Resource Farming. What do you think?

GreenSoup2HoT · July 2016

Hello. I just wanted to start a poll about a tactic used in pvp called "Resource Farming". To anyone who may be unfamiliar with this tactic, it's all about capturing a Resource and camping inside. If the Enemy Faction claims the Resource while you are still inside, you cannot Siege the Tower down. Then the Farming begin's. With enough players inside the Resource, you can kill anyone trying to go inside the Resource because there is a short delay while entering Doors in Cryodill.

Coordinated groups abuse this tactic to gain very high amounts of AP. Using Coordination, you can use ability's like Negate, Talons, AoE's and a variety of ability's to kill anyone instantly without you even having a chance to do anything.

There are some counter's to this Tactic. Devouring Swarm and Mist Form work very well together while trying to push your way upstairs to apply pressure to the players Farming Below. Rapid Maneuvers and also Immovability potions also can assist you.

Now my goal with this poll is to see if this feature should stay in Cryodill or be prevented with design changes. I'll list some options below and we can start with the discussion.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

This poll will be anonymous to make sure no player bias is created.

Ghost-Shot · July 2016

When people stop being bad they stop getting farmed. For example, if you look at a tower and there's a raid of one of the better guilds in your server, leave. If you don't feed us AP we move on to greener pastures.

Talyena · July 2016

The second flag idea is intriguing. Have the first flag unlock the door and the second flag complete the capture. I've always thought the flag should be in the tower so you have to take it down to capture the flag and then repair the tower if you want to farm. But then you own the tower until the other side takes it down. But a second flag would work as well if properly done.

GreenSoup2HoT · July 2016

Talyena wrote: »

The second flag idea is intriguing. Have the first flag unlock the door and the second flag complete the capture. I've always thought the flag should be in the tower so you have to take it down to capture the flag and then repair the tower if you want to farm. But then you own the tower until the other side takes it down. But a second flag would work as well if properly done.

I like your idea that the first flag unlocks the door. Not every Resource has a Raid camping behind it, so taking down the Tower is not always necessary.

The second flag in my opinion is necessary for those very moments when a Raid/10+ players are camping inside. Some players will still rush in then die but others will Siege down the Tower. It's then up to the Raid/players inside to either go down with the ship or flank the Resource and capture it back.

KenaPKK · July 2016

You choose to walk through that door.

Take responsibility for your actions. L2p

Ishammael · July 2016

I find it hilarious that ppl still get "farmed" after 2 yrs of play.

NordSwordnBoard · July 2016

Allow firing into windows? Make that pill-box a kill-box.

Lexxypwns · July 2016

All resource farming doesn't happen in towers nor by large groups, I solo/small group farm resources all the time and only enter a tower when a group that greatly outnumbers us arrives. Tower farming is what you speak of and it's 100% prevented by not being a potatoe and going into the tower

Stratforge · July 2016

Tower farms (usually) aren't impossible to break. Shuffle + dodge roll + heals for stam users. Mist/devouring for magicka builds. Pop an immovable on the door, start your HoTs, then get upstairs and start dumping oil on them. If the group farming is actually too big or skilled to break, just leave and let them have the resource it's not that big of a deal.

Darkestnght · July 2016

Any option to get rid of it would be fine with me. Resource Farming is not anything a new player is going to know about unless their friends or guilds tell them. I am a loner in PvP and had to learn the hard way.

I myself just find it a cheap way to get kills/AP but whatever floats your boat......but I sometimes think Resource Farming is just one way to keep the enemy busy while the real battle is going on somewhere else.

vamp_emily · July 2016

I'm sure tomorrow I will come here and Resource farming will be considered the new exploit because it was not intended to be played like that.. blah.. blah.. blah. Let people play the way they want, as long as it is not cheating.

Here are few simple solutions:

1. Tear down the tower before you take the flag. <-- repeat that 10 times
2. Leave them in the tower, they will get AP hungry and come out.

Fear works well too

I got it on my newest character, went into the resource tower, Feared and then came back out

Did that several times.

Astanphaeus · July 2016

I dislike resource farming, but that is because it goes back to me disliking how AP is granted in this game. In theory, the game is AvAvA where you are supposed to be fighting for and supporting your faction. But, being useful for your faction is fundamentally the worst way to get AP. And these farm groups are usually pretty useless when it comes to map control. I don't have an issue with the fundamental way in which the resource and tower functions, but the way AP is granted needs a complete overhaul.

zyk · July 2016

Resource farming isn't the core problem. It is a symptom of the core problem: A game design and scoring system that have no competitive balance mechanisms and encourage players to seek out opponents they outclass.

It's common to see groups composed of very good players with optimized builds spend hours at resources fighting random players with generally poor builds. Beyond the endorphin rush of earning AP, how is drab routine fun to anyone?

We need mechanisms that incentivize the best players to fight each other. Why? Because this is fun and entertaining.

The "but we're outnumbered!!" retort has no value when a group is composed of highly organized, experienced CP capped players utilizing optimal builds. It has every other advantage against the randoms it has success against.

I have a lot more respect for the randoms who show up to fight, against all odds, a Haxus or Invictus farm than I do for any of the individuals farming.

Lucky28 · July 2016

I don't mind it at all.

Humphie · July 2016

Lucky28 wrote: »

I don't mind it at all.

Really?

Master_Kas · July 2016

I don't mind it at all. Pretty funny when some group is trying to farm and I drink a immovability pot, enter, mist form to the top and place a camp for my alliance or oils above their heads. Or drop down on them when they are a bit stacked with alchemist+vd+deto.

Even easier to get through if you have a organized group who all use immovabilitypots +mistform/rapid manouvers + barrier when you enter.

Then there is the sneaky tactic of waiting in sneak outside with your allies, until they get bored and rush out into your negates/sieges/whatever

Lexxypwns · July 2016

Stratforge wrote: »

Tower farms (usually) aren't impossible to break. Shuffle + dodge roll + heals for stam users. Mist/devouring for magicka builds. Pop an immovable on the door, start your HoTs, then get upstairs and start dumping oil on them. If the group farming is actually too big or skilled to break, just leave and let them have the resource it's not that big of a deal.

Why would you use mist form and devouring? You're aware mist form prevents incoming heals, right? The correct method, on magic builds, is either: prepare a det+ulti bomb(on characters running VD on high damage builds) then go in as det goes off and ulti and hope for the wipe or to go in, mist form to the top then harass/pick off individuals that are out of position. The second is typically more effective since you're making them lose the spike damage and CC/roots on the door, which makes it easier for other players to survive. The real best thing to do is to not go in at all, however.

ku5h · July 2016

In my opinion this tactic is the lowest of the low, and it should be prevented in some manner. Voted for a second flag inside, so random pugs cant cap it as they always do.

imredneckson · July 2016

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Hello. I just wanted to start a poll about a tactic used in pvp called "Resource Farming". To anyone who may be unfamiliar with this tactic, it's all about capturing a Resource and camping inside. If the Enemy Faction claims the Resource while you are still inside, you cannot Siege the Tower down. Then the Farming begin's. With enough players inside the Resource, you can kill anyone trying to go inside the Resource because there is a short delay while entering Doors in Cryodill.

Coordinated groups abuse this tactic to gain very high amounts of AP. Using Coordination, you can use ability's like Negate, Talons, AoE's and a variety of ability's to kill you instantly without you even having a chance to do anything.

There are some counter's to this Tactic. Devouring Swarm and Mist Form work very well together while trying to push your way upstairs to apply pressure to the players Farming Below. Rapid Maneuvers and also Immovability potions also can assist you.

Now my goal with this poll is to see if this feature should stay in Cryodill or be prevented with design changes. I'll list some options below and we can start with the discussion.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

This poll will be anonymous to make sure no player bias is created.

DONT CHARGE IN!!! Let them sit there

Chuga_Rei · July 2016

Give every child a ribbon they said, it will be fine they said.

themdogesbite · July 2016

I could understand if it was after a coupple of weeks into the games launch, but it's been 2 years now, this can't be a issue anymore honestly. Besides, messing other peoples towers farms up is so much fun!

Rylana · July 2016

I love to bust tower farms. You have no idea how giddy I get when one gets shrekt.

Thalmor-Nordmaster · July 2016

It is from Resource Farming that I learned about being Farmed. I was and currently am prolly to most farmed person in all of sillydiil. I am that "Special Potato" the Cat Cat Cat Cat you all like to hunt!!!! Keep it until I am no longer a desired Commodity used to line Armour or make Cod Pieces!

Because sometimes I luck out and can get a meatbag through the window and SCORE!!!!!

Skitttles · July 2016

I just like to see if I can get to the top of the tower without dying. Then place bets with people to see who can lol

Luigi_Vampa · July 2016

If you can't beat them, don't go in the tower.

maxjapank · July 2016

It's actually quite fun to do. But smart players either know how to get in and upstairs....or they leave the resource alone. Eventually the group in the tower will come out. So let them get bored

Darnathian · July 2016

themdogesbite wrote: »

I could understand if it was after a coupple of weeks into the games launch, but it's been 2 years now, this can't be a issue anymore honestly. Besides, messing other peoples towers farms up is so much fun!

It is a issue due to server performance.

It concentrates players and kills performance for selfish gain.

Jaronking · July 2016

Me and my buddy love going in and just run to the fop while groups are farming and drop oil on them until they send 1-2 people to come kill us and then we kill them over and over until they send a good portion of their group to come wipe us which then allow the pugs to push in and wipe them.Its very fun.To farm the farmers for a bit.Especially with EP players on Xbox they have about 2 and a half raids in towers at a time it good ap.So please don't take that away.

Stratforge · July 2016

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Stratforge wrote: »

Tower farms (usually) aren't impossible to break. Shuffle + dodge roll + heals for stam users. Mist/devouring for magicka builds. Pop an immovable on the door, start your HoTs, then get upstairs and start dumping oil on them. If the group farming is actually too big or skilled to break, just leave and let them have the resource it's not that big of a deal.

Why would you use mist form and devouring? You're aware mist form prevents incoming heals, right? The correct method, on magic builds, is either: prepare a det+ulti bomb(on characters running VD on high damage builds) then go in as det goes off and ulti and hope for the wipe or to go in, mist form to the top then harass/pick off individuals that are out of position. The second is typically more effective since you're making them lose the spike damage and CC/roots on the door, which makes it easier for other players to survive. The real best thing to do is to not go in at all, however.

Hmm I didn't know that. I don't have experience with the magicka method I offered but it's what some group members of mine have used when we have broken tower farms. My sorc friends just pop immovables and streak through.

TrinityBreaker · July 2016

What stratforge said,

As a sorcerer just pop immovable and streak, and to really *** the group trying to farm with all those nasty little AoEs, NEGATE! The hate mail from those groups are always too funny

Forestd16b14_ESO · July 2016

Look when players are dumb enough to continue going there and flooding in not having a plan the deserve to feed the AP farm.

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