of videos. I literally searched 'Jauriel VE' and it came up right away as I recall she posted this and your guild mates started hitting her with personal insults. I mean... I dont get to see small man VE videos, or catch small man VE groups in play.. or I could say otherwise. But I do have this video referenced which shows 7 VE operating in the same exact fashion as they would in a 24 man group. To me, it says they dont know how to play in small group. If I have a 7 man group - Id be perfect willing to contend with a raid. Id certainly not have the slightest issue with the handful of pubs that wiped your group in that video though. Its nothing personal, Im just pointing out the reality of it all.

The reality of it is that VE doesnt record fights. There are two that used to get an awesome fight saved for our own viewing pleasure, or shadowplay a bad fight so leads could watch and see whats happening that they might have missed, but we never plastered the forums with highlight reels, including the smaller groups that would run outside of raid times. Did steve/ghost (and the one other person i forgot) need to post a video of them wiping 30+ of a pm force trying to save nikel when we were back on blue? (I was there too, but still in my 'crash every 5-10 minutes phase of pvp). No, they didnt, theyre not so insecure. Pm knows they lost embarassingly, nikel was saved temporarily, and we got a good fight out of it. We have different perspectives fengrush and thats fine, but you look pretty silly when your comments sound like they came out of princefabious xD

Honestly, if you guys werent such little *** and post threads like "VE BEST GUILD NA" and didnt zerg the forums, flooded with cockyness, no one would give a rats ass about your zerg build and no ond(including me) would care to respond to you guys in general. Be more humble. I do what I do because I hate your attitude towards the game.

The thread titled VE was the best guild to play this game, that I assume you're referring to was actually posted by Axy in response to Bulb's thread saying that we were done. And in Bulb's goodbye thread he did call us the best, and I think any guild should think that about themselves. Trust me we have been humbled plenty of times by groups like Haxus and Rage(rip), even after all the salt that gets thrown around between us I still have a ton of respect for those groups, but we also have plenty of wins and are very proud of what we accomplished as a guild in this game and I fail to understand why you take so much personal offense to that. We must of had a pretty serious impact on you for you to still be this salty after we're gone, sorry about that . Try not to take things so serious bruh, its not good for you.

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Fengrush is not irrelevant.

We're allowed our opinions. It's a running thing with him and me, his ego is held very near and dear to his heart.

Ironically enough, technically it is true that he is a salty person gkicked from VE xD

I just think it's a low blow to say that and not true, regardless of personal beef. Some people don't like how abrasive he can be, but he calls things like he sees them and contributes a lot of entertaining and constructive content to the community. There's nothing more insulting or hurtful that you can say to a content creator than "you're not relevant anymore."

And I'm a salty person who was gkicked from VE too, although it actually turned out to be the best thing to ever happen to me in the game. I'd argue that both are losses to VE, but people and their opinions and all.

The Combat Physician tooltip in your screenshot is 4k+, which would be a bit over 5k+ with Bastion -- right about the size shield you said the set gives people. Are you saying the tooltip reaches like 11k all buffed up, or is it halving itself to show that it's in Cyro, or does the shied proc crit (wut)? I r confuse. Halp.

Honestly I don't personally have a problem with Fengrush, I've actually played with him a number of times, but he does have a history of saying some pretty nasty things about us so of course people are going to throw insults back. Again I don't personally have anything against the guy but lets be a little bit objective about things.

I dont hate VE, ghostshot. Take my posts directed towards zheg with a grain of salt. As Ive said before - I have no way to judge Zheg outside of the large groups he plays with, because I havent personally found him elsewhere in the past 2years+. Im sure hes been out there, but it would seem thats where a minority of his time is spent.

I have respect for a fair amount of players that have been and were with VE through its time. I dont actually have issue with anyone in it. Even Zheg must have some talent behind those angry fingers to lead large groups - because that is the hardest part of running those large groups, and a guild in general. Leadership is not an easy task - so its credit to him in that respect. But with the ridiculous posts he throws out you cant expect me not to end up trolling him.

So sorry if you feel Ive felt a lack of respect for VE. Ive been an advocate for removing AOE caps and bringing order back to Cyro against ball groups - which have caused a lot of issues in this game functionally and from a performance perspective. The fault is on ZOS here ultimately. But VE has taken those posts and conversations I have made and taken it personally, leading to a back and forth which is ultimately futile. Obviously guilds like PM that just rally any amount of number are contributing to a far more toxic environment than a 20 man group. We have also since experienced a lot of changes that have impacted ball groups and made them less ridiculous (purge, rapids, barrier). Whether they are all correct is another story. But in an attempt to engage in those discussions, you can see the type of insults Ive faced from your noble leader Zheg, and some others to a lesser degree. Striking out at my point of view from how Ive played the game to invalidate what I consider to be, completely fair points. But that is the struggle in trying to bring change.