I want to hear all of the Nightblades opinions on stam and mag builds

Cameron991
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Hello Nightblades I wanna here all of your opinions on what the best build is right now magika or stamina? Which one is the best in pvp overall. Thank you for sharing your opinions
  • RAGUNAnoOne
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    For PvP? Magicka is great if you are a cloak then proxy bomber it is better for zerg bombing but stam with DB of smiting combined with steel tornado but the base class moves are better for single target ganking. Both are glass cannons. Magicka can easily double as a healer though.
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  • Cameron991
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    So what would you personally recommend for a dunmer to kill people fast? @RAGUNAnoOne
  • thankyourat
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    I played magicka nightblade since forever, but I think stamina is better overall. medium armor shuffle and dodge roll are just too good. Also stam nightblade has better easier burst damage.
  • Cameron991
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    Ok i play stam Rn but everyone wonders why I play dunmer Stamblade I play stam for the dps and dunmer my fav race @thankyourat
  • DRXHarbinger
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    Stamina is far better. Magika NB gets crushed unless you cloak and fear everything away. For a stand and fight then stamina I'll happily get in anyone's face that isn't emp. My magika NB just doesn't hit anywhere near as hard.

    Plus reverse slice makes for some good gang banging. Pick the weakest one and it'll. Pass on 25k ticks to anyone next to them pretty epic skill atm.
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  • Mush55
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    For Pve magic nb is hard to beat group utility with healing from damage, buffs from the same , before the dlc no sustain issues little more tricky now.

    Overall a lot better than stam nb (pve)

    For pvp I would say it's reversed with stam having the upper hand.
  • ReaX
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    stamina nightblade dps isn't bad
  • Mush55
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    ReaX wrote: »
    stamina nightblade dps isn't bad

    Never said it was......
  • Bromburak
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    The one you can handle best.
  • Tryxus
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    I main a MagBlade but I have a StamBlade too.

    My MagBlade is rlly quite flexible, being able to go solo or provide group support but a downside of the MagBlade is that the build is lacking a bit in offensive power and burst. Especially when compared to its Stamina counterpart.

    MagBlade has better survivability tho: Swallow Soul & Sap Essence combined with a Resto Staff and Devouring Swarm from Vampires, as well as access to Harness Magicka. Your main offense comes from Concealed Weapon, Lotus Fan and Soul Harvest with Proxy Det to counter large groups

    Gank possibilities are there with Kena and Clever Alchemist, though I personally prefer more sustain with Seducer, Magnus or Kagrenac

    Now, for StamBlade, they're all about power. Surprise Attack, Ambush and Incapacitating Strike (the Stamina morphs of the offensive skills mentioned above) are lethal from stealth and are gonna be your main bread and butter too on StamBlade.

    Though the StamBlade's survivability is less than that of the MagBlade (no shields, only Rally and Vigor for heals,...), a StamBlade makes up for it in power (as mentioned) and flexibility. My StamBlade is running all 3 Melee weapons, the Bow and Werewolf, giving you quite the tool kit to work with.

    My personal preferrence is Sword and Shield + Two Handed, though I switch it up when the situation calls for it (defending keeps with the Bow, Werewolf against zerg balls,...)

    I use Hundings Rage + Nightmother + Agility for gear, but when I switch to the bow I replace the Agility jewels and Nightmother with Marksman and a Kena piece
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  • kaithuzar
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    Proxy is no longer a thing unless you are getting prime zerg busting conditions which almost never happens.

    The damage from magicka is obviously less & no real "viable animation canceling" like stamina heavy attack cancel to dizzying swing. (feel free to argue against this I would love to hear it)
    Shuffle & dodge roll make it impossible to hit a stam user (lets not forget they have cloak too)
    Magicka users can run mist form but are not able to heal while it's up, stam users can dodge & heal (basically) at the same time.
    Double take just doesn't provide the miss chance that shuffle does & most people take the major expedition buff as magicka users because stamina users just use a bow & get major expedition. I don't even run double take any longer & have just removed it from my bar as a magicka user.
    I now swap back & forth between magicka harness & teleport shade.
    Lotus fan is a shoddy gap closer in comparison to crit rush/stampede/stamina morph of ambush giving an extra 20% dmg on next attack.

    You won't find yourself getting 1 shot by a magicka user from stealth very often but stamina users this is a daily thing. (maybe not one shot but you will hear 1 clink & see 4 diffent attacks on your death recount after what you saw was only one attack)
    This is due to poison inject & then they gap close, heavy attack cancel, reverse slice or dawn breaker & the arrow doesn't hit until something else hits first + animation cancel; the combo is too strong & magicka users don't have a combo near as good.

    Sure we can soul harvest from stealth as a magicka user but if they are wearing impen, holding block, or have shuffle up it's not going to kill them "assuming" it hits.

    I find the only thing I have going for killing stam users is running sap on main bar & hitting for fairly consistent 4k saps to pull them out of cloak.

    Magicka is superior to stamina in PVE in my opinion due to the adds not being able to dodge your attacks & the adds are not wearing impenetrable gear so crit matters.

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    Edited by kaithuzar on June 28, 2016 4:21PM
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  • Cody
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    stamblades are far better than manablades sadly, in PvP at least. Manablades can spam cloak but that is about it. Now for PvE i am not sure, I don't much care for this game's end game PvE content, I have done one trial, hated it, and never tried one again:/
    Edited by Cody on June 28, 2016 8:32PM
  • susmitds
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    In PvE, Magblades are better for Single-Target DPS but for multi-target DPS Stamblades are much better.
  • Mush55
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    susmitds wrote: »
    In PvE, Magblades are better for Single-Target DPS but for multi-target DPS Stamblades are much better.

    How so ?
    Edited by Mush55 on June 29, 2016 2:36PM
  • kaithuzar
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    yea that doesn't sound right to me either, magic can rotate proxies, sap, wall of elements, & twisting path
    stam users have steel tornado & the stam version of sap
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  • Stravokov
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    Magic Nightblade if you want utility damage and survivability. You can dual swords and go restoration staff. Also if you're going vampire magic is the way to go if you plan on using any of the vampire abilities. If you want to hit really hard but give up your utility and survivability go stamina. Keep in mind that stamina doesn't hit that much harder than Magic. I run magic Nightblade and my buddy wolf of the West runs stamina Nightblade. It's actually a really powerful combo if you duet in PvP with a buddy.
    Edited by Stravokov on June 29, 2016 9:29PM
  • Cameron991
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    I am really debating if I should switch to magblade or stay Stamblade bc I am going to reset morphs and abilities to become a vampire but I love pvping but I just wanna kill ppl fast so would sticking with stam be better? @Stravokov
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    Cameron991 wrote: »
    I am really debating if I should switch to magblade or stay Stamblade bc I am going to reset morphs and abilities to become a vampire but I love pvping but I just wanna kill ppl fast so would sticking with stam be better? Stravokov

    You can be a Vampire on a StamBlade too:

    - Dark Stalker for faster sneak speed
    - You get 10% extra Stamina Regen
    - You also get 10% extra Magicka regen for Cloaks and support skills
    - Damage mitigation from Undeath is pretty nice too
    - Access to Devouring Swarm, which on a Stam build is still a good thing to have even if it isnt' buffed by CP
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  • Fariko_Elemental
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    @Cameron991 People question you why you run stamina because Dark Elves passives are better for magicka builds. The max magicka and fire damage go well with a vicious death bomber. You can still be effective with stamina (overpowered) khajiit or redgaurd have much better passives. Both play styles are strong it goes down to what you want to play.
  • Stravokov
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    Yeah you can go both stamina or Magic but Magic is more beneficial if you plan on using vampire abilities and Nightblade magical abilities.

    With the recent changes to vampire drain Essence and Mist form are very useful both in PvP and PVE.bat swarm is also great because it is the only ultimate that you can turn on while applying your skill rotation.

    Also consider that magic is directly linked to your vampire healing and Nightblade healing abilities. Something to consider if you plan on running around in stage 4
  • Serenityx
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    Ive played a stam NB since I started in january. I picked a woodelf for RP reasons and cant thank myself enough. My build is very balanced with 2k buffed regen, and around 3.3k buffed weapon damage while dual wielding. I run 5 marksman (3 jewelry 2 armor) and 5 hundings (1 weapon 4 armor) and kena helm. 260 champ points which is 86 per tree:
    27 in precise strikes, 60 in mighty. 47 in tumbling and 39 in warlord. 30 in resistant, 39 in thick skinned and 18 in elemental defender. 6 divines 1 infused sharpened and precise on my weapons (precise daggers/sharpened 2h maul). 26k stam and 22k health with 7 stam enchants on armor 3 robust jewelry all 3 weapon damage enchants with orzogas health bonus + stam regen food.

    My opinion on NBs is that it really depends on your playstyle, magicka NBs have lots of support roles (healing, if your really into magicka playstyles check out some of the Magicka NB destro staff builds). Their are also plenty of DPS focused builds for magicka NBs. The great thing is that they are great at both support and DPS.

    Stamina NBs are mainly best at DPS. They can also tank/DPS if needed too in PvE.

    PvP stam NBs are off to a good start this patch gaining a physical damage ultimate and the stam morph of their class execute fixed now too. Ive had lots of of fun with my build especially since I can use max level gear now after DB. I prefer DW/2h over 2h/bow because I feel like DW is better at sustained DPS over pure burst even though both choices are excellent at both. DW because its passives make its ranged and AoE abilities cheap and extremely effective against low health and CC'ed targets. The 12% weapon damage passive from DW is also nice.
  • pcar944
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    you can be a Stamina and a Vamp, its fun

    I want to switch over to a Mag NB, but my NB is Imperial and forum people are saying its not the best idea
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