Shuffle and its relation to DoTs...

Toc de Malsvi · June 2016

One of the primary issues with Shuffle that I see is its interaction with DoT mechanics. When a DoT is applied to a target that damage should be unavoidable, certainly something you could heal through or apply and absorb to, but not dodgeable. Currently Shuffle allows you to dodge the actual DoT ticks themselves and this makes Shuffle/dodgeroll spammers all that much more harder to kill. It appears to have a higher chance of dodging as well as I have noticed I usually dodge several DoT ticks in a row not just one, here is a video to illustrate, I was hit with Venomous Claw right before killing a guy then I dodge 3 DoT ticks successively as I run back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NIdlUySVH8

Toc de Malsvi · June 2016

You could say that the last one was because of dodge rolling but it simply just does not make sense to dodge a damage over time effect that is already been applied to you. This makes those effects that much more ineffective as you have the initial dodge chance just to apply the effect then successive dodge chances each time they tick.

Dracane · June 2016

Really ? I didn't know that, this is ridiculous.
Even worse then, because during the dodge animation, all incoming attacks and ticks will miss as well.

But it's no secret that shuffle needs some minor nerfing.

Cronopoly · June 2016

What!?!?! This would explain alot of why my Sorc Flame Destro staff dot and passives aren't doing anything most times against dodge rollers even when I initially hit them. And the flame staff is all I've got to passively try to plink away before the Gap Closer, WB, Dawnbreaker death I deserve.

I had always assumed my Dots and Status effects were cleansed. If this is true... >.<

Waffennacht · June 2016

Thank you, I'm gonna guess most people didn't know this (I too thought undodgeable)

Vaoh · June 2016

DoTs are DODGEABLE!

Wow..... that needs to be changed.

Perhaps this is why Evasion is seen as such an OP skill. It is negating much of the damage of DoTs.

No purge for DoTs? Use Shuffle.

Need to dodge upwards of 20% of everything coming at you? Use shuffle.

You've been snared and/or immobilized? Use Shuffle.

Did I mention it lasts 20 seconds too?

Evasion needs to be tweaked. If not Evasion, then the Major Evasion buff needs changing or (imo) removal.

Vaoh · June 2016

Also, can someone explain why certain skills seem to have extreme difficulty landing on a target with Evasion active?

Crystal Frags, Dark Flare, Sun Fire, etc.

Also, Evasion makes Flurry much weaker from dodging so many individual hits.

Cody · June 2016

This could explain why my DoTs do squat against dodge rollers....

Curse you ZOS. You people need to stop drinking all that Skooma, it's clearly getting to all of you.

Toc de Malsvi · June 2016

Doncellius wrote: »

Also, can someone explain why certain skills seem to have extreme difficulty landing on a target with Evasion active?

Crystal Frags, Dark Flare, Sun Fire, etc.

Also, Evasion makes Flurry much weaker from dodging so many individual hits.

Anything that has a longer flight time will have a hard time hitting, I believe its related to lag and dodge windows. It is the same reason why these same skills sometimes lag and pile up to kill people before they realize they are getting hit. To hit a dodge roller you need to fire the skill at the right time during the actual roll so that it procc's on target when they are not rolling, if you wait till they stop rolling you wont land anything, if you shoot during the roll there is a chance you catch them between dodge windows. At least that is my understanding of it.

Toc de Malsvi · June 2016

Yall all want to comment but give no Insightful's, Agree, or Awesomes? Tough crowd...

Bc0z1g0th1gh · June 2016

Play a dot build and feel the pain even more :-)

Anti_Virus · June 2016

@Toc de Malsvi

What's your build bruh? Its seems interesting that you're using a bow as a primary weapon.

If you would reveal it to me would it work on a NB?

devilsTear · June 2016

Even other people heals can miss when you have shuffle applied.

Dracane · June 2016

Oh so this explains why I received a dawnbreaker, which brought me to 4k health. I roll dodged after that and I received to damage during that. The dot would have obviously killed me.

So it's true, shuffle AND dodge ignore dots

dodgehopper_ESO · June 2016

Is Blur doing this as well?

lolo_01b16_ESO · June 2016

Have you checked other dots aswell? Or is it just stamina based dots?

Toc de Malsvi · June 2016

I have not checked other DoT's, I thought it was working this way but wasn't overly stressed about recording it, I just happened to notice it when I was editing down the video. It was something I had thought about before but didn't bother to take the time to make a video just because it wasn't that important to me. However since I happened to catch it on video I figured it would be good to bring light to it, there have been other comments on these forums that has led me to believe that not everyone realized that DoT effects are still dodgeable even after they are on the target.