Should Whip give major breach like SA? For pvp purposes.

leepalmer95 · July 2016

Whip in pvp is a noodle basically, i'm trying to figure out ways to boost a mag dk's dmg while not buffing pve dmg. In pve a boss will already be fractured by the tank so it won't really matter. In pvp mag dk's don't have any burst outside of ult and they don't have an execute to actually finish an enemy.

Most mag dk's are basically forced into s+b in order to not get insta gibbed in pvp because they have no mobility, no reliable good heal and no skills such as purges/BoL/cloak/shields in order for them to be able to spec into damage and be able to survive well enough. This in turn limits there penetration as well, if they go heavy they have 2.5k without light armour. Usually mag dk's go heavy.

MaxwellC · July 2016

No

I love my Mag DK but man in PvP it isn't as good as other abilities but the fact that I can stun a enemy(s) and use my lava whip to consistently heal myself (when it procs) I feel that's in a good position especially since it's un-avoidable. I feel they need to fix Dragons blood first before doing anything else IMO.

Anti_Virus · July 2016

Other, please state idea or reason.

Do you mean major breech? Lava whip is mitigated by spell resistance.

GreenSoup2HoT · July 2016

No

Personally i think Surprise Attack armour debuff should only occur when used from stealth/cloak.

I'd also rather not homogenize the classes by giving every class the same buffs/debuffs.

Whats next? A thread for stam nb who wants major mending?

Magicka Dk's are beasts in group play. Meteor with the cloak changes is a game changer for them.

I cant speak for a magicka dk but i dont think they are that bad. Its just many people play magicka dk counters (usally stamina melee). Magicka dks wreck casters though.

Shadesofkin · July 2016

Other, please state idea or reason.

I'm against any changes to whip at all.

That being said it's a shame Igneous isn't a toggle to help bolster it in Cyrodil

leepalmer95 · July 2016

But 2k whips and 3k crits are kind of pathetic though.

peniku8 · July 2016

Yes

I am for all changes which grant me more dps, I'd rather take minor breach thou since it would not stack with elemental drain in pve otherwise. Maybe change the entire thing to 'your whip ignores 1500 of the target's spell resistance as long as the target is burning'. Whip is not op enough in pve, I wanna compete with stamDK!

Shadesofkin · July 2016

Other, please state idea or reason.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

But 2k whips and 3k crits are kind of pathetic though.

The problem I have is any PvP change to my beloved whips could result in PvE uselessness. I always propose being very careful about screwing with the perfection that is the Whip.

leepalmer95 · July 2016

Shadesofkin wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

But 2k whips and 3k crits are kind of pathetic though.

The problem I have is any PvP change to my beloved whips could result in PvE uselessness. I always propose being very careful about screwing with the perfection that is the Whip.

It won't change anything for your dps, bosses will already be major fracture/breached via tanks

Shadesofkin · July 2016

Other, please state idea or reason.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

But 2k whips and 3k crits are kind of pathetic though.

The problem I have is any PvP change to my beloved whips could result in PvE uselessness. I always propose being very careful about screwing with the perfection that is the Whip.

It won't change anything for your dps, bosses will already be major fracture/breached via tanks

But will they lower the DPS on it to compensate for the sebuff...they tend to finely tune skills with a sledgehammer

RAGUNAnoOne · July 2016

No good heal? at least in PvE burning embers is a lot and I recall seeing a few threads about it before. but yeah whip does need something as the damage is crap and the mechanics are clunky and not worth it

leepalmer95 · July 2016

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

No good heal? at least in PvE burning embers is a lot and I recall seeing a few threads about it before. but yeah whip does need something as the damage is crap and the mechanics are clunky and not worth it

No reliable heal, we can't just hit a button and heal such as rally/vigor/BoL, we get small heals from skills or have to double hit a target with embers to heal.

I mean a self heal like dragon blood used to be.

Tryxus · July 2016

No

Why don't we have ZOS fix/buff the more urgent stuff like Dragon Blood, Chains, etc, ... and then see if Whip still needs buffing?

leepalmer95 · July 2016

Tryxus wrote: »

Why don't we have ZOS fix/buff the more urgent stuff like Dragon Blood, Chains, etc, ... and then see if Whip still needs buffing?

We could have them do it all at once, they don't tweak things that just completely re-arrange the game every 3 months.

Tryxus · July 2016

No

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Why don't we have ZOS fix/buff the more urgent stuff like Dragon Blood, Chains, etc, ... and then see if Whip still needs buffing?

We could have them do it all at once, they don't tweak things that just completely re-arrange the game every 3 months.

Cuz knowing ZOS track record of "tweaking" things, it's either not gonna be good enough or overshoot it and make it too powerful. With the inevitable "nerf"-horde coming to the forums

So I'd prefer to have them fix the needed skills before checking to see if Whip is still gonna need a buff. If they're not buffed enough, Whip could do with a buff. If they're too good then, Whip doesn't need anything.

Wing · July 2016

I don't really care but it should do something, at least change the name "lava whip" to "slightly warm noodle"

its the staple up front damage dealer of magicka DK (few of them as it is). . .and even they don't use it.

the game has left magicka DK behind, I'm sorry to say its probably never going to be competitive again.

Anhedonie · July 2016

Yes

Flame Lash is a good skill, but Lava Whip needs some attention.

tennant94 · July 2016

The power lash effect from flame lash should hit for like 100% more damage. If whips tooltip is 5k then power lash should hit for 10k.

Currently it only hits for like 10% extra damage, there's nothing powerful about it.

This change wouldn't effect pve because bosses can't be set off balance and for pvp enemys can only be set off balance by flame lash every 5 seconds so it's not like it's a spammable ability.

Silver_Strider · July 2016

Can we all just agree that Sorcs need a nerf?

Vangy · July 2016

No

This is gona be a touchy area... MagDKs in PvE running full light are ripping things apart..... (like one of the better DPS)..

MagDK's being forced to wear heavy in PvP is the true reason for the noodle whip.. I mean ya cant expect to put out good DPS in heavy armour yeah? Fix DB, give DKS some way to stand group a bit and they can actually start wearing more light pieces. Wearing full heavy and complaining about wet noodle whip isnt going to get you anywhere.

Draxys · July 2016

Vangy wrote: »

This is gona be a touchy area... MagDKs in PvE running full light are ripping things apart..... (like one of the better DPS)..

MagDK's being forced to wear heavy in PvP is the true reason for the noodle whip.. I mean ya cant expect to put out good DPS in heavy armour yeah? Fix DB, give DKS some way to stand group a bit and they can actually start wearing more light pieces. Wearing full heavy and complaining about wet noodle whip isnt going to get you anywhere.

Noodle whip is more of a complicated result of mechanics changes, in my opinion. MagDK can't stack dmg and also stack heals at the same time like other classes. With softcaps, we could use invasion as a way to CC and get extra dmg from flame lash follow up, but that's no more. Also, the champion system resists don't help the issue, even with the ability to put 100 points into elemental dmg.

Anhedonie · July 2016

Yes

Vangy wrote: »

This is gona be a touchy area... MagDKs in PvE running full light are ripping things apart..... (like one of the better DPS)..

MagDK's being forced to wear heavy in PvP is the true reason for the noodle whip.. I mean ya cant expect to put out good DPS in heavy armour yeah? Fix DB, give DKS some way to stand group a bit and they can actually start wearing more light pieces. Wearing full heavy and complaining about wet noodle whip isnt going to get you anywhere.

MagDK were good in pve a couple patches ago. Magblades and magplars have higher dps in DB patch. Just sayin.

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