How is perma stunning and spamming one button skill?

AJ_1988 · July 2016

Like the title says. All these NBs running around with 1 finger perma stunning spamming 1 attack, do people not have skill these days?

Tryxus · July 2016

Plenty of skill, just don't need all of it against some players

AJ_1988 · July 2016

Obviously not if for 5 minutes it's just one button, it's bad enough they exploit more than any other class

Vangy · July 2016

This is the same as spamming Dizzying swing against someone. If I run into a potato who i'm sure will get pwnt by spamming DS, im not gona bother using any other set of skills. Why work harder when I know one button can pwn?

Using CC's, cloak + burst is for when you are against people who know what they are doing. Against your average potato, ambush + SA SA SA + KB is enuf lol.

KingMagaw · July 2016

Immovable potion and pawn that NB. Your scenario is fine.

Try fighting someone who is solid with animation cancelling on 2h and you will know all about it. Encounter lasts about 4 seconds with them.

Tryxus · July 2016

AJ_1988 wrote: »

it's bad enough they exploit more than any other class

I loled

ColoursYouHave · July 2016

AJ_1988 wrote: »

Like the title says. All these NBs running around with 1 finger perma stunning spamming 1 attack, do people not have skill these days?

Please tell me which skill is perma stunning? I wasn't aware such a skill exists.

Molag_Crow · July 2016

Yeah on my mag Temp I've gotta LoS NBs and block like crazy because they just spam one skill and put out a ton of damage doing so, unfortunately.

Inb4 "you spam jabs" well, no... if I spammed jabs (a channel) while a NB spams an instant hard-hitting ability WHILE dodging most of my attacks due to Shuffle, I have no time to just stand there like a lemon with sweeps (even though I use Dark Flare too but get interrupted/it gets dodged most of the time,) unless of course I cc the NB and then sweep, and then they break free, fear me, spam SA some more etc etc

Most of my duels with NBs are successful though but it's REALLY difficult to 1vX when there's a NB....

Phinix1 · July 2016

These days kids spend more time and energy learning how to set up macros and install cheat programs than they do practicing becoming better at their characters. I think this is fundamentally rooted in fear and insecurity.

Psychologically, people would rather avoid the actual conflict than challenge themselves to overcome it, and it is no different in video games. Places like Cyrodiil reveal that people are cheaters by nature. They want all the rewards that come with accomplishment, but don't want to put out the effort or risk of failure that comes of actually deserving it.

So we see a huge social push on the net to "chase the meta," to constantly uncover new cheats, new exploits, new fad of the moment advantages that let them pretend to be winners in their minds, which is the only place "victory at all costs" actually looks anything like victory.

Vangy · July 2016

Phinix1 wrote: »

These days kids spend more time and energy learning how to set up macros and install cheat programs than they do practicing becoming better at their characters. I think this is fundamentally rooted in fear and insecurity.

Psychologically, people would rather avoid the actual conflict than challenge themselves to overcome it, and it is no different in video games. Places like Cyrodiil reveal that people are cheaters by nature. They want all the rewards that come with accomplishment, but don't want to put out the effort or risk of failure that comes of actually deserving it.

So we see a huge social push on the net to "chase the meta," to constantly uncover new cheats, new exploits, new fad of the moment advantages that let them pretend to be winners in their minds, which is the only place "victory at all costs" actually looks anything like victory.

Psychologically, people would rather avoid the possibility that they actually lost to someone more skilled than to train and become more skilled in video games. Places like cyrodill reveal the inner QQ that people suppress in everyday life. They want to be accomplished but don't want to put out the effort or risk of admitting that sometimes others are just more skilled.

So we see a huge social push on the net to "QQ", to constantly cry foul, claim everyone is using a macro or exploit, that lets them pretend that they didnt actually lose in their minds, which is the only place "QQ" actually looks like its okay.....

I kid... I kid... macros exist... but sometimes people need to face the possibility that they just got shrekt by someone more skilled.

Phinix1 · July 2016

LOL I see people practicing their macros all the time around Rawl'kha. Their character stands there, going through this rapid repeating sequence of impossible contortions, firing light/heavy attacks at nothing between what I am assuming must be a sequence of skills being programmed to fire and perfectly animation cancel at the push of a button, a flurry of burst skills from stealth to 1-shot any tank so they can sneak around and feel like playing Skyrim with TGM on. XD

phaneub17_ESO · July 2016

With only 5 buttons, its hard not to spam just one button. I gotta have room for a healing spell, a utility buff, a mobility, then there's 2 attacks left over not including your Ultimate.

ColoursYouHave · July 2016

Phinix1 wrote: »

LOL I see people practicing their macros all the time around Rawl'kha. Their character stands there, going through this rapid repeating sequence of impossible contortions, firing light/heavy attacks at nothing between what I am assuming must be a sequence of skills being programmed to fire and perfectly animation cancel at the push of a button, a flurry of burst skills from stealth to 1-shot any tank so they can sneak around and feel like playing Skyrim with TGM on. XD

But I can do that without using macros, pretty easily actually. Maybe they're just practicing their animation cancelling naturally? Plus, how exactly does one practice some "1-shot" macro standing in Rawl'kha where there are no enemies to target? I don't see how spamming AOEs, buffs, and heals with light attacks weaved in is capable of killing anybody. And remember, no macro is capable of bypassing GCD. If a tank is getting 1-shot, either that is a poorly built tank, or the player is using something like CE to change damage values, which is completely different from macroing.

Phinix1 · July 2016

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

But I can do that without using macros, pretty easily actually. Maybe they're just practicing their animation cancelling naturally? Plus, how exactly does one practice some "1-shot" macro standing in Rawl'kha where there are no enemies to target? I don't see how spamming AOEs, buffs, and heals with light attacks weaved in is capable of killing anybody. And remember, no macro is capable of bypassing GCD. If a tank is getting 1-shot, either that is a poorly built tank, or the player is using something like CE to change damage values, which is completely different from macroing.

Removed because it could be seen as explaining how to cheat

You're right it is not IMPOSSIBLE to do this as a normal person, however the ability to do it perfectly every time even in the heat of battle is something even the best players will screw up occasionally.

Egonieser · July 2016

Phinix1 wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

But I can do that without using macros, pretty easily actually. Maybe they're just practicing their animation cancelling naturally? Plus, how exactly does one practice some "1-shot" macro standing in Rawl'kha where there are no enemies to target? I don't see how spamming AOEs, buffs, and heals with light attacks weaved in is capable of killing anybody. And remember, no macro is capable of bypassing GCD. If a tank is getting 1-shot, either that is a poorly built tank, or the player is using something like CE to change damage values, which is completely different from macroing.

Removed because it could be seen as explaining how to cheat

You're right it is not IMPOSSIBLE to do this as a normal person, however the ability to do it perfectly every time even in the heat of battle is something even the best players will screw up occasionally.

Macros are not exempt to lag. You can have the best macro which will fail miserably if you play in Trueflame. A real player can adapt to lag, a macro cannot - which makes it worse to use than doing it yourself.

mdylan2013 · July 2016

Molag_Crow wrote: »

Yeah on my mag Temp I've gotta LoS NBs and block like crazy because they just spam one skill and put out a ton of damage doing so, unfortunately.

Inb4 "you spam jabs" well, no... if I spammed jabs (a channel) while a NB spams an instant hard-hitting ability WHILE dodging most of my attacks due to Shuffle, I have no time to just stand there like a lemon with sweeps (even though I use Dark Flare too but get interrupted/it gets dodged most of the time,) unless of course I cc the NB and then sweep, and then they break free, fear me, spam SA some more etc etc

Most of my duels with NBs are successful though but it's REALLY difficult to 1vX when there's a NB....

agreed. You'll get the usual people defending a nightblades ability to do massive amounts of damage with little repercussions though.

Cloak should cost double each time they use it, just like streak. That would solve a lot of issues with nightblades.

WillhelmBlack · July 2016

If anyone tries a macro on me in combat they're dead. Don't get me wrong though, I've had plenty laid on me running to and from places like IC sewers and riding to keeps.

All I can say is right now in ESO's current state, be a magicka Templar or a NB.

ColoursYouHave · July 2016

Phinix1 wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

But I can do that without using macros, pretty easily actually. Maybe they're just practicing their animation cancelling naturally? Plus, how exactly does one practice some "1-shot" macro standing in Rawl'kha where there are no enemies to target? I don't see how spamming AOEs, buffs, and heals with light attacks weaved in is capable of killing anybody. And remember, no macro is capable of bypassing GCD. If a tank is getting 1-shot, either that is a poorly built tank, or the player is using something like CE to change damage values, which is completely different from macroing.

Removed because it could be seen as explaining how to cheat

You're right it is not IMPOSSIBLE to do this as a normal person, however the ability to do it perfectly every time even in the heat of battle is something even the best players will screw up occasionally.

That is true, but how do you know they've done it perfectly every time? You may see all the perfectly executed combos, but chances are you don't even realize all the times somebody has attempted something and failed.

ArchMikem · July 2016

Vangy wrote: »

I kid... I kid... macros exist... but sometimes people need to face the possibility that they just got shrekt by someone more skilled.

It's never about skill. It's nothing but numbers. This game is nothing but Math and the equation with the highest result passes the test.

ColoursYouHave · July 2016

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

Phinix1 wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

But I can do that without using macros, pretty easily actually. Maybe they're just practicing their animation cancelling naturally? Plus, how exactly does one practice some "1-shot" macro standing in Rawl'kha where there are no enemies to target? I don't see how spamming AOEs, buffs, and heals with light attacks weaved in is capable of killing anybody. And remember, no macro is capable of bypassing GCD. If a tank is getting 1-shot, either that is a poorly built tank, or the player is using something like CE to change damage values, which is completely different from macroing.

Removed because it could be seen as explaining how to cheat

You're right it is not IMPOSSIBLE to do this as a normal person, however the ability to do it perfectly every time even in the heat of battle is something even the best players will screw up occasionally.

That is true, but how do you know they've done it perfectly every time? You may see all the perfectly executed combos, but chances are you don't even realize all the times somebody has attempted something and failed.

Plus, I'd argue that you're just as , if not more, likely to mess up animation canceling with macros due to lag than you are to mess it up naturally.

Edit fail, whatever, guess I'll just quote myself instead.

thankyourat · July 2016

mdylan2013 wrote: »

Molag_Crow wrote: »

Yeah on my mag Temp I've gotta LoS NBs and block like crazy because they just spam one skill and put out a ton of damage doing so, unfortunately.

Inb4 "you spam jabs" well, no... if I spammed jabs (a channel) while a NB spams an instant hard-hitting ability WHILE dodging most of my attacks due to Shuffle, I have no time to just stand there like a lemon with sweeps (even though I use Dark Flare too but get interrupted/it gets dodged most of the time,) unless of course I cc the NB and then sweep, and then they break free, fear me, spam SA some more etc etc

Most of my duels with NBs are successful though but it's REALLY difficult to 1vX when there's a NB....

agreed. You'll get the usual people defending a nightblades ability to do massive amounts of damage with little repercussions though.

Cloak should cost double each time they use it, just like streak. That would solve a lot of issues with nightblades.

That would make cloak useless because when you cloak you are still in the same spot and pretty much everything can pull you out of it. Streak moves you to a different location so it would be op if you could just streak away from everyone. And it's not with little repercussion. Nightblades are the least tankiest of all the classes so they put out the highest damage. And even then they are pretty even with sorcerer in terms of burst damage. Also burst damage is nowhere near as op as major mending some people go from 5% to full health with one bol. so if the nerf damage they also need to nerf healing to keep it balanced

oibam · July 2016

Heavy armor. Radiant Magelight. Detection pot. Caltrops. Shield.

So many counters...

jello · July 2016

You get skill from playing enough, so casuals will always get rekt, no matter what class they play.

Asmael · July 2016

Between buffs, debuffs, CCs, utility, healing, DoTs and actual spammable damage, I don't really have time to spam attacks...

And that's true of just about any class.

On a side note, I have a few tanky builds in mine that are simply not killable by the vast majority of NBs. I could literally just keep Shuffle / Volatile armor up, heal a bit with Igneous + Vigor, and they would never ever get to kill me (even better, with all the damage reflects they would actually kill themselves given enough time if they don't heal).

While on my side, I just need to put down Venomous claw, Noxious breath, Dawnbreaker and Rearming trap to kill them in one go.

And that's on an fairly unoptimized build. Tanky stam DKs are by far scarier than stamblades. At least you can kill stamblades pretty easily if they screw up.

SlayerTheDragon · July 2016

Molag_Crow wrote: »

Yeah on my mag Temp I've gotta LoS NBs and block like crazy because they just spam one skill and put out a ton of damage doing so, unfortunately.

Inb4 "you spam jabs" well, no... if I spammed jabs (a channel) while a NB spams an instant hard-hitting ability WHILE dodging most of my attacks due to Shuffle, I have no time to just stand there like a lemon with sweeps (even though I use Dark Flare too but get interrupted/it gets dodged most of the time,) unless of course I cc the NB and then sweep, and then they break free, fear me, spam SA some more etc etc

Most of my duels with NBs are successful though but it's REALLY difficult to 1vX when there's a NB....

Dark Flare vs Shuffle = 99.999% loss ratio