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Players with Cross faction attitudes have the wrong spirit for 3 faction PvP
Bromburak
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When ZOS says that "One Tamriel" has no impact on Cyrodiil it's actually not true and here is why.
The amount of cross faction players acting like spies or help other factions in farming APs or flip keeps is alarming.
And the way how ESO supports them is pretty bad, such players not only use whisper or TS , they are following stealthers
from their own faction just to show other factions where everyone is hiding etc..
Seriously, how can you screw over your own faction like that on a daily basis? It's ridiculous.
That such players have no faction pride is one thing but their obvious non existing team spirit is the worst of all.
How can a PvP system support such cross faction noobs?
It's ok to have friends in other factions and you can PvE as much as you like within other factions.
Just don't bring your social real life into Cyrodiil, because your cross faction mentality has nothing todo with 3 faction PvP.
@ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
We cannot avoid spies but at least you should improve your campaign system that doesn't allow players joining the same campaign on different factions on the same account.
Please discuss this before "One Tamriel" hits the server because "cross faction friends" are rising and will have impact on Cyrodiil.
The amount of cross faction players acting like spies or help other factions in farming APs or flip keeps is alarming.
And the way how ESO supports them is pretty bad, such players not only use whisper or TS , they are following stealthers
from their own faction just to show other factions where everyone is hiding etc..
Seriously, how can you screw over your own faction like that on a daily basis? It's ridiculous.
That such players have no faction pride is one thing but their obvious non existing team spirit is the worst of all.
How can a PvP system support such cross faction noobs?
It's ok to have friends in other factions and you can PvE as much as you like within other factions.
Just don't bring your social real life into Cyrodiil, because your cross faction mentality has nothing todo with 3 faction PvP.
@ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
We cannot avoid spies but at least you should improve your campaign system that doesn't allow players joining the same campaign on different factions on the same account.
Please discuss this before "One Tamriel" hits the server because "cross faction friends" are rising and will have impact on Cyrodiil.
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KenaPKK✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭"Boo hoo real life war doesn't have spies and alliances, so we shouldn't either. I want to play ESO in a vacuum."
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I see so much less of this behavior on a daily basis than you make there out to be anyway. The scores are close on competitive campaigns too, so what's it even changing? The game is above all a social game. Play with everyone; fight everyone; be friends with everyone who aren't tools. Profit.Edited by KenaPKK on July 4, 2016 9:03AM9 -
KisoValley✭✭✭✭✭
Campaigns dominated by 1 alliance (Ebony & Haderus on EU PC for example) are dead for a reason. I agree with Kena 100%."Boo hoo real life war doesn't have spies and alliances, so we shouldn't either. I want to play ESO in a vacuum."
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I see so much less of this behavior on a daily basis than you make there out to be anyway. The scores are close on competitive campaigns too, so what's it even changing? The game is above all a social game. Play with everyone; fight everyone; be friends with everyone who aren't tools. Profit.Edited by KisoValley on July 4, 2016 9:35AM2 -
Bromburak✭✭✭✭✭
TL;DR: I suck at PvP so blame spies.
If you need to make use of the described behavior apparently you are a bad loser.
However, this thread is about the idea of 3 faction PvP and not about player skill.
Since you have no arguments it's off topic.Edited by Bromburak on July 4, 2016 9:59AM7 -
Lord_Hev✭✭✭✭✭
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The decision to allow any alt to access any server was a recent deliberate change after majority request. Spies are a myth created by sore losers like you, or faction purists. ZOS not going to restrict people from freedom of choice. Deal with it.10 -
KenaPKK✭✭✭✭✭
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The decision to allow any alt to access any server was a recent deliberate change after majority request. Spies are a myth created by sore losers like you, or faction purists. ZOS not going to restrict people from freedom of choice. Deal with it.
I mean...spies to exist. They just don't influence much. Like what exactly is there to even spy on that makes a difference...? lol4 -
Bromburak✭✭✭✭✭Boo hoo real life war doesn't have spies and alliances, so we shouldn't either.
A nice try but bad excuse to justify the attitude of cross faction players ...
We all know that their motivation is not role playing a spy they do it for profit because the game lets them even if it was
not intentional for 3 faction PvP design.Edited by Bromburak on July 4, 2016 10:10AM0 -
Vangy✭✭✭✭✭
✭I have 8 toons..... So yeah ive got no choice but to queue up some of them in the same campaigns.........(2)V16 Dk- stam dps/stam tank/mag dps
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Draxys✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭There are actually a large number of people who hop alliances to help balance out populations and keep the pvp balanced. This games pvp isn't good or popular enough anymore for spies to have a reason to stick around.2013
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Lilarna✭✭✭As much as I don't enjoy playing cross faction and never do it, I can't see how one could want to impose a certain moral attitude in the game to other people ???
If some wants to be treacherous, to pick one side and to betray people from the other side, well there's nothing we can do about it. Yes, people will play for their own profit, will be selfish. Where's the surprise or scandal in that ?
If somebody ganks you for example, there's no point in telling him "you're not honorable, you sniped me in the back out of stealth" because you'll just be describing factually what he did and that person doesn't have the same view as you on what should or should not be done.
I don't understand your take on things. It's as if you wanted to impose your vision and "morality" to all the other poeple in the game, and is af it was the only one which was valid.
And that, too. There isn't much high level strategy going on generally around the map. And if there was, adding some level of secrecy and counter-intelligence to that even adds difficulty to the whole thing; don't you think ?I mean...spies to exist. They just don't influence much. Like what exactly is there to even spy on that makes a difference...? lol
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TooskSG✭✭✭I find it funny that people who farmed friends' other faction alts (because getting AP/Emp legit is too hard, plea nerf ZoS) would deny the toxicity of non-faction locked PvP. We could also mention the drama that happens because people can just faction swap if they *** off their own team too much. Oh, let's not forget the numerous troll campers/legit spies caught since beta, e.g., [SNIP] troll camping for EG ¯\_(ツ)_/¯Edited by ZOS_PeterT on July 5, 2016 1:51PM0
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Bromburak✭✭✭✭✭
No arguments ...
Every player is responsible for his attitude and it's obvious that cross faction players have no respect when it comes to any kind of team spirit within their own faction. If you seriously think that's fine or trying to justify this with role play, then you are a pretty bad loser that needs to accept the fact that all players in your faction would ignore you for the way how you harm your faction.
Your motivation being an *** or role play doesn't matter.
Since you are a well known as traitor why would any other random player or your own guild support you?
Let me guess, now you would make a difference because as a traitor you are in a pretty bad position now when it comes to other needs depending on your faction. Basically you are nothing else than a leecher and cadger doing nothing for your faction.Edited by Bromburak on July 4, 2016 11:21AM0 -
bebynnag✭✭✭✭✭
✭i found myself in a situation where my AD teammates were revealing my location to their EP friends, and making PvP a thouroughly horrid place to be (abuse over area chat etc)
did i whine? - yes a bit.
Did i make a DC character, kill a bunch of them and eventually earn Emperorship, and kill them a bunch more, thus making myself feel thoroughly better about the situation? HELL YES!2 -
kevlarto_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yea the spirit of three faction warfare in this game was lost a long time ago, really has nothing to do with spies and the like, but being able to change factions in the same campaign so willy-nilly, just takes away any kind of campaign pride or faction pride, I play with my friends we are all in the same faction, if I wanted to fight against them, they have a guest campaign, which is perfect for that.
The excessive amount of collusion and factions swapping is just as unhealthy for long term pvp as much as the lag and the cheating. I really hope Camelot Unchained turns out to be a good game, in that game if you want to faction swap you will have to buy another account and pay another sub, I know there will be people that do that but it wont be so game crippling like it is here in ESO. I have pvp'ed for many years in many kinds of games from mmo pvp to first person shooter pvp, pvp here in ESO can be great and fun and can be a disappointment all in the same day.
The ship has sailed here in ESO it is what it is, I just make the best of it until something else comes along.Edited by kevlarto_ESO on July 4, 2016 10:49AM2 -
Wollust✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Gtfo here with stupid faction pride and all that crap.
Just accept the fact that there are people who just want good fights and don't give a *** about campaigns and scores and roleplaying faction purists.
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KenaPKK✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Wow, Wollust, even if I agreed with you, I am repelled by your aggressive disrespect.
Get a backbone honestly. Faction purist bs like this thread risk influencing ZOS' decision making. We can't risk that. It'd be only harmful to PvP.
Imagine if tomorrow ZOS announced a "you can only play on one faction ever between all of your characters" rule for PvP in response to this. It's what he wants, and it would destroy PvP.Edited by KenaPKK on July 4, 2016 12:24PM4 -
Forestd16b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Saddly the who spy mechanic is in the game and just my honest opinion does need to be looked at.I mean...spies to exist. They just don't influence much. Like what exactly is there to even spy on that makes a difference...? lol
Well what spies can do is..... tell the other faction what the plans are, inform them were the groups are at, revile stealth groups at keeps, they also allow boosting up the leader board for emperorship by letting the would be emperor kill them over and over, and finally the most terrible one that is just straight up cheating allowing the other faction to gap close on them to scale the walls of keeps and this does happen alot me, my friends, and plenty others have seen this happen on multiple occasions were the spy would stand at the edge of the keep and let the assault faction gap close their way into the keep.
So yea spies can actually do alot of damage that can hinder the faction.1 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I just look at it like sports . You can't have a competitive baseball game if one teams best players leave in the third inning to join the other team . It's no longer a competition . So it's fine what they did , just don't call it a competitive campaign anymore .5 -
Bromburak✭✭✭✭✭Imagine if tomorrow ZOS announced a "you can only play on one faction ever between all of your characters" rule for PvP in response to this. It's what he wants, and it would destroy PvP.
You should learn to read instead making assumptions.
Nobody said you can only play on one faction but ZOS needs to discuss better solutions to improve choice of campaign.
If anyone likes to play the same campaign on the same account with a different faction he can make his decision on every campaign reset. But faction hopping during campaign runtime is not really a good design for 3 faction PvP because of the cross faction aspects.
Edited by Bromburak on July 4, 2016 1:34PM0 -
FatKidHatchets✭✭✭There was once faction pride. Sadly there isn't any incentives to be this way hell most don't even care about winning the campaign they just want to CoD it up.
There are people who have alternative faction characters who cheat. This has always been a thing. However there is no way to deal with such characters. A friendly fire campaign would be cool. Make AoEs bad, and firing siege dangerous.Arena 1v1 2v2 3v3 4v4 would all be cool. Battle grounds 12v12 capture the flag, siege the keep ect.. Would be alright, although they can't even get group finder to work im not sure they could handle random ques.
All in all the game isn't what it used to be and will never be that good again. Atleast we have our memories.4 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think the whole points system is pointless along with the who won . Like I said before , it's not a true competition when players can switch teams any time during the game . I would pvp just to pvp but most wouldn't without a reward . So it's a game easily rigged by motivation for money and gear . The very same motivation that sports use to try and keep out to preserve the competitive spirit . Arenas will correct some of this but will take away from cyrodiil like all arenas do to open map pvp .
The reason for locking the faction was to keep the integrity of the game protected . It was never perfect but it's all gone now . I just fight for the battles and don't even look at the scoreboard . It's pointless to do so winning or losing because it's not a managed competition .Edited by Rohamad_Ali on July 4, 2016 1:45PM3 -
antihero727✭✭✭✭✭Wow, Wollust, even if I agreed with you, I am repelled by your aggressive disrespect.
Get a backbone honestly. Faction purist bs like this thread risk influencing ZOS' decision making. We can't risk that. It'd be only harmful to PvP.
Imagine if tomorrow ZOS announced a "you can only play on one faction ever between all of your characters" rule for PvP in response to this. It's what he wants, and it would destroy PvP.
They have already destroyed PvP with stupid sets, anti-bot programs, lag fest servers, and pointless objectives. Let's throw some gas on the bonfire.
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JamilaRaj✭✭✭✭✭
✭As much as I don't enjoy playing cross faction and never do it...
Yeah, sure, it's Spylarna doing it, right?...I can't see how one could want to impose a certain moral attitude in the game to other people ???
I can, because given it is RvR with three pre-set factions pitched against each other, either one imposes his die traitorz ethics on the other people, or will have their traitor ethics imposed on himself.
Compare with Lineage 2 (otherwise god awful game), where factions are player-made (typically clans (i.e. guilds) or either formal or informal alliances of several clans) and PvP open-world-ish. Players can switch factions as they see fit, but can not unilaterally decide to be in the same faction with you and impose that decision on you, because you can oppose/block admission of traitors to your clan and anyway could attack and kill them even if they got in (i.e. without having to defect yourself to be able to attack), though that would probably trigger some drama in clan chat.2 -
fastolfv_ESO✭✭✭✭✭while zenimax has made some questionable decisions in regards to pvp i cannot for a second believe they have made one decision for this game based on popular demand. people use that excuse to generally push an idea that only they support, like cross faction cheating being ok because you can talk to an enemy player in game. The fact that people are getting so agressive in thread over cross faction shinanigans just shows how badly they want some kind of edge over other players no matter how bad it makes them look1 -
imredneckson✭✭✭✭✭As I said on your last rant leave and when CU comes out go and stay there since you can only play one faction per account.Legions of Mordor Guild Officer
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✭✭✭✭As long as while you are playing faction A, you behave in the best interests of faction A, who cares if you also have toons that play faction B and C?2
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