Tandor wrote: »

Malpherian wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

KhajiitiLizard wrote: »

So you'd support a developer that has little to no integrity? It's not just about the cheating, but all the game breaking bugs that any reasonable developer would have fixed or mostly fixed by now.

That's a very pejorative description. I have seen no evidence that ZOS has little to no integrity. I've also personally experienced very little in the way of bugs and none that were remotely game-breaking. I've been playing ESO since the PC launch and I'm very happy with the state and direction of the game but of course such things are entirely dependent on playstyle and subjectivity and I for one readily accept that some other people's mileage may vary. Not everyone's, tho, as there are many more players just happily getting on with playing the game than there are hopping up and down on the forum.

ZOS has, multiple times mind you, Told players "Buy this and you'll be a special snowflake and only you will ever have it", Simply to turn around and offer it on a steam sale, or from the cash shop.

Basically, they lied to their players to get them to purchase something which was supposed to be "Limited" and or "special" only to turn around and offer it up as an enticement to new players or put it on the cash shop once the game went F2P.

Look at the history that is only one example.

Heres another:

ZOS stated at Release that the TG and DB would be released within the first 3 updates, and would be "free" expansions. Yet 2 years later they are selling them. And it's what? Update 16 now and we are just getting TG and DB?


I can do this all day.....


Here's the definition of integrity:

in·teg·ri·ty
inˈteɡrədē/
noun
1.
the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness.
"he is known to be a man of integrity"
synonyms: honesty, probity, rectitude, honor, good character, principle(s), ethics, morals, righteousness, morality, virtue, decency, fairness, scrupulousness, sincerity, truthfulness, trustworthiness
"I never doubted his integrity"


When has ZOS EVER done that? Hell their entire advertisement for the game is nothing but a Blatant lie about it's mechanics.

"Be who you want to be" "Complete freedom to make your character however you wish"

If being on rails is being who you want to be.. Sure. If being locked into classes is being able to make your character however you like... Sure.....

If they had told people, Limited skills, only 4 classes, And zoned areas your locked into until you complete certain quests (Even while leveling).... They wouldn't have sold half as many copies.... But hey at least they would have been being honest.


No, ZOE has done nothing but Lie to, and Cheat it's Player-base since it was launched.

Most of the changes came about as a result of the change in business model arising from the proposal to add a console version, which I believe has been good for the game in overall terms. I don't think they lied, I think they told it as they saw it at the time. As anyone who's been in business knows, situations change and you have to adapt to them, things don't always work out best the way you initially thought they would.

According to the back of the original box "Play as you like" was stated in relation to "Adventure alone or together with friends. The choice is yours to make." People knew perfectly well that there were a fixed number of classes (and races), but what gave added freedom of choice compared to many MMOs as indicated in the advertising was that you could equip any combination of weapon and armour sets for all the classes, each choice resulting in different skills. People also know that while it's always going to be possible with freedom of choice over such things for the average player to pick and choose at will and do so successfully, the hardcore min-maxer is always going to end up chasing the one or two most favoured combinations.

I'm not sure what point you're making about being locked into zones, even while leveling. Most MMOs have some form of zonal progression. in ESO you can advance through most zones freely although you may not survive.

If, however, there are people who genuinely believe that ZOS have done nothing but lied to them and cheated them since the game was launched then why on earth are those people still around? It's just part of the forum hysteria with very little of any real substance behind it or they'd be gone. Even a topic like this one is only about people not subscribing any more, they're still playing.

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Malpherian wrote: »

Let me give you an example. If a car salesman sells you a Limited edition only 200 made car, and you buy it, then later toyota decides.. You know what were going to mass produce these and sell them as one of our normal line models. Guess what? That's a lawsuit. Because in Business you don;t sell your customer a product under the impression it is something it isn't in order to get them to buy it.

That's called Fraud.

And while people turn their cheek at the digital industry concerning such, it doesn't change the fact that it is a dishonest ***, low integrity thing to do, and it is still "Fraud".


On your other question why are we still here? Well.. Mainly because we love the TES series and we have hope that one day ZOS will get their head out of their ass.

We post threads like this so that they can know (if they choose to look) what is going on and how their playerbase feels about their decisions.

Your example is incorrect. The Dodge Viper did just that as well as SEVERAL other models. Fact check before you talk out of your ass.

Bouldercleave wrote: »

I was working for Dodge in the mid 90's until 2001 while the entire limited production fiasco went down. No lawsuit went anywhere. People can sue for anything - winning a suit is completely different.

It was deemed not Fraud - just like a lawsuit here would be.

No fraud has been perpetrated.