ESO+ VS Free user

GamerNoob16 · June 2016

Before I start discussing this I want to Clarify that THIS is just my opinion I have already been yelled at for stating it in a group on Facebook so please if you have nothing nice to say please don't say anything at all. First I want to say that I love this game I have been playing for over a year now and I'm addicted to it, it is one of the best MMO's I have ever played and I highly praise it. Okay I recently watched ZOS live stream on twitch a couple days ago about the upcoming changes and the two new dungeons, which look amazing, but this is mainly about the changes coming such as changing your race, the new hair styles, and mostly the dye your costume update. Let's discuss the change your race and appearance/class update, I don't have a problem with it you can purches tokens in the crown store and your can do it, I don't see anything wrong with that what so ever and I actually highly encourage it. Now for the big one which got me a little upset. You can buy in the crown store dye packs, alright that's fair and same as the other one I highly encourage it. You can dye your costume any color that you have already unlocked, but you have to be an ESO plus member in order to do it. Now I know a lot of your don't have a problem with this and to be honest you're right it isn't a big deal. However, I'm starting to see a pattern here with ZOS, first the crafting bags where added but only to ESO+ members, now the costume costume dyeing, what next player housing is only for ESO+ members...honestly wouldn't surprise me. I guess all this isn't a big deal but I'm just afraid that ZOS is going to become a pay to win company, no not a single thing I mention would be classified as "pay to win" the only thing that comes slightly close to that is the crafting bags, which you can upgrade your crafting bag space so that's why I said slightly. I understand that ESO+ members can get rewarded for their "loyalty" which I am fine by that and they deserve it, I encourage it. Overall my conclusion is this, I love ZOS and everything they have done they continue to impress me and I love and support them so much that I plan on after college to work for them, I really do hope though that they don't become "pay to win". I want to here your opinion about this, and please keep it civil.

Crowzer · June 2016

How about paragraph ?

Wollust · June 2016

Creating incentives for sub is in no way related to pay to win. For a company recurring cash flows are simply more important than stand alone purchases.

Vangy · June 2016

Wait....

It is my understanding that everyone can dye costumes. Just that ESO+ can do it for free while the rest have to pay?
Or am I mistaken and this feature is only available to ESO+ and even they have to pay?

AzraelKrieg · June 2016

Vangy wrote: »

Wait....

It is my understanding that everyone can dye costumes. Just that ESO+ can do it for free while the rest have to pay?
Or am I mistaken and this feature is only available to ESO+ and even they have to pay?

You're understanding is correct. ESO+ members get all dying options available to them with the sub. Non-ESO+ members need to pay for dye stamps

Vangy · June 2016

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Wait....

It is my understanding that everyone can dye costumes. Just that ESO+ can do it for free while the rest have to pay?
Or am I mistaken and this feature is only available to ESO+ and even they have to pay?

You're understanding is correct. ESO+ members get all dying options available to them with the sub. Non-ESO+ members need to pay for dye stamps

Ah phew. I would hate to pay for costume dyes even though im ESO+. So OP has nothing to worry about. You can dye costumes too OP. Just need to pay some crowns is all.

Rosveen · June 2016

Vangy wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Wait....

It is my understanding that everyone can dye costumes. Just that ESO+ can do it for free while the rest have to pay?
Or am I mistaken and this feature is only available to ESO+ and even they have to pay?

You're understanding is correct. ESO+ members get all dying options available to them with the sub. Non-ESO+ members need to pay for dye stamps

Ah phew. I would hate to pay for costume dyes even though im ESO+. So OP has nothing to worry about. You can dye costumes too OP. Just need to pay some crowns is all.

Not quite. The crown store will offer dye stamps with preset color schemes, rotated every now and then. So you can't choose your own scheme or even use dyes you unlocked through achievements, you have to hope ZOS will offer a combination that fits your style. It's unnecessarily limiting.

ADarklore · June 2016

I love how people post comments and then ask people not to reply if they don't agree... which is how I take the, "if you have nothing nice to say please don't say anything at all" comment.

First off, this has been discussed in NUMEROUS ongoing threads already, there was no need to start another one other than seemingly to draw attention to the OP. Furthermore, apparently the OP thinks that people should sub and expect to receive practically NOTHING in return for their investment... other than renting the DLCs (which if that was the only reason to sub it would be cheaper to buy them individually)... which is what many were doing. FINALLY ZOS realized that it needed to make ESO+ more attractive since they would gain more money in the long run from subs, so they began adding more incentives to increase subs, which has worked. Funny how people can expect a game to continue updates, additions, fixes, etc... without any ongoing source of steady income- which is what ESO+ generates... steady, reliable, income that they can better create an annual budget based upon- which isn't something they can do based upon whether or not someone is going to buy a DLC or not.

So yes, OP... ZOS will continue to increase the value of ESO+ to increase their reliable income... if you want those perks that come with ESO+, then all you have to do is sub.

Mortam · June 2016

GamerNoob16 wrote: »

Before I start discussing this I want to Clarify that THIS is just my opinion I have already been yelled at for stating it in a group on Facebook so please if you have nothing nice to say please don't say anything at all. First I want to say that I love this game I have been playing for over a year now and I'm addicted to it, it is one of the best MMO's I have ever played and I highly praise it. Okay I recently watched ZOS live stream on twitch a couple days ago about the upcoming changes and the two new dungeons, which look amazing, but this is mainly about the changes coming such as changing your race, the new hair styles, and mostly the dye your costume update. Let's discuss the change your race and appearance/class update, I don't have a problem with it you can purches tokens in the crown store and your can do it, I don't see anything wrong with that what so ever and I actually highly encourage it. Now for the big one which got me a little upset. You can buy in the crown store dye packs, alright that's fair and same as the other one I highly encourage it. You can dye your costume any color that you have already unlocked, but you have to be an ESO plus member in order to do it. Now I know a lot of your don't have a problem with this and to be honest you're right it isn't a big deal. However, I'm starting to see a pattern here with ZOS, first the crafting bags where added but only to ESO+ members, now the costume costume dyeing, what next player housing is only for ESO+ members...honestly wouldn't surprise me. I guess all this isn't a big deal but I'm just afraid that ZOS is going to become a pay to win company, no not a single thing I mention would be classified as "pay to win" the only thing that comes slightly close to that is the crafting bags, which you can upgrade your crafting bag space so that's why I said slightly. I understand that ESO+ members can get rewarded for their "loyalty" which I am fine by that and they deserve it, I encourage it. Overall my conclusion is this, I love ZOS and everything they have done they continue to impress me and I love and support them so much that I plan on after college to work for them, I really do hope though that they don't become "pay to win". I want to here your opinion about this, and please keep it civil.

Paying to play content, is in no way pay to win. Paying to gain power over a none paying player is pay to win. Subbing to a game is NOT pay to win, you are paying the price to play ALL the content. If you don't want to sub, then sorry, but you don't get some content. It's pretty obvious that ZOS wants people to subscribe, that's why they are adding more perks to the sub option.

Remember a few years ago, the only way to play most MMOs was to pay a sub fee. There where no cash shops or micro transactions. You PAID to PLAY.

Now you get to play with no sub fee if you wish, but yes you will not have access to some perks.

razzle1184kicks · June 2016

Would have read it if it was in paragraphs.

Major fail

Knightpanther · June 2016

I wanted to read this, but the wall looked too frightening.

Martinus72 · June 2016

Oh noes not again...

Duiwel · June 2016

OP logic:

IF you can store more craftable collectables and resources instead of selling them when you have too many banked and if you can dye your costumes you have won the game

-claps

Please OP find us the cure for cancer next you are definitely on the right track!

AmberLaTerra · June 2016

Cry us a river, maybe you can find a way to bottle the tears and sell them to pay for sub.

Seriously no sub income = no game. Them adding perks to ESO+ both helps keep the game alive for everyone, and gives a valid reason to sub.

Julianos · June 2016

crafting bags was the best thing ever happened to this game since launch

Sylveria_Relden · June 2016

I'm going to start making a copy/pasta template for each and every one of these posts when they creep up again.

Really simply- if you want the crafting bag, then sub and continue supporting the game. If you don't want to sub, then you don't get the bag.

Not having the bag doesn't make subs "pay to win", you can still bank/inventory your crafting materials, just like any other player. You just have to manage your inventory a little more creatively.

I wholeheartedly agree with ZOS on this move and wish they would take it even further.

Minute_Waltz · June 2016

ESO+ can dye their costumes to something they really like and therefore boosting their ingame concentration level given that they will stare harder at their toon, as a result higher dps is achieved due to higher concentration. Thats pay to win in my books

AmberLaTerra · June 2016

Minute_Waltz wrote: »

ESO+ can dye their costumes to something they really like and therefore boosting their ingame concentration level given that they will stare harder at their toon, as a result higher dps is achieved due to higher concentration. Thats pay to win in my books

wouldn't that have the opposite effect? they would be too busy staring at their toon to focus properly on what they are doing and thereby lower their DPS so it becomes P2L

Sylveria_Relden · June 2016

AmberLaTerra wrote: »

Minute_Waltz wrote: »

ESO+ can dye their costumes to something they really like and therefore boosting their ingame concentration level given that they will stare harder at their toon, as a result higher dps is achieved due to higher concentration. Thats pay to win in my books

wouldn't that have the opposite effect? they would be too busy staring at their toon to focus properly on what they are doing and thereby lower their DPS so it becomes P2L

Unless they're purposely the "bait"

Hello Kitty Bait FTW

GamerNoob16 · June 2016

Thank you all for your input on this. To be completely honest I had no idea that there was another post about this and I apologize. I'd also like to say that in no way do I think ESO is pay to win and like I said in the post that I absolutely encourage ESO+ and they should be rewarded for subbing. This time I made it a paragraph

GamerNoob16 · June 2016

Duiwel wrote: »

OP logic:

IF you can store more craftable collectables and resources instead of selling them when you have too many banked and if you can dye your costumes you have won the game

-claps

Please OP find us the cure for cancer next you are definitely on the right track!

Did I say that? No I didn't.

GamerNoob16 · June 2016

razzle1184kicks wrote: »

Would have read it if it was in paragraphs.

Major fail

I'll be sure to make it a paragraph then for you

GamerNoob16 · June 2016

AmberLaTerra wrote: »

Cry us a river, maybe you can find a way to bottle the tears and sell them to pay for sub.

Seriously no sub income = no game. Them adding perks to ESO+ both helps keep the game alive for everyone, and gives a valid reason to sub.

Never said subs was a bad thing, in fact I'd sub if I had the money, but college doesn't come cheap.

KimberlyannKitsuragi · June 2016

Sylveria_Relden wrote: »

I'm going to start making a copy/pasta template for each and every one of these posts when they creep up again.

Really simply- if you want the crafting bag, then sub and continue supporting the game. If you don't want to sub, then you don't get the bag.

Not having the bag doesn't make subs "pay to win", you can still bank/inventory your crafting materials, just like any other player. You just have to manage your inventory a little more creatively.

I wholeheartedly agree with ZOS on this move and wish they would take it even further.

As do I. I pay my sub and it's the one thing I indulge myself on. Without ESO I'd be insane. I already worry about my inventory a lot (aside from the crafting bag)because I forget to set my research and deconstruct stuff once when I log on and again before I log off. So my inventory is usually always full lol. I don't have to worry about my crafting mats taking up space. Just have to remember to research and decon

JamieAubrey · June 2016

TL;DR

idk · June 2016

When Zos changed their business model to permit B2P I thought the ESO+ perks rather weak, especially considering his cheap the DLC cost was.

Zos is stepping up their game in an appropriate manner to encourage subscription. This is healthy for the game in the short and long term.

While I understand some may want some of these new perks without having to sub, Zos is making solid and sound business decisions.

P2W, after a year of this model, has not come into play and Zos seems to understand it is detrimental to the game.

Also, please edit your OP to format it in a manner making it easier to read. Thx.

Divinius · June 2016

Didn't feel like reading the whole wall-o-text. Can I assume this is just another crafting bag complaint thread?

GamerNoob16 · June 2016

ADarklore wrote: »

I love how people post comments and then ask people not to reply if they don't agree... which is how I take the, "if you have nothing nice to say please don't say anything at all" comment.

First off, this has been discussed in NUMEROUS ongoing threads already, there was no need to start another one other than seemingly to draw attention to the OP. Furthermore, apparently the OP thinks that people should sub and expect to receive practically NOTHING in return for their investment... other than renting the DLCs (which if that was the only reason to sub it would be cheaper to buy them individually)... which is what many were doing. FINALLY ZOS realized that it needed to make ESO+ more attractive since they would gain more money in the long run from subs, so they began adding more incentives to increase subs, which has worked. Funny how people can expect a game to continue updates, additions, fixes, etc... without any ongoing source of steady income- which is what ESO+ generates... steady, reliable, income that they can better create an annual budget based upon- which isn't something they can do based upon whether or not someone is going to buy a DLC or not.

So yes, OP... ZOS will continue to increase the value of ESO+ to increase their reliable income... if you want those perks that come with ESO+, then all you have to do is sub.

I apologize that there was another post like this. The whole "if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all" only applies to people who are so toxic that it makes your eyes bleed, for example. "Get cancer and die", " mabey you should sniff car smoke", "WOW's community". Honestly ESO's community is awesome with a few being toxic.

GamerNoob16 · June 2016

Duiwel wrote: »

OP logic:

IF you can store more craftable collectables and resources instead of selling them when you have too many banked and if you can dye your costumes you have won the game

-claps

Please OP find us the cure for cancer next you are definitely on the right track!

WOW I never though I would be this close to finding it...to bad I didn't find it in time to save my father...

Lysette · June 2016

Vangy wrote: »

Wait....

It is my understanding that everyone can dye costumes. Just that ESO+ can do it for free while the rest have to pay?
Or am I mistaken and this feature is only available to ESO+ and even they have to pay?

non-subscribers can buy dye stamps - which are consumables - and have preset colors - free choice of color (among those colors you have unlocked) is ESO+ exclusive.

Transairion · June 2016

AmberLaTerra wrote: »

Cry us a river, maybe you can find a way to bottle the tears and sell them to pay for sub.

Seriously no sub income = no game. Them adding perks to ESO+ both helps keep the game alive for everyone, and gives a valid reason to sub.

This always comes up for different MMO's, but it just isn't true. If subs added so much money, all these MMO's wouldn't go F2P or Buy 2 Play instead of just staying a sub only model like the developers intended.

Subs alone don't make enough money, simple as that. Sure, you want to have subs, but relying on subs only is stupid since they can't support your game. ESO itself only managed to last a single year on a sub-only model, which was hilariously sad.