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Play a MMO at all if you never plan on buying any dlc then complain about not being able to do any of the dlc???? Seriously how many of you out there have really ever played a MMO before ESO?
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Balamoor✭✭✭✭✭
✭People rage on forums.
About 80% of it is trolling, the other 10% is agenda based the remaining 10% are either technical support questions, general gab, or some other thing.
On every single game forum either now or sometime in it's past I can show you the exact same criticism about the company, the PVP, the cheating and the ease or difficulty of the game.
They all don't or have not listened to their community
They all don't or have not allowed cheating without taking swift decisive action
They all have been are are being accused of being evil greedy corps
They all have been or are being accused of lying.
And the vast majority of the accusations are either BS or opinions of those that really don't get the complete story.
At the end of the day this game and company is no better or worse than any other game or company despite the raging.Edited by Balamoor on June 23, 2016 3:09PM11 -
Reevster✭✭✭✭✭People rage on forums.
About 80% of it is trolling, the other 10% is agenda based the remaining 10% are either technical support questions, general gab, or some other thing.
On every single game forum either now or sometime in it's past I can show you the exact same criticism about the company, the PVP, the cheating and the ease or difficulty of the game.
They all don't or have not listened to their community
They all don't or have not allowed cheating without taking swift decisive action
They all have been are are being accused of being evil greedy corps
They all have been or are being accused of lying.
And the vast majority of the accusations are either BS or opinions of those that really don't get the complete story.
At the end of the day this game and company is no better or worse than any other game or company despite the raging.
Ya been playing 15 plus year, have seen all of what you have posted , nothing new for sure. Some people should really stick to games like farm ville though because MMOs are definitely not for them.
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Refuse2GrowUp✭✭✭✭✭People rage on forums.
About 80% of it is trolling, the other 10% is agenda based the remaining 10% are either technical support questions, general gab, or some other thing.
On every single game forum either now or sometime in it's past I can show you the exact same criticism about the company, the PVP, the cheating and the ease or difficulty of the game.
They all don't or have not listened to their community
They all don't or have not allowed cheating without taking swift decisive action
They all have been are are being accused of being evil greedy corps
They all have been or are being accused of lying.
And the vast majority of the accusations are either BS or opinions of those that really don't get the complete story.
At the end of the day this game and company is no better or worse than any other game or company despite the raging.People rage on forums.
About 80% of it is trolling, the other 10% is agenda based the remaining 10% are either technical support questions, general gab, or some other thing.
On every single game forum either now or sometime in it's past I can show you the exact same criticism about the company, the PVP, the cheating and the ease or difficulty of the game.
They all don't or have not listened to their community
They all don't or have not allowed cheating without taking swift decisive action
They all have been are are being accused of being evil greedy corps
They all have been or are being accused of lying.
And the vast majority of the accusations are either BS or opinions of those that really don't get the complete story.
At the end of the day this game and company is no better or worse than any other game or company despite the raging.
Could agree with most of what you say, except any insinuation that ZOS takes cheating seriously and will take swift and decisive action. Their track record proves otherwise. ShamePS4 NA Server
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Balamoor✭✭✭✭✭
✭Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »People rage on forums.
About 80% of it is trolling, the other 10% is agenda based the remaining 10% are either technical support questions, general gab, or some other thing.
On every single game forum either now or sometime in it's past I can show you the exact same criticism about the company, the PVP, the cheating and the ease or difficulty of the game.
They all don't or have not listened to their community
They all don't or have not allowed cheating without taking swift decisive action
They all have been are are being accused of being evil greedy corps
They all have been or are being accused of lying.
And the vast majority of the accusations are either BS or opinions of those that really don't get the complete story.
At the end of the day this game and company is no better or worse than any other game or company despite the raging.People rage on forums.
About 80% of it is trolling, the other 10% is agenda based the remaining 10% are either technical support questions, general gab, or some other thing.
On every single game forum either now or sometime in it's past I can show you the exact same criticism about the company, the PVP, the cheating and the ease or difficulty of the game.
They all don't or have not listened to their community
They all don't or have not allowed cheating without taking swift decisive action
They all have been are are being accused of being evil greedy corps
They all have been or are being accused of lying.
And the vast majority of the accusations are either BS or opinions of those that really don't get the complete story.
At the end of the day this game and company is no better or worse than any other game or company despite the raging.
Could agree with most of what you say, except any insinuation that ZOS takes cheating seriously and will take swift and decisive action. Their track record proves otherwise. Shame
You should go back and reread that I said they all have been accused of it without taking action. :-)0 -
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✭I agree as well. I've been playing MMO's for 13 years now that started with WoW. You couldn't play any of the expansions without paying for them so DLC's in ESO aren't any different. You get the base game for free which at times may include some new things but doesn't guarantee that you will EVER have access to any new zones, dungeons or other content.
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FLuFFyxMuFFiN✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭We are living in the age of entitlement now. So many people think that free DLC should be a basic human right and if you don't give it away for free you're just in it for the money.5 -
Balamoor✭✭✭✭✭
✭People rage on forums.
About 80% of it is trolling, the other 10% is agenda based the remaining 10% are either technical support questions, general gab, or some other thing.
On every single game forum either now or sometime in it's past I can show you the exact same criticism about the company, the PVP, the cheating and the ease or difficulty of the game.
They all don't or have not listened to their community
They all don't or have not allowed cheating without taking swift decisive action
They all have been are are being accused of being evil greedy corps
They all have been or are being accused of lying.
And the vast majority of the accusations are either BS or opinions of those that really don't get the complete story.
At the end of the day this game and company is no better or worse than any other game or company despite the raging.
Ya been playing 15 plus year, have seen all of what you have posted , nothing new for sure. Some people should really stick to games like farm ville though because MMOs are definitely not for them.
That's one way to look at it sure, but really the days of UO and EQ esque MMo's are gone no matter how bad some folks may wish otherwise and most devs who try to bring back the glory days either end up nerfing the hell out of the content or closing up shop.
It's going to go further (I'm not going to say worse because whether this is good or bad is opinion) Crossplay is going to be the standard very soon so more people will be gaming in more places so MMO's (if they can still be called that in a traditional sense) are going to start developing for those farmville types and people who are making the sirta comments you just made (Not that I'm disagreeing with you) are going to find themselves vastly outnumbered.
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✭✭✭I've never played an MMO before, but from the start I knew I'd get the DLCs if I continued to play it. To me, not knowing what MMOs are about isn't an excuse. There's this thing called the internet. If you're ever not sure about something you can search this internet and find the information that you seek.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
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✭Play a MMO at all if you never plan on buying any dlc then complain about not being able to do any of the dlc???? Seriously how many of you out there have really ever played a MMO before ESO?
This is a little one sided. A person may be playing ESO for PvP only and thus they have no reason to buy any of the DLCs except IC... Those players may thus be complaining that none of the other DLCs has introduced content that is interesting to buy and they wouldn't be wrong. Considering the number of PvPers in ESO, Zenimax releases very little content that interests that part of the community, likely because their PvP servers are not strong enough to even properly handle the current content...1 -
Balamoor✭✭✭✭✭
✭Play a MMO at all if you never plan on buying any dlc then complain about not being able to do any of the dlc???? Seriously how many of you out there have really ever played a MMO before ESO?
This is a little one sided. A person may be playing ESO for PvP only and thus they have no reason to buy any of the DLCs except IC... Those players may thus be complaining that none of the other DLCs has introduced content that is interesting to buy and they wouldn't be wrong. Considering the number of PvPers in ESO, Zenimax releases very little content that interests that part of the community, likely because their PvP servers are not strong enough to even properly handle the current content...
That is actually a good point, I think that new PVP areas should be open as free updated content.0 -
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✭Play a MMO at all if you never plan on buying any dlc then complain about not being able to do any of the dlc???? Seriously how many of you out there have really ever played a MMO before ESO?
This is a little one sided. A person may be playing ESO for PvP only and thus they have no reason to buy any of the DLCs except IC... Those players may thus be complaining that none of the other DLCs has introduced content that is interesting to buy and they wouldn't be wrong. Considering the number of PvPers in ESO, Zenimax releases very little content that interests that part of the community, likely because their PvP servers are not strong enough to even properly handle the current content...
That is actually a good point, I think that new PVP areas should be open as free updated content.
They don't need to open new PvP areas - Cyrodiil and IC are both ideal maps for PvP but they are severely lackluster in terms of content/objectives.
Cyrodiil should have some sort of dynamic PvP events (which have proven to be wildly successful in numerous MMO's) to spice things up and break the monotony of zerg push and pull.
IC can be your small-scale organized area for objective based skirmishes (capturable districts is a step in the right direction, but again - it is very underdone and unfinished).
They have solid foundations - the maps are already there, what they need to do is populate them with something meaningful to do.Sometimes, I dream about...cheese...
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Daishichi✭✭✭At the end of the day this game and company is no better or worse than any other game or company despite the raging.
I can't agree with this...I played Everquest on PS2 for years, and never experienced such persistent lag and crashing issues. This game's design and maintenance is deeply flawed, but Zenimax keeps rolling out more Crown Store cashgrabs instead of fixing the basics. You will never see me whining about losing or dying, but making your game playable seems like a reasonable request.Gamertag: SpideyGuy73
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Potenza✭✭✭✭✭FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »We are living in the age of entitlement now. So many people think that free DLC should be a basic human right and if you don't give it away for free you're just in it for the money.
Well they are kind of just in it for the money - otherwise it wouldn't exist, however I still would not expect a DLC to be free and it shouldn't be - If money isn't being made - no game.
Edit: This is an agreement with you - I just used you to get in the convo.
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Balamoor✭✭✭✭✭
✭At the end of the day this game and company is no better or worse than any other game or company despite the raging.
I can't agree with this...I played Everquest on PS2 for years, and never experienced such persistent lag and crashing issues. This game's design and maintenance is deeply flawed, but Zenimax keeps rolling out more Crown Store cashgrabs instead of fixing the basics. You will never see me whining about losing or dying, but making your game playable seems like a reasonable request.
I can list you a whole slew of other problems just as sever EQ had especially the PS2 version and persistent lag depnding on what part of the country you were in was definitely one of them. And SOE pretty much abandoned their PS2 community.
And those cashgrabs as you call them are what keep the servers up the dev team paid and the game profitable so it doesn't go the way of Earth and Beyond, Warhammer AOR, Tabula Rising and any other dead MMO you can think of.
I do know this the lag is geographical and will eventually be solved, but sadly they have to pay for those new network admins they are hiring with cashgrabs.
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Clerics1985✭✭✭Play a MMO at all if you never plan on buying any dlc then complain about not being able to do any of the dlc???? Seriously how many of you out there have really ever played a MMO before ESO?
This is a little one sided. A person may be playing ESO for PvP only and thus they have no reason to buy any of the DLCs except IC... Those players may thus be complaining that none of the other DLCs has introduced content that is interesting to buy and they wouldn't be wrong. Considering the number of PvPers in ESO, Zenimax releases very little content that interests that part of the community, likely because their PvP servers are not strong enough to even properly handle the current content...
That is actually a good point, I think that new PVP areas should be open as free updated content.
They don't need to open new PvP areas - Cyrodiil and IC are both ideal maps for PvP but they are severely lackluster in terms of content/objectives.
Cyrodiil should have some sort of dynamic PvP events (which have proven to be wildly successful in numerous MMO's) to spice things up and break the monotony of zerg push and pull.
IC can be your small-scale organized area for objective based skirmishes (capturable districts is a step in the right direction, but again - it is very underdone and unfinished).
They have solid foundations - the maps are already there, what they need to do is populate them with something meaningful to do.
I don't understand... content/objectives? you mean like taking the inner circles to become Emperor? or holding the flags in IC to take control of a Sector
or do you mean just like the 2v2 / 8v8 bland WoW/every other mmo in the world Pvp where literally the objective is just to be the last group standing?
IMO this games PVP has a lot of Objectives/Content more so then other MMO's that I have played including GW2
it's an open world where our Faction decides whether we win or loose. the only issue is the fact that everyone's faction alting' to AP grind with their original faction not to help the new faction they've alted into. and therefore the OBJECTIVE is gone because you and you're friends are sitting there taking advantage of a flawed system instead of playing it the way it was meant to and there for has died to you. These ppl bitching about "spy" may just be some pugs but those pugs still have that Feeling from PVP cuz they didn't sit there and deteriorate it with Transforming. They can still see the objective and *** are constantly rigging it.
They should have never allowed Cross faction accounts. with one tamriel everyone plays with everyone on one world anyway0 -
FLuFFyxMuFFiN✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »We are living in the age of entitlement now. So many people think that free DLC should be a basic human right and if you don't give it away for free you're just in it for the money.
Well they are kind of just in it for the money - otherwise it wouldn't exist, however I still would not expect a DLC to be free and it shouldn't be - If money isn't being made - no game.
Edit: This is an agreement with you - I just used you to get in the convo.
Yeah it amazes me how some people think a gaming company can survive without money. Especially an MMO1 -
Egonieser✭✭✭✭✭
✭Clerics1985 wrote: »Play a MMO at all if you never plan on buying any dlc then complain about not being able to do any of the dlc???? Seriously how many of you out there have really ever played a MMO before ESO?
This is a little one sided. A person may be playing ESO for PvP only and thus they have no reason to buy any of the DLCs except IC... Those players may thus be complaining that none of the other DLCs has introduced content that is interesting to buy and they wouldn't be wrong. Considering the number of PvPers in ESO, Zenimax releases very little content that interests that part of the community, likely because their PvP servers are not strong enough to even properly handle the current content...
That is actually a good point, I think that new PVP areas should be open as free updated content.
They don't need to open new PvP areas - Cyrodiil and IC are both ideal maps for PvP but they are severely lackluster in terms of content/objectives.
Cyrodiil should have some sort of dynamic PvP events (which have proven to be wildly successful in numerous MMO's) to spice things up and break the monotony of zerg push and pull.
IC can be your small-scale organized area for objective based skirmishes (capturable districts is a step in the right direction, but again - it is very underdone and unfinished).
They have solid foundations - the maps are already there, what they need to do is populate them with something meaningful to do.
I don't understand... content/objectives? you mean like taking the inner circles to become Emperor? or holding the flags in IC to take control of a Sector
or do you mean just like the 2v2 / 8v8 bland WoW/every other mmo in the world Pvp where literally the objective is just to be the last group standing?
IMO this games PVP has a lot of Objectives/Content more so then other MMO's that I have played including GW2
it's an open world where our Faction decides whether we win or loose. the only issue is the fact that everyone's faction alting' to AP grind with their original faction not to help the new faction they've alted into. and therefore the OBJECTIVE is gone because you and you're friends are sitting there taking advantage of a flawed system instead of playing it the way it was meant to and there for has died to you. These ppl bitching about "spy" may just be some pugs but those pugs still have that Feeling from PVP cuz they didn't sit there and deteriorate it with Transforming. They can still see the objective and *** are constantly rigging it.
They should have never allowed Cross faction accounts. with one tamriel everyone plays with everyone on one world anyway
How narrow minded of you. Not everything has to be compared to WoW, in fact what I said has even nothing similar in any shape or form. Maybe when you PvP for 2 more years every single day you might get it.Sometimes, I dream about...cheese...
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emily3989✭✭✭✭✭I am just waiting for the battle chest concept to come into play - all the long time subs that have been buying DLCs will be bent all to hell.
It is strange how ZOS got rid of the sub model as being mandatory, but a new person buying the game now, if they wanted all the content up to date would be shelling out around $200, so subbing is almost mandatory for new players.
By scaling all DLC though, they do keep them all relevant, albeit insanely short.
I guess it all might depend on if they ever up the CP160 with a new DLC to like 200 or something, and keep all the current stuff scaled to 160.
But wait, I can get 501 CP, so...sorry...getting sleepy just trying to understand their direction.
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Sylveria_Relden✭✭✭✭I just wish Zenimax would make up their mind about what kind of MMO it's going to be. Seems like this changes every few months... perhaps dependent on the whims of the Accounting department? (really don't know who it is so I'm speculating here)
Pay to Play?
Pay to Play with sub?
Free to Play?
Free to Play with sub?
Pay to Play with optional DLC?
Free to Play with optional DLC?
etc.
Seriously, folks get your s*** together, decide on a pricing model and be done with it. IMO The Elder Scrolls series didn't need to go free to play in order to be "marketable"- it already had/has a good base. The problem is with the changing your mind from month to month about what this game is going to be and *that* is why you won't retain subs.
This isn't a rage or flame post. I love the game- I just don't like some of the decisions that have been made along the way and you've really disenfranchised a lot of your customer base and will continue to do so until you've chosen an path and stuck with it, IMO.TL;DR - If you got this far without reading the entire post you're either too lazy or suck at reading comprehension and probably don't belong in a public forum anyway. Just move along, you wouldn't understand.0 -
Daishichi✭✭✭I can list you a whole slew of other problems just as sever EQ had especially the PS2 version and persistent lag depnding on what part of the country you were in was definitely one of them. And SOE pretty much abandoned their PS2 community.
It's quite possible that EQ had more problems than I remember...but nothing like I'm seeing in recent months with ESO. I'm really shocked that a company could get away with this...when Ubisoft and Rockstar crapped the bed, they were crucified and forced to correct/compensate.And those cashgrabs as you call them are what keep the servers up the dev team paid and the game profitable so it doesn't go the way of Earth and Beyond, Warhammer AOR, Tabula Rising and any other dead MMO you can think of.
Hey, I don't object to them charging $40 for a magic cat; that's why my sister gave my nephew her credit card. And I'm all for the publisher paying its bills...maybe they need more cashgrabs...a motif with separate chapters for every item+trait combo? Bring it on!
Just use that money to fix the damn game. Or test it better before each release. Maybe they're not spending repair funds on designing and marketing the next magic cat, but they're sure as hell not spending it on customer support.
You sound like a true MMO veteran, #Balamoor...is this one really no worse than any other? Because I was about to ask you what game I should be playing. (I know that netspeak automatically sounds snarky, but this is a sincere question).
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Kalifas✭✭✭
I don't think no one here ever asked for ESO to be completely free. No one complains about having to buy full featured DLC. The subscription you might have both sides.FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »We are living in the age of entitlement now. So many people think that free DLC should be a basic human right and if you don't give it away for free you're just in it for the money.
Well they are kind of just in it for the money - otherwise it wouldn't exist, however I still would not expect a DLC to be free and it shouldn't be - If money isn't being made - no game.
Edit: This is an agreement with you - I just used you to get in the convo.
Yeah it amazes me how some people think a gaming company can survive without money. Especially an MMO
And people think a game can exist without a sub because games already do. I don't know how lucrative they are or if they are breaking benjamins. But the games are surviving and some rate higher than subscription games such as Guild Wars 2.Edited by Kalifas on June 29, 2016 6:51PMAn Avid fan of Elder Scrolls Online. Check out my Concepts Repository!0