Gap Closers - Reportable or Acceptable?

Cazzy · July 2016

Edit: I know this is a touchy subject but please keep comments civil and constructive

Thought I'd play some PvP as it's been a while since I attempted the real stuff. Wow, I can see what people are saying about gap closers

I don't remember it being that bad before (or at all!). I have a teleportation strike on my Nightblade but chose to disable it in PvP.

Now, my question is - has this actually been confirmed as an exploit and therefore reportable? Or is this just an acceptable method of attack?

Edit: Forgot to mention I record everything, so there's no escape

Pomaikai · July 2016

Officially reportable as of today. Now whether ZOS will do jack or squat about your report is a whole other thing...

Cazzy · July 2016

Pomaikai wrote: »

Officially reportable as of today. Now whether ZOS will do jack or squat about your report is a whole other thing...

OK, cool. I have 6 names so far!

yodased · July 2016

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/277040/update-zenimax-official-statment-of-gap-closers-being-an-exploit-in-here#latest

Voxicity · July 2016

Jessica confirmed it was an exploit and indeed reportable just after DB dropped on PC, but even with clear video evidence nothing happens about it anyway

vyndral13preub18_ESO · July 2016

Both. ZOS has says it is an exploit, so reportable. They have never done anything about it, so acceptable.

Rohamad_Ali · July 2016

I think they're saying today , they're gonna start doing something about it . Don't be dumb and lose your account to a guess .

svartorn · July 2016

If ZOS was gonna fix it they would have by now.

Thevorpal1 · July 2016

Report.

shadow071179 · July 2016

Why is it a exploit if almost everyone can do it.

Pomaikai · July 2016

shadow071179 wrote: »

Why is it a exploit if almost everyone can do it.

Because the people who designed the game said so.

There doesn't need to be ANY other reason. Ever.

psychotic13 · July 2016

I'd rather if they sort out this Xbox problem with ESO plus, we're all paying for it and not receiving it! Absolute joke, but hey it's ZOS they have better things to do like blow each other.

Cazzy · July 2016

shadow071179 wrote: »

Why is it a exploit if almost everyone can do it.

You never used to be able to do it, as far as I know.

dennissomb16_ESO · July 2016

Broken mechanic that has never been completely fixed since release (one or more abilities have been able to get into keeps at various times since release). Reporting however is pointless as no action has ever been taken against players. Eventually it will become a "feature"

Delgent · July 2016

At one time, animation cancelling was considered to be unintended, but when they couldn't fix it, it became an official "feature". Once this is deemed unfixable, it'll be another "feature" to use instead of slow sieges.

I love this game, but my faith bucket is getting low.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · July 2016

Just to be clear, are we talking about using them to get on keeps? It didnt actually say (might have been on purpose).

Report away, doubt it will do much.

In other news, not totally sure this is that big of a deal. I can see it being a problem if an Emp or someone really good at 1vX is doing it i suppsose. This has happened to me a few times on accident, usually ambushing through a door. It usually doesnt accomplish much because you are likely wildly out numbered with no place to go. haha

Averya_Teira · July 2016

I don't get this topic. Gap closers as In skills that charge the enemy are exploits ? When it's the point of the skill ?

What ?

Cazzy · July 2016

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Just to be clear, are we talking about using them to get on keeps?

Good point. Surely that's just as bad? I mean, you're jumping a necessary stage of taking a keep and avoiding the intended method of attack.

clayandaudrey_ESO · July 2016

From another thread.

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

LastAmbushOnEarth wrote: »

XDragonDoomX wrote: »

LastAmbushOnEarth wrote: »

you will never got a ban for jumping to the keep walls

im doing it every day

and i feel myself very safe agains any bans

please ZOS, show me your hammer lol

but you will not
because you cant

i dont care what you said
but for me its intended mechanics and i will continue to play like that, to use gapclosers and jump to walls
until it will not be nerfed

I hope you get your wish. It's not intended mechanics. ZoS have already stated that gaining entry to a keep without sieging is an exploit.

not fixed for 2 years of game - intended
will be nerfed - okay
until this all pvp player will use it like me

maybe zos said its not intended
well, i dont care

but its logically and obviously looks very natural for me
i have a skill to jump for big distance
im using it to up on the big wall

nothing against the nature of pvp, nothing against game atmosphere and logic

OK. ZoS did say it was unintended.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

snip from patch notes:

Nightblade

Assassination
Teleport Strike: Fixed an issue where this ability and its morphs could be used to get on top of Keep walls.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom
Thanks for the Patch notes.

Great fix but where is the corresponding fix for DKs that are still able to get into keeps since ages?
I would really appreciate if you could discuss this with the Dev Team.

A simply question, why DKs are still allowed to jump into keeps?

It is not intended that players can completely bypass core Keep capture mechanics by leaping onto walls and into enemy Keeps. You should always have to enter enemy Keeps by taking down a door or wall - any other way is a bug. We are aware that Dragonknights have been able to do this for a while, and and are working to change it.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom acknowledges this is a bug. Using bugs knowingly in game is an exploit.

From the terms of service : section 8 Rules of Conduct

Promote, upload, transmit, encourage or take part in any activity involving hacking, cracking, phishing, taking advantage of exploits or cheats and/or distribution of counterfeit software and/or Virtual Currency or virtual items. In an effort to continuously improve the Services, You and other players discovering exploits, cheats, cracks or other inconsistencies are required to report them to ZeniMax;

All of the above from the ToS is grounds to be banned. I am not sure how it can be confusing.

Posted this from my phone. You may need to open the previous quotes to see Jessica's comment. It came from the patch notes awhile back.

Cazzy · July 2016

Excellent, thank you

I think my confusion stemmed from how many people were doing it

ZOS_JohanaB · July 2016

As posted above there is already a discussion going on about the gap closure. We try not to have duplicate conversations per our Community Rules. If you have any other insight or comments about it please post them here.