Champion point "catchup mechanic"
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I mean, we've had caps in place for CP for awhile and the cap is about to increase slightly, but there was supposed to be a catchup mechanic, now enlightenment kind of serves that function but at the current rate of enlightenment you only get about 1.5 champion levels a day worth of enlightenment. That'd take years to catch up if you relied just on that.
Why not increase enlightenment based on how many CP you currently have. the current 400k if you're at 450 or higher, 750k for 400-450, 1m for 350-400, 1.25m for 300-350, 1.5m for 250-300, 1.75m for 200-250, and capping at 2m a day of enlightenment for under 200, something along those lines. point is the more people catch up to the current cap the more often they can raise the cap. People complain about the cap hardly budging well, it's because there's a lot of people who are nowhere near the cap and the current enlightenment doesn't do enough to catch up people who are behind.
Why not increase enlightenment based on how many CP you currently have. the current 400k if you're at 450 or higher, 750k for 400-450, 1m for 350-400, 1.25m for 300-350, 1.5m for 250-300, 1.75m for 200-250, and capping at 2m a day of enlightenment for under 200, something along those lines. point is the more people catch up to the current cap the more often they can raise the cap. People complain about the cap hardly budging well, it's because there's a lot of people who are nowhere near the cap and the current enlightenment doesn't do enough to catch up people who are behind.
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thisisScoMan✭✭✭✭As someone in the 350-400 bracket, I think no.
The present system works.
400k means more or less points, depending on your current CP.Xbox One. NA Server
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phaneub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They said when they raise the maximum cap by another 30CP with the next DLC, they are adjusting the experience amount required between 10-501CP to be lower. So you'll be getting them faster than you would now.
Also the more characters you have at level 50, your potential to gain experience for champion points go up. I'm currently at 491CP and it requires 430,000 or so experience for each Champion point. I have 7 characters at level 50, I try to do the random dungeon daily on each of them that gives 101,000 experience; just 4 of them give me 1 CP a day.0 -
Darth_Trumpious✭✭✭✭No. Current catch-up mechanism will be buffed again with the next DLC so no further easy mode is needed1 -
Arato✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you're looking at the current system though, you're not going to catch up in any timely manner at 1CP a day.0 -
WldKarde✭✭✭✭✭I see no reason to make changes at this time.
It's an MMO...you need to spend the time playing the game.
It's already quite easy to get to the cap if you just play the game...and isn't that what you should be doing anyway?
Games are supposed to be played as something that is enjoyable, so if you enjoy ESO...just play it and have fun!
The CP's will take care of themselves
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✭we will never be at a point where everyone is at cap, because everyday someone joins the game, or comes bk to the game, or switches server, or platform!0 -
bareheiny✭✭✭✭✭Wait, is there a race to the CP cap? A special prize?
Dammit....if there is, I want it! And I want it now!
But I only want it it's cake.Edited by bareheiny on July 8, 2016 3:22AM1 -
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✭Shadesofkin wrote: »It's nearly 1,000,000 for me, the catch up mechanic as it is works just fine.
that's accumulated over multiple days.0 -
Eliran✭✭✭✭✭Wait, is there a race to the CP cap? A special prize?
Dammit....if there is, I want it! And I want it now!
But I only want it it's cake.
Yes, the game is just sad for anyone who is not 400+.
Don't believe me? try to go to Cyrodiil at as high as 200CP, you won't even pinch your enemy.0 -
Arato✭✭✭✭✭
✭Wait, is there a race to the CP cap? A special prize?
Dammit....if there is, I want it! And I want it now!
But I only want it it's cake.
The point is people complain about the cap staying the same for so long, the reason it's staying the same or barely budging is because so many people aren't even close to the cap.
because how many CP you have is visible to everyone (a real bad mistake on ZoS's part) people don't accept you for groups unless you're at certain CP thresholds. So CP becomes a barrier to being able to do group content.0 -
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Mate, I'm so teribad at PvP that my Nixad poses a bigger threat to other players than I do....regardless of my champion points.Wait, is there a race to the CP cap? A special prize?
Dammit....if there is, I want it! And I want it now!
But I only want it it's cake.
Yes, the game is just sad for anyone who is not 400+.
Don't believe me? try to go to Cyrodiil at as high as 200CP, you won't even pinch your enemy.2 -
Arato✭✭✭✭✭
✭I see no reason to make changes at this time.
It's an MMO...you need to spend the time playing the game.
It's already quite easy to get to the cap if you just play the game...and isn't that what you should be doing anyway?
Games are supposed to be played as something that is enjoyable, so if you enjoy ESO...just play it and have fun!
The CP's will take care of themselves
Well at 1 CP a day if you want to take years to reach the cap and you're fine with that and you're fine with groups kicking you or refusing to take you in the first place for being at low CP's, that's your prerogative but the longer it takes for people to catch up to 501 and soon 531 cp, the longer it'll take for the cap to ever raise again.
Frankly after enlightenment is consumed, it's not worth questing anymore questing becomes not a very good way to get xp when its 8k xp a quest instead of 32k.
So the way most people actually reached 501, was by grinding cyrodiil delves in a group with xp pots/scrolls on. But the majority of people who play the game, don't find that fun, so it takes them longer to reach 501.
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bebynnag✭✭✭✭✭
✭I see no reason to make changes at this time.
It's an MMO...you need to spend the time playing the game.
It's already quite easy to get to the cap if you just play the game...and isn't that what you should be doing anyway?
Games are supposed to be played as something that is enjoyable, so if you enjoy ESO...just play it and have fun!
The CP's will take care of themselves
Well at 1 CP a day if you want to take years to reach the cap and you're fine with that and you're fine with groups kicking you or refusing to take you in the first place for being at low CP's, that's your prerogative but the longer it takes for people to catch up to 501 and soon 531 cp, the longer it'll take for the cap to ever raise again.
Frankly after enlightenment is consumed, it's not worth questing anymore questing becomes not a very good way to get xp when its 8k xp a quest instead of 32k.
So the way most people actually reached 501, was by grinding cyrodiil delves in a group with xp pots/scrolls on. But the majority of people who play the game, don't find that fun, so it takes them longer to reach 501.
im at 700 cp, i started on xbox launch day and i leveled up 8 characters to vet 16 (before db release) through questing, dungeons, writs & pvp - were not all sewer/orsinium/crackwood grinders0 -
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✭puffytheslayer wrote: »I see no reason to make changes at this time.
It's an MMO...you need to spend the time playing the game.
It's already quite easy to get to the cap if you just play the game...and isn't that what you should be doing anyway?
Games are supposed to be played as something that is enjoyable, so if you enjoy ESO...just play it and have fun!
The CP's will take care of themselves
Well at 1 CP a day if you want to take years to reach the cap and you're fine with that and you're fine with groups kicking you or refusing to take you in the first place for being at low CP's, that's your prerogative but the longer it takes for people to catch up to 501 and soon 531 cp, the longer it'll take for the cap to ever raise again.
Frankly after enlightenment is consumed, it's not worth questing anymore questing becomes not a very good way to get xp when its 8k xp a quest instead of 32k.
So the way most people actually reached 501, was by grinding cyrodiil delves in a group with xp pots/scrolls on. But the majority of people who play the game, don't find that fun, so it takes them longer to reach 501.
im at 700 cp, i started on xbox launch day and i leveled up 8 characters to vet 16 (before db release) through questing, dungeons, writs & pvp - were not all sewer/orsinium/crackwood grinders
Not all, but must, and the people who got there fastest, and most likely the people who complain most about the cap only going up 30 points, are grinders.1 -
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Well at 1 CP a day if you want to take years to reach the cap and you're fine with that and you're fine with groups kicking you or refusing to take you in the first place for being at low CP's, that's your prerogative but the longer it takes for people to catch up to 501 and soon 531 cp, the longer it'll take for the cap to ever raise again.
Frankly after enlightenment is consumed, it's not worth questing anymore questing becomes not a very good way to get xp when its 8k xp a quest instead of 32k.
So the way most people actually reached 501, was by grinding cyrodiil delves in a group with xp pots/scrolls on. But the majority of people who play the game, don't find that fun, so it takes them longer to reach 501.
I have to respectfully disagree my friend.
Granted I've been playing since the start on PC, and I very much enjoy the game...so I play as much as I can, but getting champion points is really not that hard. It just takes time. I'm sitting on 647 cp's on my main account (I'd have many more but I enjoy rolling alts) and 340ish on my second account. All of the 340ish cp's on my second account came from leveling 2 characters to VR16 (when that was still a thing ) and that was from just doing quests.
I guess too each his or her own, but I don't think it should be easy to get to the "most powerful" setups without putting in some time learning the ropes first.
So what if I'm at the cap...I'm still not the best player out there (and I never will be), but that's not why I log into ESO every free chance I get.
To get better...yes.
To spend time with friends...of course!
To enjoy the wonders of Tamriel...no doubt.
To worry about how many cp's I have...HELL NO!
Mostly I log onto ESO as much as I can...to have fun
I guess I just wish that players could just learnt to have a little more fun in the moment...and stress about the min/max stuff a little less cause life is just too darned short.PC NACharacters formally known as Veteran 16:
Wldkarde, Sir WldKarde , Lil-Miss WldKarde,
Dame WldKarde Stamplar "Master Angler" "Main" ,
Shady WldKarde, WldKarde"s Bacon, Jaded WldKarde,
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Smileybones✭✭✭✭If people in your guild deny you runs because of how many CP you have, it may be time to look for a better guild.
As for people denying you runs when pugging because of how many CP you have, well I'm not sure you want to interact socially with such persons.4 -
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✭I see no reason to make changes at this time.
It's an MMO...you need to spend the time playing the game.
It's already quite easy to get to the cap if you just play the game...and isn't that what you should be doing anyway?
Games are supposed to be played as something that is enjoyable, so if you enjoy ESO...just play it and have fun!
The CP's will take care of themselves
Well at 1 CP a day if you want to take years to reach the cap and you're fine with that and you're fine with groups kicking you or refusing to take you in the first place for being at low CP's, that's your prerogative but the longer it takes for people to catch up to 501 and soon 531 cp, the longer it'll take for the cap to ever raise again.
Frankly after enlightenment is consumed, it's not worth questing anymore questing becomes not a very good way to get xp when its 8k xp a quest instead of 32k.
So the way most people actually reached 501, was by grinding cyrodiil delves in a group with xp pots/scrolls on. But the majority of people who play the game, don't find that fun, so it takes them longer to reach 501.
1. What ive noticed is that people normally requesting for 501 CP DPS/heals/tanks are along these lines ---> LF1M vet____ helm farm only high CP experienced please, or LF2M Tank/DPS for vWGT/ICP etc etc... These are speed/farm/achieve runs in which people have limited time to do something (get a helm or get an achieve etc) They are not interested in carrying or teaching people progression runs. Use group finder, or group up with guildies who are willing to teach you. Nothing to do with CP.
2. Nope. Im close to 600 now and I got them all while levelling. I have 6 toons at max level in max gold gear. No grinding involved. Just naturally levelling/grinding alts for levels. CP just came along as I played. Also I do 32 crafting dailies a day. You'd be surprised at how much CP exp those give not to mention crap tons of gold lol.(2)V16 Dk- stam dps/stam tank/mag dps
(2)V16 Sorc- mag dps/stam dps
(2)V16 nb- stam dps/mag dps
(1)v16 temp- mag tank/mag dps
CP: 610 and counting
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Well at 1 CP a day if you want to take years to reach the cap and you're fine with that and you're fine with groups kicking you or refusing to take you in the first place for being at low CP's, that's your prerogative but the longer it takes for people to catch up to 501 and soon 531 cp, the longer it'll take for the cap to ever raise again.
Frankly after enlightenment is consumed, it's not worth questing anymore questing becomes not a very good way to get xp when its 8k xp a quest instead of 32k.
So the way most people actually reached 501, was by grinding cyrodiil delves in a group with xp pots/scrolls on. But the majority of people who play the game, don't find that fun, so it takes them longer to reach 501.
I have to respectfully disagree my friend.
Granted I've been playing since the start on PC, and I very much enjoy the game...so I play as much as I can, but getting champion points is really not that hard. It just takes time. I'm sitting on 647 cp's on my main account (I'd have many more but I enjoy rolling alts) and 340ish on my second account. All of the 340ish cp's on my second account came from leveling 2 characters to VR16 (when that was still a thing ) and that was from just doing quests.
I guess too each his or her own, but I don't think it should be easy to get to the "most powerful" setups without putting in some time learning the ropes first.
So what if I'm at the cap...I'm still not the best player out there (and I never will be), but that's not why I log into ESO every free chance I get.
To get better...yes.
To spend time with friends...of course!
To enjoy the wonders of Tamriel...no doubt.
To worry about how many cp's I have...HELL NO!
Mostly I log onto ESO as much as I can...to have fun
I guess I just wish that players could just learnt to have a little more fun in the moment...and stress about the min/max stuff a little less cause life is just too darned short.
Well then don't complain when the cap sits at 531 for at least a year. Because it won't go up much as long as people are lagging behind.0 -
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✭✭I got a lot of my CP when each point cost 400k. The adjusted amount of xp needed now makes getting CP really easy if you are under the cap. You don't need added enlightenment on top of that. You shouldn't be able to max CP as fast as you want.PC/EU DC2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The higher the cap goes, the less XP is required to get the lower CPs. That is the catch-up mechanic.UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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lardvader✭✭✭✭✭CP is nearly the only thing except the skills to level after you hit lvl50. And it's easy to earn them.
It took me nearly 2 years from playing the beta to actually play the real game. I startet January the 10th 2016 and I reach CP cap 2 days ago. With the reasent changes over the last months I think it will take you even less.
I earn a point a day just playing a couple of hours after work. Sometimes 2 points. If you play through most of the weekend you should get a lot more.
Edit: Never grinded for CP. I grinded my first vet to v16 and then 7 other characters to lvl. 50 before DB. Not grinded since (and hopefully never again ) Edited by lardvader on July 8, 2016 12:09PMCP 1200+ PC EU EP0 -
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✭✭puffytheslayer wrote: »I see no reason to make changes at this time.
It's an MMO...you need to spend the time playing the game.
It's already quite easy to get to the cap if you just play the game...and isn't that what you should be doing anyway?
Games are supposed to be played as something that is enjoyable, so if you enjoy ESO...just play it and have fun!
The CP's will take care of themselves
Well at 1 CP a day if you want to take years to reach the cap and you're fine with that and you're fine with groups kicking you or refusing to take you in the first place for being at low CP's, that's your prerogative but the longer it takes for people to catch up to 501 and soon 531 cp, the longer it'll take for the cap to ever raise again.
Frankly after enlightenment is consumed, it's not worth questing anymore questing becomes not a very good way to get xp when its 8k xp a quest instead of 32k.
So the way most people actually reached 501, was by grinding cyrodiil delves in a group with xp pots/scrolls on. But the majority of people who play the game, don't find that fun, so it takes them longer to reach 501.
im at 700 cp, i started on xbox launch day and i leveled up 8 characters to vet 16 (before db release) through questing, dungeons, writs & pvp - were not all sewer/orsinium/crackwood grinders
Not all, but must, and the people who got there fastest, and most likely the people who complain most about the cap only going up 30 points, are grinders.
You don't help your case by trying to pigeonhole people simply to imply that people like you need special treatment.
Like many others here I am over 501 simply by logging in, doing quests, gathering craft stuff, doing dungeons/trials/dailes and playing PvP... no need to grind at all as this system has been around well over a year.
Personally, if we are stereotyping, I don't see why my progression should be delayed by slackersEdited by Tavore1138 on July 8, 2016 11:58AM4 -
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✭Before DB hit, I was around 280 something and was increased to 335 after DB installation. Now, I'm just getting into the 430s. That have some hard grinding work going around everyday doing the same repeated dailies and dungeons, rounds and rounds of dolmen, opening tons of treasure chests and killing beasties and baddies over and over again just to get enough XPs to get the CP. I welcome any new faster ways of getting XPs and CPs!!!0 -
Niastissa✭✭✭When I came back I was CP22. A few weeks later I'm CP144 and 25% of the way to CP145. I quest and do runs with my guild.
The PVE aspects are fine. Maybe a little too easy. I was doing CP100 content at CP22. From there I have been doing CP150 and CP160 content the entire time and plowing through the content. The only thing remotely hard was the harvester boss that brought the prince back to life and I still beat that one 30 champion points under her level in CP10 purple gear. I've since made some newer gear but it's nothing special.
The PVP aspects not so fine. I get my butt kicked because the scaling is only scaling base stats and only to CP150. My solution there is to avoid the PVP aspects for the most part. Until I can actually make a dent and not just get two shotted it isn't any fun.
However the speed I am getting CP points seems pretty fast to me. This morning alone I got two champion points from questing for 90 minutes. I estimate that when I go to bed tonight after playing a few more hours in the eying I'll be at least at CP146.
Getting one champion point a day baffles me.Edited by Niastissa on July 8, 2016 12:47PM0 -
Crowzer✭✭✭I'm at 307. Take one year hatius after reach VR14, back on game a week after DB release.
And after did all DLC stories, quests, maps, POI, etc... I have to grind like as a brainless to get CP, I would like to do the dailies but it take ages to reach a single CP.
For example, instead of 200.000 XP to get a CP, the required XP will be at 199.990 ? WOW DAT catch-up mechanic.The higher the cap goes, the less XP is required to get the lower CPs. That is the catch-up mechanic.Edited by Crowzer on July 8, 2016 12:53PM0 -
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✭✭✭You are aware you can gain CPs without enlightenment, right?BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
Niastissa✭✭✭I'm at 307. Take one year hatius after reach VR14. I have to grind like as a brainless to get CP, I would like to do the dailies but it take ages to reach a single CP.The higher the cap goes, the less XP is required to get the lower CPs. That is the catch-up mechanic.
For example, instead of 200.000 XP to get a CP, it will be at 199.990 ? WOW DAT catch-up mechanic.
200,000 XP is nothing. Do quests. Kill mobs as you go. Be efficient with your time. Pick up all the quests in a zone and then do them all and turn them all in at once. You'll save time and get more experience faster then if you go do one quest, go back turn it in and do another.
Go into random unexplored caves and clear them. Sometimes they even have hidden quests inside and some good materials and loot.0 -
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✭✭I'm at 307. Take one year hatius after reach VR14, back on game a week after DB release.
And after did all DLC stories, quests, maps, POI, etc... I have to grind like as a brainless to get CP, I would like to do the dailies but it take ages to reach a single CP.
For example, instead of 200.000 XP to get a CP, the required XP will be at 199.990 ? WOW DAT catch-up mechanic.The higher the cap goes, the less XP is required to get the lower CPs. That is the catch-up mechanic.
It used to be 400k for each CP, how is reducing that number until you are near the cap not a good catch up mechanic?PC/EU DC0 -
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I edited my post. I played from beta to the day they put CP system. And this time I did everything.I'm at 307. Take one year hatius after reach VR14. I have to grind like as a brainless to get CP, I would like to do the dailies but it take ages to reach a single CP.The higher the cap goes, the less XP is required to get the lower CPs. That is the catch-up mechanic.
For example, instead of 200.000 XP to get a CP, it will be at 199.990 ? WOW DAT catch-up mechanic.
200,000 XP is nothing. Do quests. Kill mobs as you go. Be efficient with your time. Pick up all the quests in a zone and then do them all and turn them all in at once. You'll save time and get more experience faster then if you go do one quest, go back turn it in and do another.
Go into random unexplored caves and clear them. Sometimes they even have hidden quests inside and some good materials and loot.
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