Am I good or average?

waterfairy · July 2016

I'm not trying to praise myself or anything, I'm genuinely curious if this is normal or not.

I have a CP 250 sorcerer who has mix matched purple bargain bin gear (all light except for heavy legs).
-2 pieces CP 140 Worm Cult
-3 pieces CP 140 Torugs Pact
-2 pieces CP 160 Vicious Death
-2 CP 160 Willpower rings and a non-set CP 160 necklace
-Switches between a CP 160 Willpower destro flame staff and Willpower resto staff

I don't use any shields after the DB update, don't have any Alliance skills, no Mages Guild skills and only use the Clannfear pet.

Ok with this setup, I'm wondering if it's a feat to take him to a Craglorn group delve solo and beat it without dying? After reading the thread about being ready for vMSA, I'm thinking maybe this is something I can do sooner then planned (I was going to wait until my CP was at least 300 and I had better gear).

I know some of you are probably scoffing with your CP 501's being able to sleepwalk through a group delve but I'm half that level with mediocre gear.

Lysette · July 2016

I have no clue about these sets and stuff - but I would answer it from a different perspective - if you have to ask, if you are good, then you aren't.

Ragnaarok · July 2016

Without being rude, I'd completely rule out vMSA until you have atleast 400+ CP, and fully golded out cp160 weapons and armour and have a good understanding for the mechanics of it

waterfairy · July 2016

Lysette wrote: »

I have no clue about these sets and stuff - but I would answer it from a different perspective - if you have to ask, if you are good, then you aren't.

haha good point. The only thing that made me think I had skills was a friend needed help to beat the same delve and he's got much better equipment then I. I also helped out a random player who was outside the delve saying that he got destroyed by the first mob group you encounter within.

waterfairy · July 2016

Ragnaarok wrote: »

Without being rude, I'd completely rule out vMSA until you have atleast 400+ CP, and fully golded out cp160 weapons and armour and have a good understanding for the mechanics of it

That was the original plan...I didn't want to go in their with my purple rags and fancy sticks

leepalmer95 · July 2016

Vigarr wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

I have no clue about these sets and stuff - but I would answer it from a different perspective - if you have to ask, if you are good, then you aren't.

haha good point. The only thing that made me think I had skills was a friend needed help to beat the same delve and he's got much better equipment then I. I also helped out a random player who was outside the delve saying that he got destroyed by the first mob group you encounter within.

isn't craglorn a v12 zone.

Pve is stupidly easy in this game to the point where you can equip and weapon and complete the main story naked.

Insomnia rex · July 2016

lower crag delves (cp110 mobs) should be possible, higher crag delves(cp130 mobs) could prove impossible with your setup (f.e. you won't solo the exarch like this, i promise)

I second @Lysette ^^

regarding vMA, i think a good point to start is when you can comfortably solo normal dungeons (just pick one or two you like)

Wollust · July 2016

You'd be better off if you would just craft yourself 5 pieces of Julianos and 3 pieces Magnus or so. And then try to get a Willpower necklace. They are not expensive afaik. You could go with a healthy one for the time being.

waterfairy · July 2016

Insomnia rex wrote: »

lower crag delves (cp110 mobs) should be possible, higher crag delves(cp130 mobs) could prove impossible with your setup (f.e. you won't solo the exarch like this, i promise)

I second @Lysette ^^

regarding vMA, i think a good point to start is when you can comfortably solo normal dungeons (just pick one or two you like)

Trying normal dungeons solo sounds like a good way to test my mettle, thanks.

A few months back when this character was VR 2 and had around 100 CP I was in a 3 man group (VR 16 and VR 4) and we did a vet dungeon scaled to the group leader (VR 16). I was doubling as damage dealer and healer.

Eshelmen · July 2016

I think you should work on your gear a bit more.

Can you specify where your gear is allocated?
Which slots are used for which gear?

Scrap that willpower resto. it's only a 3 piece bonus set. Keep willpower for jewelry only. Craft a resto turog instead.

Go to IC and farm bloody claws and get that last CP160 arcane willpower necklace that you need

I personally like 5 Julianos(or Kags) 3 turag(dw/ head) or 2 (desto, head and resto)1 Molag Kena (shoulders) with arcane willpower jewelry for my maelstrom runs.

I don't think your set up is ideal for vMA. But then again, that's just me.

LadyNalcarya · July 2016

Youre gear setup is very weird, youre losing a lot of stats this way.
I'd recommend to ask someone to craft you 5 pieces Twice-Born star (with Thief+Shadow munduses) or 5 pieces Julianos (with Thief mundus) + 3 Magnus. Also Willpower necklaces are not expensive, you can buy Arcane one for 18k gold or something, healthy ones are much cheaper. And you can get a healthy Willpower necklace for free, as a reward for White-Gold Tower quest, even in normal version afaik.

daemonios · July 2016

Too much mixing'n'matching IMO. Julianos is a crafted set that you can make with any traits (hint: you'll be wanting divines). Go for 5x Julianos. Getting 3x Willpower jewellery would free up the weapons for another set bonus, so I'd recommend getting them as well. It's important that they're all Arcane for the +magicka bonus. You can then go for a 3x bonus from another set, or get a 2x monster set (head+ shoulder) and just any weapon, or 2 separate monster pieces and any old weapon (monster sets have 1x bonus, unlike other gear, but I wouldn't recommend it because you'll lose out on the powerful 2x bonus).

For Craglorn you don't really need maxed out, best in slot gear, although that will help you solo the harder challenges such as the arena in the Rahni'Za School of Warriors.

KimberlyannKitsuragi · July 2016

I personally keep tweaking my gear. Like I want bonuses but at the same time when I look at the armor protection level (since I rarely use potions) I usually make sure to have the highest protection value. I should be wearing all medium armor but I mix and match to level the sets

CasNation · July 2016

To all those commenting on his gear setup...I think you are missing the point. He knows that the gear is bad. He is wondering if being able to clear a delve with that gear is indicative of skill level.

To answer the question: lower craglorn is scaled pretty low compared to you. While they are harder than normal delves, they still only throw about 6 enemis at you at a time, which makes no difference because most aoe abilities target 6 things.

Short answer, you can consider yourself good, but that is because the average in this game is pretty low. I would also consider myself good, but I have never completed vMA. You should be shooting for the "excellent" category before taking on vMA.

cyclonus11 · July 2016

Lysette wrote: »

I have no clue about these sets and stuff - but I would answer it from a different perspective - if you have to ask, if you are good, then you aren't.

I do not agree with this. Some of the best people at what they do second guess themselves all the time. It's how they get good.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · July 2016

Comparing a Craglorn Delve to VMA is probably a mistake. They are night and day. Also, not a fan of your gear. It is overly complicated trying to put a bunch of 2 and 3 piece bonuses together. Get yourself a solid 5 piece like Julianos or TBS and go from there. Finally, you don't need 400 CP to run VMA. The only reason you need CP in there is to sustain. There are plenty of ways to take care of that. CP helps, but once you have about 250 or so, its perfectly doable.

starkerealm · July 2016

meri20098 wrote: »

I personally keep tweaking my gear. Like I want bonuses but at the same time when I look at the armor protection level (since I rarely use potions) I usually make sure to have the highest protection value. I should be wearing all medium armor but I mix and match to level the sets

If you're leveling, that's fine, but once you're trying to put together an endgame loadout, you'll probably want to iron out your gear and pick a consistent set to work with.

Personally, even when I'm leveling, I'll usually craft gear only when I'm jumping to a new material tier (4/16/24/36/44/and now V16, which saves me from crafting all those various vet tiers).

Full matched 5pc sets vastly outweigh the benefits you'd get from scavenging drops for slightly better drops. Of course, I'm doing this with a maxed 9 trait crafter, so I can actually make the really useful sets (like Hunding's Rage, Seducer's, ect) or interesting and amusing sets (like Twice-Born Star) on a whim. If you haven't finished your six trait sets, it's entirely understandable if this isn't an option for you.

waterfairy · July 2016

CasNation wrote: »

To all those commenting on his gear setup...I think you are missing the point. He knows that the gear is bad. He is wondering if being able to clear a delve with that gear is indicative of skill level.
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Exactly.

I'm using what I can loot and buy for a reasonable price now as I'm not yet at 6 traits for everything in blacksmithing, clothing, and woodworking so I can't craft full sets of Julianos and the like. Also it costs a ton of materials to craft 160CP gear which I've already burned through several stacks crafting for my main.

kadar · July 2016

Ragnaarok wrote: »

Without being rude, I'd completely rule out vMSA until you have atleast 400+ CP, and fully golded out cp160 weapons and armour and have a good understanding for the mechanics of it

vMSA was designed for players with ~300CP.

CherryCake · July 2016

You`re good for me bro! *uplifting eso music*

kylewwefan · July 2016

I would look into making a v14 5 piece set of seducer until you can make julianos. Its only like 3 trait and still great for a magic user.

nimander99 · July 2016

Neither man... Your AMAZING!

LadyNalcarya · July 2016

@meri20098 wrote: »

I personally keep tweaking my gear. Like I want bonuses but at the same time when I look at the armor protection level (since I rarely use potions) I usually make sure to have the highest protection value. I should be wearing all medium armor but I mix and match to level the sets

Well, max mitigation value you can reach will only offer you 50% mitigation and you would need ~33000 armor and spell resistance to get it. Its not like in Skyrim.
So unless you are a tank, it makes more sense to invest in damage, crit % and max magicka/stamina, so you will be able to kill enemies before they have a chance to hurt your character.

And for vMA offense is the best defense.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · July 2016

starkerealm wrote: »

meri20098 wrote: »

I personally keep tweaking my gear. Like I want bonuses but at the same time when I look at the armor protection level (since I rarely use potions) I usually make sure to have the highest protection value. I should be wearing all medium armor but I mix and match to level the sets

If you're leveling, that's fine, but once you're trying to put together an endgame loadout, you'll probably want to iron out your gear and pick a consistent set to work with.

Personally, even when I'm leveling, I'll usually craft gear only when I'm jumping to a new material tier (4/16/24/36/44/and now V16, which saves me from crafting all those various vet tiers).

Full matched 5pc sets vastly outweigh the benefits you'd get from scavenging drops for slightly better drops. Of course, I'm doing this with a maxed 9 trait crafter, so I can actually make the really useful sets (like Hunding's Rage, Seducer's, ect) or interesting and amusing sets (like Twice-Born Star) on a whim. If you haven't finished your six trait sets, it's entirely understandable if this isn't an option for you.

Interesting how hundings and seducer are deemed useful sets and TBS is described as interesting and amusing. You do realize that TBS is the best DPS set in the game for almost any build (Stam or magic) for end game content, and is highly useful in the Arena. Probably not best in slot for arena, but it is my personal favorite.

mobicera · July 2016

The fact that you could even ask means you actually are most likely better than average (for gear/experience level)
The fact that you asked means you have the potential to do anything you set your mind too within this game. My advice try whatever you want whays the worst that can happen, you die and get to try again?
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KimberlyannKitsuragi · July 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

@meri20098 wrote: »

I personally keep tweaking my gear. Like I want bonuses but at the same time when I look at the armor protection level (since I rarely use potions) I usually make sure to have the highest protection value. I should be wearing all medium armor but I mix and match to level the sets

Well, max mitigation value you can reach will only offer you 50% mitigation and you would need ~33000 armor and spell resistance to get it. Its not like in Skyrim.
So unless you are a tank, it makes more sense to invest in damage, crit % and max magicka/stamina, so you will be able to kill enemies before they have a chance to hurt your character.
And for vMA offense is the best defense.

I'm still trying stuff out and I'm not sure I quite understand. I want to learn how to craft my own stuff but I'm not quite sure how without wasting tons of resources doing T&E

Oreyn_Bearclaw · July 2016

meri20098 wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

@meri20098 wrote: »

I personally keep tweaking my gear. Like I want bonuses but at the same time when I look at the armor protection level (since I rarely use potions) I usually make sure to have the highest protection value. I should be wearing all medium armor but I mix and match to level the sets

Well, max mitigation value you can reach will only offer you 50% mitigation and you would need ~33000 armor and spell resistance to get it. Its not like in Skyrim.
So unless you are a tank, it makes more sense to invest in damage, crit % and max magicka/stamina, so you will be able to kill enemies before they have a chance to hurt your character.
And for vMA offense is the best defense.

I'm still trying stuff out and I'm not sure I quite understand. I want to learn how to craft my own stuff but I'm not quite sure how without wasting tons of resources doing T&E

As for crafting your own stuff, there is no secret to it. Just start researching items that you pick up. Spend the skill points to be able to craft multiple items at a time. Focus on useful traits like Divines, impenetrable, etc.

As for armor values, unless you are specifically trying to tank group content, dont give them a second thought, at least not at first. If you focus on magic, wear 5 pieces of light armor, if you focus on stamina, wear 5 pieces of medium armor. For PVE at least, it is really hard to go wrong with Julianos for light armor and Hundings for medium. Both of these sets give a lot of crit, so maybe not the best for PVP, but you could do a lot worse. They are the baseline stat boosting sets that are hard to beat. Start there and get creative how you build around them. Once you refine your build a bit, you might opt for something different. Save for tanking, all content is approachable with one of these two sets.

The standard way to build is chose a 5 piece set (julianos or hundings) and get the corresponding Willpower (magic) or Agility (Stamina) for your 3 jewelry pieces. Make the set piece out of your armor (not head or shoulders). This leaves flexibility for crafting around your main set or using monster pieces and VMA weapons. A good 4 pieces crafted set for magic is Magnus, and Morkuldin for Stamina users. Not saying these are the best in slot, but a magic user with 5 Julianos, 3 willpower, and 4 magnus cant blame their gear if they suck. haha

Shader_Shibes · July 2016

Ragnaarok wrote: »

Without being rude, I'd completely rule out vMSA until you have atleast 400+ CP, and fully golded out cp160 weapons and armour and have a good understanding for the mechanics of it

I done it with 300cp, vet15 gear a while ago on my wifes account. However i do know the mechanics etc.

Elara_Northwind · July 2016

Don't let anyone tell you that you are not good. If you feel good about what you do, then that is great in itself, and if you are feeling strong enough to try vma then just try it out, if you die, its no biggie. I know a beautiful lady who completed it with only 268 cps, and she is also a sorcerer who has never used shields, even before DB

DRXHarbinger · July 2016

Vigarr wrote: »

I'm not trying to praise myself or anything, I'm genuinely curious if this is normal or not.

I have a CP 250 sorcerer who has mix matched purple bargain bin gear (all light except for heavy legs).
-2 pieces CP 140 Worm Cult
-3 pieces CP 140 Torugs Pact
-2 pieces CP 160 Vicious Death
-2 CP 160 Willpower rings and a non-set CP 160 necklace
-Switches between a CP 160 Willpower destro flame staff and Willpower resto staff

I don't use any shields after the DB update, don't have any Alliance skills, no Mages Guild skills and only use the Clannfear pet.

Ok with this setup, I'm wondering if it's a feat to take him to a Craglorn group delve solo and beat it without dying? After reading the thread about being ready for vMSA, I'm thinking maybe this is something I can do sooner then planned (I was going to wait until my CP was at least 300 and I had better gear).

I know some of you are probably scoffing with your CP 501's being able to sleepwalk through a group delve but I'm half that level with mediocre gear.

The Scaled court in Craglorn will rek you. If you can actually clear the group delve with this lot in it you may do VMA imo but they hit very hard and there are lots of them. It's a good solo test going in there. I forget what's it's called but it's north east of Dragonstar and before Sanctum...but I doubt you'll get through it. Gear is way to weak. Even my most beasty toon gets a pounding in there. Full of unresistable damage spamming mages that ignore your ward.

clayandaudrey_ESO · July 2016

Lysette wrote: »

I have no clue about these sets and stuff - but I would answer it from a different perspective - if you have to ask, if you are good, then you aren't.

What a troll answer. For someone who used to make some sense you are becoming less credible.

Good for you for asking and trying to get better op.