ESO Future for hardcore players

Woeler · June 2016

Hardcore player here, some nr1 leaderboards atm also, must say I actually really like that they are reworking the trials and the vet versions are basically just for us.

Kalifas · June 2016

Averya_Teira wrote: »

ESO is not a game for Hardcore players.

End of story.

It isn't now but it was when there was veteran ranks, character bound champion points, no enlightment, caldwells silver and gold, no battle leveling, and faction locked. Now champion points characters and gear are capped, so even if you had 3000 champion points, you may never see your full gain and will be gated in tiny increment anytime the cap is raised. Doesn't really matter how strong you get because the zones will level to you and you can't outlevel something.

A majority of this happened because the majority of players are casual to mid core but part of it is that ZoS didn't know how to balance that. Even years after launch they are still working on systems and balance and everything they add is somehow bugged, X gets nerfed, Y that is weak never gets buffed enough. Even the DLC are becoming more and more bite sized. Other than the crafting bag and dye system locked to the sub, everything about the sub just makes my experience shorter so not feeling that. Still looking for a game I feel the sub is worth that makes me invest tons of time in.I will still come and play it from time to time but there is not incentive to stick to it for a long time unless I like playthroughs to feel the same from low levels to high levels. The game will still do good and the world won't end.

If you're still here for the hardcore aspect or buttery performance, you're in the wrong game. Otherwise it is still a really good game.

phobossion · June 2016

As a truly hardcore player who only plays the game in a tarantula-infested crypt while munching on kitten jerky, I say this game is just fine.

Mitoice · June 2016

well, ive always thought

Kalifas wrote: »

Averya_Teira wrote: »

ESO is not a game for Hardcore players.

End of story.

It isn't now but it was when there was veteran ranks, character bound champion points, no enlightment, caldwells silver and gold, no battle leveling, and faction locked. Now champion points characters and gear are capped, so even if you had 3000 champion points, you may never see your full gain and will be gated in tiny increment anytime the cap is raised. Doesn't really matter how strong you get because the zones will level to you and you can't outlevel something.

A majority of this happened because the majority of players are casual to mid core but part of it is that ZoS didn't know how to balance that. Even years after launch they are still working on systems and balance and everything they add is somehow bugged, X gets nerfed, Y that is weak never gets buffed enough. Even the DLC are becoming more and more bite sized. Other than the crafting bag and dye system locked to the sub, everything about the sub just makes my experience shorter so not feeling that. Still looking for a game I feel the sub is worth that makes me invest tons of time in.I will still come and play it from time to time but there is not incentive to stick to it for a long time unless I like playthroughs to feel the same from low levels to high levels. The game will still do good and the world won't end.

If you're still here for the hardcore aspect or buttery performance, you're in the wrong game. Otherwise it is still a really good game.

+1

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO · June 2016

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Hoping the game burns down.? So because YOU don't like it, no one is allowed to enjoy it.? Well feel free to quit, your mentality will not be missed

I used to love and defend the good game we used to have, not the piece of trash we got these days. Really, the good game is dead and now we got something that's best to be burned with fire.

Mitoice · June 2016

After seeing the new gear for magicka users and PTS notes, i dont see a reason to sub anymore or buy the new expansion, ill be wearing wrothgar and IC gear for years to come, back to when dlc were good

Lilacgooseberries · June 2016

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, I've abandoned the game pretty much, although I still voice my opinion on here hoping they'll see reason and give us some good challenging open world content. Hardcore is dead in this game unfortunately. I'd say even "mediumcore" is going away and all that will be left is hello kitty level of difficulty. I really hope the game burns down to the ground soon enough so that it can die a decent death.

You mean so causual gamers cant even play anymore?

You guys are pretty much saying "Ive done all I can everyday, all day. Ive maxed out everything...I beat the game. Let the game die because Im getting bored of it. I dont care about all the new players coming in, I only care about what I can do."

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO · June 2016

Lilacgooseberries wrote: »

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, I've abandoned the game pretty much, although I still voice my opinion on here hoping they'll see reason and give us some good challenging open world content. Hardcore is dead in this game unfortunately. I'd say even "mediumcore" is going away and all that will be left is hello kitty level of difficulty. I really hope the game burns down to the ground soon enough so that it can die a decent death.

You mean so causual gamers cant even play anymore?

You guys are pretty much saying "Ive done all I can everyday, all day. Ive maxed out everything...I beat the game. Let the game die because Im getting bored of it. I dont care about all the new players coming in, I only care about what I can do."

Not really, just that they murdered the game with the constant nerfing so that anyone running around without any armor or weapons can complete anything in open world. Compare that to when people had to actually ask for help with world bosses etc and it's just sad that a game that's supposed to be an MMO is a glorified singleplayer RPG. I miss the challenge that used to exist 2 years ago before the nerfing began, that was fun, you found new people that became friends and you did things together, now it's anti-socials online these days in ESO.

Daemons_Bane · June 2016

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Hoping the game burns down.? So because YOU don't like it, no one is allowed to enjoy it.? Well feel free to quit, your mentality will not be missed

I used to love and defend the good game we used to have, not the piece of trash we got these days. Really, the good game is dead and now we got something that's best to be burned with fire.

So YOU don't like it.. That does not make it bad, but maybe you should find something else that you like instead.. Millions of people find enough reasons to stay, which would indicate that they like it.. Which again would indicate that the game is doing fine

"I’m considered a Hardcore gamer, a player that logs in every day for several hours and spent more tan 500 bucks in this game"
This is your definition of a hardcore gamer.. Well by that criteria, I'm hardcore as hell, yet I have no issue with the content.. Maybe this game is simply not for you

NobleNerd · June 2016

ADarklore wrote: »

Mitoice wrote: »

My only question to ZOS is,
is there a way to make this game appealing to casual and hardcore gamers alike?
maybe a way to level up your char but instead of giving you more power like the current champ points, gives you cosmetic stuff like the payday system?

That would be a NO... they don't have the resources to devote to that and if they did so with their current small team that would stop them from adding future content. As it is right now, they're devoting much of their devs to the whole 'One Tamriel' re-boot which means existing players have to WAIT for any new 'sizeable' content until after One Tamriel is complete.

They don't have the resources to devote to GMs in game or an actual Customer Service staff to handle tickets. More and more as this game progresses there are tell-tale signs of them just being overwhelmed and understaffed/incompetent staffing. Everyday I seem to lose faith in ZOS and Zenimax/Bethesda. I am not sure I will even purchase another game by any of their company names right now!

Lilacgooseberries · June 2016

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Lilacgooseberries wrote: »

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, I've abandoned the game pretty much, although I still voice my opinion on here hoping they'll see reason and give us some good challenging open world content. Hardcore is dead in this game unfortunately. I'd say even "mediumcore" is going away and all that will be left is hello kitty level of difficulty. I really hope the game burns down to the ground soon enough so that it can die a decent death.

You mean so causual gamers cant even play anymore?

You guys are pretty much saying "Ive done all I can everyday, all day. Ive maxed out everything...I beat the game. Let the game die because Im getting bored of it. I dont care about all the new players coming in, I only care about what I can do."

Not really, just that they murdered the game with the constant nerfing so that anyone running around without any armor or weapons can complete anything in open world. Compare that to when people had to actually ask for help with world bosses etc and it's just sad that a game that's supposed to be an MMO is a glorified singleplayer RPG. I miss the challenge that used to exist 2 years ago before the nerfing began, that was fun, you found new people that became friends and you did things together, now it's anti-socials online these days in ESO.

And thats the communities fault...for an MMO, many players don't want to play with strangers, and many "hardcore" gamers dont want to play with low level players because of a superiority complex...just a couple of days ago I was speaking in the middle of a bunch of champions and one of them started mocking me....because I was in a spot where I shouldnt have been for my level. Its the communities fault...not the games fault. And I actually find it quite difficult to do things that are a couple of levels higher than I am.

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO · June 2016

Lilacgooseberries wrote: »

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Lilacgooseberries wrote: »

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, I've abandoned the game pretty much, although I still voice my opinion on here hoping they'll see reason and give us some good challenging open world content. Hardcore is dead in this game unfortunately. I'd say even "mediumcore" is going away and all that will be left is hello kitty level of difficulty. I really hope the game burns down to the ground soon enough so that it can die a decent death.

You mean so causual gamers cant even play anymore?

You guys are pretty much saying "Ive done all I can everyday, all day. Ive maxed out everything...I beat the game. Let the game die because Im getting bored of it. I dont care about all the new players coming in, I only care about what I can do."

Not really, just that they murdered the game with the constant nerfing so that anyone running around without any armor or weapons can complete anything in open world. Compare that to when people had to actually ask for help with world bosses etc and it's just sad that a game that's supposed to be an MMO is a glorified singleplayer RPG. I miss the challenge that used to exist 2 years ago before the nerfing began, that was fun, you found new people that became friends and you did things together, now it's anti-socials online these days in ESO.

And thats the communities fault...for an MMO, many players don't want to play with strangers, and many "hardcore" gamers dont want to play with low level players because of a superiority complex...just a couple of days ago I was speaking in the middle of a bunch of champions and one of them started mocking me....because I was in a spot where I shouldnt have been for my level. Its the communities fault...not the games fault.

Had they kept the challenge in the game it wouldn't have devolved into that, but these days everyone and their mother can rolfstomp everything in the open world content since it's too easy. Doshia, Balreth etc used to be a decent challenge and people asked around for help with Balreth and the world bosses and I helped them out a lot with that. The last year or so I've yet to see more than 10 people ask for help with anything in the open world not counting dlc. Is that really the community's fault or the devs fault that nerfed the content so much? A community only thrives when they have to interact with each other but there's literally no reason to do so outside of group dungeons etc.

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO · June 2016

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Hoping the game burns down.? So because YOU don't like it, no one is allowed to enjoy it.? Well feel free to quit, your mentality will not be missed

I used to love and defend the good game we used to have, not the piece of trash we got these days. Really, the good game is dead and now we got something that's best to be burned with fire.

So YOU don't like it.. That does not make it bad, but maybe you should find something else that you like instead.. Millions of people find enough reasons to stay, which would indicate that they like it.. Which again would indicate that the game is doing fine

"I’m considered a Hardcore gamer, a player that logs in every day for several hours and spent more tan 500 bucks in this game"
This is your definition of a hardcore gamer.. Well by that criteria, I'm hardcore as hell, yet I have no issue with the content.. Maybe this game is simply not for you

It's bad, it's just that there's so many sheep in the game these days that can't play or anything that they cater to. It's a shame, it used to be a good game, now it's all trash.

NobleNerd · June 2016

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Hoping the game burns down.? So because YOU don't like it, no one is allowed to enjoy it.? Well feel free to quit, your mentality will not be missed

I used to love and defend the good game we used to have, not the piece of trash we got these days. Really, the good game is dead and now we got something that's best to be burned with fire.

So YOU don't like it.. That does not make it bad, but maybe you should find something else that you like instead.. Millions of people find enough reasons to buy the game, which would indicate that they were sucked in by hype.. Which again would indicate that the game was doing okay

"I’m considered a Hardcore gamer, a player that logs in every day for several hours and spent more tan 500 bucks in this game"
This is your definition of a hardcore gamer.. Well by that criteria, I'm hardcore as hell, yet I have no issue with the content.. Maybe this game is simply not for you

Fixed your statement (see bold sections). The 7 million that Firor spouted during E3 was a sad attempt to hype the game numbers. I believe since launch and Console launch possibly 7 million have bought the game. There is not 7 million supporting the game now!

Daemons_Bane · June 2016

Maybe the community thrives on communication and social interaction.. But there are tons of players that would rather prefer to be able to do the content themselves, and sees other players as more of a kind of npcs that make the game look more alive

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO · June 2016

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Maybe the community thrives on communication and social interaction.. But there are tons of players that would rather prefer to be able to do the content themselves, and sees other players as more of a kind of npcs that make the game look more alive

Then buy a singleplayer game instead? Don't have to come and dumb down the game so that everything is soloable just because some special snowflakes couldn't bother to look for another person to play with.

Daemons_Bane · June 2016

There is no one that says that just because you play an MMO, you HAVE to interact with others

.. Sometimes it's fun, but at other times you just want to mind your own bussiness.. There are room for both

Grunim · June 2016

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Maybe the community thrives on communication and social interaction.. But there are tons of players that would rather prefer to be able to do the content themselves, and sees other players as more of a kind of npcs that make the game look more alive

I'd buy that argument and I don't think it's a bad thing whatsoever. I'm not particularly interested in terribly difficult PvE content either and I'm someone who usually went with normal difficulty when playing TES games.

Zaldan · June 2016

you're mistaken, there are no hardcore gamers in ESO, Matt Firor said so lol

Daemons_Bane · June 2016

Grunim wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Maybe the community thrives on communication and social interaction.. But there are tons of players that would rather prefer to be able to do the content themselves, and sees other players as more of a kind of npcs that make the game look more alive

I'd buy that argument and I don't think it's a bad thing whatsoever. I'm not particularly interested in terribly difficult PvE content either and I'm someone who usually went with normal difficulty when playing TES games.

Well, I've beaten the old games senseless on max difficulty, so it's nice to come here and relax

my reason for playing the game solo is that as soon as I get in groups, everything feels so rushed.. People want to get the dungeon done in as little time as possible, no time to read fun books, pages lying around, no time to check that exciting little cave in the corner, or even read the quest text.. I come here to unwind, not to rush

STEVIL · June 2016

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

@Mitoice
ESO Future for casual gamers* Fixed it for you OP since Matt Firor said we don't exist and only caters to casuals who got to another game at the flip of the switch while us hardcore players do that buy faithfully return to game.

"You don't see a hardcore playstyle - like playing for six months and then quitting - we don't see that." Matt Firor.

You seem to be using hardcore to refer to players who buy faithfully and return, he defined it for his discussion as those who play a six month window and then leave.

So, obviously, unless really obtuse, he wasn't saying they dont see you, right?

i mean, he defined it AS HE SAID IT so anyone sticking in their own definition to his comment is being... well... you pick the word.

Lysette · June 2016

FloppyFrank wrote: »

There really isn't a future for hardcore players cause ZOS doesn't really cater to them. They don't really care about putting out new endgame content, for all they care they could just keep making singleplayer dlc and new crown store ***. They just wanna make money

and they will, because that is what people like me care for as well - so they will just deliver what I want and they will get what they want - a win-win situation. This way it is a continuation of the series and will fill the gap until TES VI will arrive.

Grunim · June 2016

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Maybe the community thrives on communication and social interaction.. But there are tons of players that would rather prefer to be able to do the content themselves, and sees other players as more of a kind of npcs that make the game look more alive

Then buy a singleplayer game instead? Don't have to come and dumb down the game so that everything is soloable just because some special snowflakes couldn't bother to look for another person to play with.

Nah, I love group PvP. I love this game and how I can go have some fun doing solo PvE when in the mood and then switch gears to the action in Cyrodiil. Besides, I had a ton of fun doing Litany of Blood achievement the other day, I didn't look up how to cheat on it so I was doing it quite hardcore by reading the clues and figuring stuff out on my own. While waiting for a certain mob to spawn again I ran into another player and we had an impromptu RP session involving Dark Brotherhood lore. I couldn't do that on a single player game.

bimbo · June 2016

I wouldn't play this game if wasn't the reasons above, I need it casual.

if you are hardcore players. go play wow, every time they do level increase. ur old gears are obsolete and have fun farming over and over.

One of the reason i love this game b/c i do NOT need to farm gears over and over, there are so many sets now and you can try different combination for different style and purpose, it's one of the amazing features ESO offers than other MMORPGs.

NobleNerd · June 2016

Zaldan wrote: »

you're mistaken, there are no hardcore gamers in ESO, Matt Firor said so lol

Firor is also refraining from using MMO to refer to ESO. It's all good until a better single player rpg takes all their precious cash cows away for 3-6 months! Then crown store mounts will become 5k crowns and they will go the way of RIFT and other games to milk what they can out of the "gotta have it" store buyers.

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO · June 2016

bimbo wrote: »

I wouldn't play this game if wasn't the reasons above, I need it casual.

if you are hardcore players. go play wow, every time they do level increase. ur old gears are obsolete and have fun farming over and over.

One of the reason i love this game b/c i do NOT need to farm gears over and over, there are so many sets now and you can try different combination for different style and purpose, it's one of the amazing features ESO offers than other MMORPGs.

I don't need to have to farm gear over and over for it to be hardcore, I just want the open world to be challenging with a new char. I played a new char after 2 years and I only used green/white items, no sets and no CP's put in and I was getting bored to death as the game has become so easy. You'd have to be completely inept to not be able to kill all the things in the non-dlc open world content.

Lysette · June 2016

NobleNerd wrote: »

Zaldan wrote: »

you're mistaken, there are no hardcore gamers in ESO, Matt Firor said so lol

Firor is also refraining from using MMO to refer to ESO. It's all good until a better single player rpg takes all their precious cash cows away for 3-6 months! Then crown store mounts will become 5k crowns and they will go the way of RIFT and other games to milk what they can out of the "gotta have it" store buyers.

Games like RIFT have no tradition - they are "just another fantasy MMO" - but this here is Elder Scrolls, it has tradition and some of us grew up with it - it is THE fantasy world we want to play in - not some other random fantasy MMO. i bet pretty much the same is valid for WoW and it's players, who grew up with the game, it is their preferred world and the reason, why this game has been doing well. And this basically hinders that typical WoW players would go to ESO or the other way round - it is just not THEIR fantasy world.

Edit: one of the reasons, why I did not join for long - but just end of last year - was, that it was before too much of an MMO and too less of a TES game. This is changing now and it is good that it is changing, because it has to be a real Elder Scrolls game to succeed. One Tamriel is the next step to it - finally an open world, where I can quest wherever I want, freedom of choice, no level-gated zones. ZOS is now catering to the bond, which is between TES fans and the world of the Elder Scrolls - whilst you hardcore guys might not have this deep bond, you see leaving ESO as a viable option, whereas for real TES fans having to leave Tamriel would be a disaster, something we would not appreciate.

LadyHeloise · June 2016

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

....Then buy a singleplayer game instead? Don't have to come and dumb down the game so that everything is soloable just because some special snowflakes couldn't bother to look for another person to play with.

I would find the irony of moaning about 'special snowflakes' by such a hardcore special snowflake quite amusing if it wasn't so insulting to players who don't play your way. I love the Elder Scrolls world for itself. As the following poster stated:

bimbo wrote: »

I wouldn't play this game if wasn't the reasons above, I need it casual.

if you are hardcore players. go play wow, every time they do level increase. ur old gears are obsolete and have fun farming over and over.

One of the reason i love this game b/c i do NOT need to farm gears over and over, there are so many sets now and you can try different combination for different style and purpose, it's one of the amazing features ESO offers than other MMORPGs.

Callous2208 · June 2016

Would love to see the achievements on some of these so called hardcore players. I'm almost certain their trial completions, leader board scores, and pvp rank would suggest otherwise. That being said, there is no way to support the hardcore crowd and please them indefinitely. ZOS had the balls to realize this and move on. There is no way to provide enough challenging, new content, fast enough to appease folks who are spending unhealthy amounts of time in front of their monitor/tv's. Now that I'm a grown man, I can see this clearly, and respect and enjoy the direction Zeni is going with their product.

gw2only1b14_ESO · June 2016

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

I think not many of us left, seems like the easy street instant gratification players are where the money is, and companies will always go where the money is, If Camelot Unchained turns out to be good game, it will attract more hardcore players nothing in that game will be instant, from what I have read and seen.

Well seems many wondering if it will come out:

http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/452868/will-camelot-unchained-ever-effing-release#latest

On another Note every game Ive been in it seems the ADD and Hardcore crowed( pfft need every add on to play or compete) seem to basically Ruin the game.