NA server PC Trueflame DC pop locked? What a joke.

DUTCH_REAPER · June 2016

Your algorithm is funny ZOS. Pop locked across yet the only mass of players (EP and AD I'm talking to you) going against a supposedly pop locked DC faction and where was everybody? IC you say? Nope. In Cyrodil you say? If so they weren't there tonight yet we are "pop locked". And what on Earth is up with EP and AD pushin DC anyways? EP has EMP and AD has the lead. Team Orange your beautiful. /sarcasm. I saw one AD guild tonight at Rayles that wasn't running with 100+ players behind them. (Good on you btw although why you wanted Rayles dumbfounds me.

I get it. You have lots of players in your factions. Why not put them against the other faction that has the same amount and maybe even destabilize from the lead or dethrone an EMP? Just curious. Maybe one of these EP or AD players can enlighten me. I doubt it. Can't wait to hear it.

PrinceFabious · June 2016

Ask some DC in Haddy to help yall. DC in haddy is the new AD zerg.

DUTCH_REAPER · June 2016

I truly get it. The other factions are heavily populated. They shouldn't suffer because people want to play for them. But when we as an under populated faction log in and the thing is displaying poplocked. That's some serious false advertising.

ataggs · June 2016

To be honest it has been a really competitive campaign, but it seems like DC quit at some point tonight. My guild has been fighting EP and the emp group for a while as they are active

Rohamad_Ali · June 2016

We're holding Our ground pretty damn well . Many of Us can't stay up all night though .

ataggs · June 2016

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

We're holding Our ground pretty damn well . Many of Us can't stay up all night though .

I think my post was poorly worded, I should have said that when I logged off we hadn't engaged with DC on a while.

fastolfv_ESO · June 2016

i logged out from frustration due to lag, not just lag but when i light anything and 2+ ad raids show up we lock up and yet lag seems to not effect the overpopulated side. Its hard to ask your guild to stick through it night after night especially with the extra lag cyro has had this week. BTW those Had dc go to TF for IC for the "competition" thats why DC actually pop locks but even locked doesnt mean we have equal numbers to other factions locked. The last time i heard any official response about pop locks it was early in the game but recall something about the highest pop faction being allowed to go 20% higher then the lowest, would love if someone could find something official explaining it since that may be outdated info

Elsir · June 2016

Did you check Fort Ash? You should have checked Fort Ash. When I logged in, 3 AD (myself included) decided to knock on the Fort Ash door with a ram. This was the response from DC.

Asgari · June 2016

When people attack a factions home keep why are they surprised when a lot show up? Isn't that how it's always been?

Sharee · June 2016

The pop lock icon appears way before the population is actually locked. Around 80% full IIRC. DC EU trueflame is always locked at primetime, but i can't remember the last time i had to wait in a queue when i tried to join.

pcar944 · June 2016

its been really tiresome playing as a DC this campaign, its been bad for the last few, this one is the worst yet

I like how the scores are looking and I understand that this happens to people at different times when they play, but the zergs are real

and as for that Ash shot, for every 1 of yours, I could start saving my screens and show you when 1-2 DC take a resource and 20-30 EP/AD come out to take it back - and these are organize guilds with Warlords/Overlords in groups, absolutely insane

but I understand, you never know how many are actually at resource

it is what it is, can't help it

kevlarto_ESO · June 2016

I guess it's the time of day you play when I am on it always seems like EP and DC are pushing AD even when DC does not own some of their own keeps

Telel · June 2016

pcar944 wrote: »

its been really tiresome playing as a DC this campaign, its been bad for the last few, this one is the worst yet

I like how the scores are looking and I understand that this happens to people at different times when they play, but the zergs are real

and as for that Ash shot, for every 1 of yours, I could start saving my screens and show you when 1-2 DC take a resource and 20-30 EP/AD come out to take it back - and these are organize guilds with Warlords/Overlords in groups, absolutely insane

but I understand, you never know how many are actually at resource

it is what it is, can't help it

This is where Telel says you can thank 'pro' PVPers who love to farm AP by slaughtering newbs and the general lack of folks willing to lead and teach the newer players.

It often comes down to a matter of simply not wanting to leave people to slaughter helpless newbs and or not having sufficient groups to spread people out. So if certain members of a faction are actually trying to win the campaign then you get a certain level of overkill.

Or the soloers who can't/won't group but DO want to help win the campaign congregate organically to those spots so the larger groups can continue to go on the offense. And once those crossed swords pop up on a map....

Especially when there's a sudden rush near the bottom of the hour to grab up resources for quick points.

Joy_Division · June 2016

Can we stop with the "woe-is-our-innocent-faction" nonsense? The scoreboard and every AD that has gotten run over by the Blue hordes at the Brindle-Ash-Roe triangle this past campaign says DC have not been victims for the past month.

I didn't see Saramis much and his multiple raids last night. As much as people whine about raid stacking and zerging, they sure seem to appreciate the benefits that come from their own faction doing it.

Rohamad_Ali · June 2016

Joy_Division wrote: »

Can we stop with the "woe-is-our-innocent-faction" nonsense? The scoreboard and every AD that has gotten run over by the Blue hordes at the Brindle-Ash-Roe triangle this past campaign says DC have not been victims for the past month.

I didn't see Saramis much and his multiple raids last night. As much as people whine about raid stacking and zerging, they sure seem to appreciate the benefits that come from their own faction doing it.

Lets be fair . The OP doesn't represent all DC . Also , TF has been nothing short of horde vs horde on every faction this weekend . The statement about DC not really being pop locked was true most of the night . Despite the lock symbol being up no one had a problem with a que . Then again DC can hold its own pretty well with 3 bars .

Ourorboros · June 2016

Joy_Division wrote: »

Can we stop with the "woe-is-our-innocent-faction" nonsense? The scoreboard and every AD that has gotten run over by the Blue hordes at the Brindle-Ash-Roe triangle this past campaign says DC have not been victims for the past month.

I didn't see Saramis much and his multiple raids last night. As much as people whine about raid stacking and zerging, they sure seem to appreciate the benefits that come from their own faction doing it.

Saramis, and BoD, was there last night, same as every night. It's actually rare when our group is more than a full raid. We only form a second group if main raid is full and a lot of guild members are trying to join. Even then, we merge into one raid as soon as possible. We are not responsible for the randoms and other guilds that go to where we have created action.

As to the gist of OP, for much of this campaign our raid has been met with overwhelming force at every turn. If we wipe a smaller force, invariably we are then swarmed by double or triple our size. Can't say that I blame AD or EP for this, and it feels pretty good that it takes overwhelming forces to wipe us

. But again, we seem to be one of the only large DC groups running on TF NA, while both AD and EP are fielding multiple raids. If we are all pop locked, please explain why there is such an imbalance of both AD and EP. See you on the field of battle, Joy.

Zheg · June 2016

Blue is second on score so of course yellow would shift to targeting them after getting a more comfortable lead on red. As for the emp, I'll probably push dethrone later today if others haven't done it already. We made a solid attempt last night but my willpower to put up with last emp keep BS and lag is almost none nowadays. Having emp is one of the worst things for your score - as red learned last night, and as yellow knows well given they lost over a 1k point lead the last time we had it. I was happy red had emp.

As for why yellow pushes blue, it's mostly score right now. The other reason is because saramis will pvdoor brindle if we focus on red, and then pvdoor everything to the south. If i knew blue would stop at ash or nikel it'd be one thing, but if you don't keep up pressure they all stack and start pushing south.

For the very end of the night, there were more blue than i had seen all campaign between ash and nikel, i had to farm them at the gate for a bit.

Joy_Division · June 2016

Ourorboros wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Can we stop with the "woe-is-our-innocent-faction" nonsense? The scoreboard and every AD that has gotten run over by the Blue hordes at the Brindle-Ash-Roe triangle this past campaign says DC have not been victims for the past month.

I didn't see Saramis much and his multiple raids last night. As much as people whine about raid stacking and zerging, they sure seem to appreciate the benefits that come from their own faction doing it.

Saramis, and BoD, was there last night, same as every night. It's actually rare when our group is more than a full raid. We only form a second group if main raid is full and a lot of guild members are trying to join. Even then, we merge into one raid as soon as possible. We are not responsible for the randoms and other guilds that go to where we have created action.

As to the gist of OP, for much of this campaign our raid has been met with overwhelming force at every turn. If we wipe a smaller force, invariably we are then swarmed by double or triple our size. Can't say that I blame AD or EP for this, and it feels pretty good that it takes overwhelming forces to wipe us . But again, we seem to be one of the only large DC groups running on TF NA, while both AD and EP are fielding multiple raids. If we are all pop locked, please explain why there is such an imbalance of both AD and EP. See you on the field of battle, Joy.

To be clear, I do not have a problem with how many raids DC (or EP or AD) run or where they are, even if that just happens to be at the same point. I really don't. That's open world PvP and the consequence of a map designed to funnel people into one spot. Like yourself, I actually don't mind being overwhelmed because it's certainly easier on the ego to be defeated that way.

What I do object to is every side ignoring what their own faction/group/whatever night in and night out while complaining that the other two are ruining the game. For all the criticism I have level at this game, its designers, its mechanics, I do not recall every blaming a particular faction or group for anything like that on the forums or even in Teamspeak. And I've been around for Brandon South-Ga. It is what it is and I wish people would be more cognizant that for every time they get 'zerged' (usually unintentionally) they 'zerg' down someone else (usually unintentionally). Rez at wayshirne and, as you say, see you on the field of battle.

Ourorboros · June 2016

Zheg wrote: »

Blue is second on score so of course yellow would shift to targeting them after getting a more comfortable lead on red. As for the emp, I'll probably push dethrone later today if others haven't done it already. We made a solid attempt last night but my willpower to put up with last emp keep BS and lag is almost none nowadays. Having emp is one of the worst things for your score - as red learned last night, and as yellow knows well given they lost over a 1k point lead the last time we had it. I was happy red had emp.

As for why yellow pushes blue, it's mostly score right now. The other reason is because saramis will pvdoor brindle if we focus on red, and then pvdoor everything to the south. If i knew blue would stop at ash or nikel it'd be one thing, but if you don't keep up pressure they all stack and start pushing south.

For the very end of the night, there were more blue than i had seen all campaign between ash and nikel, i had to farm them at the gate for a bit.

You know us too well!

DUTCH_REAPER · June 2016

Zheg wrote: »

Blue is second on score so of course yellow would shift to targeting them after getting a more comfortable lead on red. As for the emp, I'll probably push dethrone later today if others haven't done it already. We made a solid attempt last night but my willpower to put up with last emp keep BS and lag is almost none nowadays. Having emp is one of the worst things for your score - as red learned last night, and as yellow knows well given they lost over a 1k point lead the last time we had it. I was happy red had emp.

As for why yellow pushes blue, it's mostly score right now. The other reason is because saramis will pvdoor brindle if we focus on red, and then pvdoor everything to the south. If i knew blue would stop at ash or nikel it'd be one thing, but if you don't keep up pressure they all stack and start pushing south.

For the very end of the night, there were more blue than i had seen all campaign between ash and nikel, i had to farm them at the gate for a bit.

Thank you for the reasoning / rationale. Will pm you in hopes of establishing a dialog between guilds in pvp.

fastolfv_ESO · June 2016

lol pvdoor brindle theres been a good dozen ad just sitting inside that keep for atleast the last 2 weeks when we approach, its a good 1-1 ration in attack and defense b4 the raids show up and turn it into a lag fest

Zheg · June 2016

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

lol pvdoor brindle theres been a good dozen ad just sitting inside that keep for atleast the last 2 weeks when we approach, its a good 1-1 ration in attack and defense b4 the raids show up and turn it into a lag fest

If it's a 1-1 ratio then that means you only ever have 12 in group, including any pugs that followed. If you want to be salty that's fine, this is the Alliance War Salt forum section after all, but let's try and stay honest.

Pvdoor technically is when there aren't any defenders at all, but I consider it the same when you have a strong organized raid and there are a handful of defenders at the keep. I have no problems admitting there are times I push up north and try to sneak a keep with pvdoor before the raids can respond in time in the hopes of taking pressure off yellow, why is it such a sore subject for you eh?

danno8 · June 2016

Sharee wrote: »

The pop lock icon appears way before the population is actually locked. Around 80% full IIRC.

As simple as this, really.

DHale · June 2016

There are blues on PC na tru flame wow... Crazy. No seriously Steve, Zheg and to the rest of VE. Thank you for helping us win this campaign. Being one of the very few super strong AD guilds left it's is good to have your incredible team with us and for being super cool and supporting map control and not just farming noobs at Alessia Sej bridge or sitting in towers waiting for pugglies to fly up in the air to volcanic runes.

fastolfv_ESO · June 2016

pretty sure i left it as a no brainer that i hit keeps with a range of numbers, your assuming i magically pull 23 other ppl out of my ass every second im in cyro but its fine, i wouldnt argue with you about numbers, after all when you hit a keep with 12 you scream at people you had 3 lol im still dying over that failed roe retake excuse

Satiar · June 2016

DHale wrote: »

There are blues on PC na tru flame wow... Crazy. No seriously Steve, Zheg and to the rest of VE. Thank you for helping us win this campaign. Being one of the very few super strong AD guilds left it's is good to have your incredible team with us and for being super cool and supporting map control and not just farming noobs at Alessia Sej bridge or sitting in towers waiting for pugglies to fly up in the air to volcanic runes.

I figured if we'd go to all the trouble of rerolling we might as well secure at least one good win

Knock on wood for the finish line.

maxjapank · June 2016

The balance between factions has actually been pretty good this campaign cycle, especially during Oceanic time. Big props to RAM for making the switch to AD. If anything, blue could still use some forces. But we're expecting some newer Japanese players to appear on DC side in the coming weeks.

Hempyre · June 2016

AD was pretty low pop last campaign, good players but not many of them. Now it seems you can't swing a dead cat without hitting 30 bananas...

It's still not as bad as EP pre ban. I try not to be a conspiracy guy but damn the map was red 24/7 and after bans... eh not so much. I'm not trying to accuse but it makes a guy wonder. Not singling the reds out, every faction had them.

I don't complain about getting ground up, that's large scale pvp, that's how it goes. And through the course of a day I've seen every faction take and lose control.

This is a very close campaign, maybe for the peeps that only have time to play when an opposing faction is prime time I can see it being frustrating. I can see how it feels like" team orange" for DC, but I'm sure that zone chat rings that call in every faction at times.

It does at time seem odd to be poplocked when it feels like there isnt a balance in numbers, if that's actually the case it would be nice to have zos look into that and maybe figure out an equitable way to balance. I can't think of how though... I'm more inclined to believe that kind of thing goes around pretty evenly throughout the day and night.

I'd like to see less bitching in chat about it, and about chal and complaining about losing this or that keep, or how whichever faction you play "cant do this or that right" you want an FC? Put one down... complaining about not being able to get a group? Make one... There's to much of It, keeps change hands, it happens a hundred times a day. All the bitching and negativity does is make me want to do something else, and I doubt I'm alone in that. This game in particular in chat and forums has got some salty playerz

Lucky28 · June 2016

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

Your algorithm is funny ZOS. Pop locked across yet the only mass of players (EP and AD I'm talking to you) going against a supposedly pop locked DC faction and where was everybody? IC you say? Nope. In Cyrodil you say? If so they weren't there tonight yet we are "pop locked". And what on Earth is up with EP and AD pushin DC anyways? EP has EMP and AD has the lead. Team Orange your beautiful. /sarcasm. I saw one AD guild tonight at Rayles that wasn't running with 100+ players behind them. (Good on you btw although why you wanted Rayles dumbfounds me.

I get it. You have lots of players in your factions. Why not put them against the other faction that has the same amount and maybe even destabilize from the lead or dethrone an EMP? Just curious. Maybe one of these EP or AD players can enlighten me. I doubt it. Can't wait to hear it.

What that's all about; is DC pissed EP off. EP was pushing AD earlier in the Camp and still wants to push AD. but what do you think DC does?.... they push chal. they don't try and push the horde of AD and take back their home keeps (Ash) they push chal and BRK.

that is why EP pushes DC. Because DC will not leave our keeps alone and let us push AD.

Zheg · June 2016

Lucky28 wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

Your algorithm is funny ZOS. Pop locked across yet the only mass of players (EP and AD I'm talking to you) going against a supposedly pop locked DC faction and where was everybody? IC you say? Nope. In Cyrodil you say? If so they weren't there tonight yet we are "pop locked". And what on Earth is up with EP and AD pushin DC anyways? EP has EMP and AD has the lead. Team Orange your beautiful. /sarcasm. I saw one AD guild tonight at Rayles that wasn't running with 100+ players behind them. (Good on you btw although why you wanted Rayles dumbfounds me.

I get it. You have lots of players in your factions. Why not put them against the other faction that has the same amount and maybe even destabilize from the lead or dethrone an EMP? Just curious. Maybe one of these EP or AD players can enlighten me. I doubt it. Can't wait to hear it.

What that's all about; is DC pissed EP off. EP was pushing AD earlier in the Camp and still wants to push AD. but what do you think DC does?.... they push chal. they don't try and push the horde of AD and take back their home keeps (Ash) they push chal and BRK.

that is why EP pushes DC. Because DC will not leave our keeps alone and let us push AD.

We should all take a step back and smile at the fact that every single one of us thinks the same about the other alliances xD

There are definitely times when the chal corridor is empty and all of blue pushes down on roe/brindle and all of red pushes down on drake/alessia. It happens to all of the other alliances at times, and we all get angry about it. I think yellow will win this campaign, but even if we don't, it's been the closest and one of the most competitive campaigns I can remember. It's also been one of the most stressful (at least for me) because we actually cared about winning, so much so that there were times I reached my boiling point after losing a keep to obscene stacking, the moronic bombard/negate meta, or endless spam of forward camps. With CU on the near-horizon, I'm glad we were all able to pull off a competitive campaign for every alliance at least one more time. I can't wait to see the 'peace-out' threads when CU comes though

Lucky28 · June 2016

@Zheg not really man. we had DC pushing Chalman while AD had DC pushed to their gates and where currently taking their scrolls..... that, right there is something real special.