Snipe, Snipe, Snipe, Snipe, Snipe

MerkzM8 · June 2016

It is really easy to counter and isn't actually that good. You hear the snipe going off before even getting hit. Any good player knows to dodge the minute they hear that noise.

Cryptical · June 2016

Snipe does get bounced back at the bow user by the flappy wings.

Tyrannitar · June 2016

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

And no, I'm not whining, QQ-ing or complaining. I'm just trying to start a dicussion regarding SNIPE.

To be honest, from what I have read I doubt it.

If I would be whining, QQing or otherwise complaining about something, you would know I'm a woman - there is nothing I do better. But pl0x, stay on topic and discuss Snipe, and not my choice of words, kthx.

>I'm a woman- there is nothing I do better.

Kek, putting ur own gender to cover ur own disdain 4 a skill in an mmo

Snipe's fine. You're complaining about bandwidth issues, and for those I can only suggest to hop on the "fix-the-lag-in-cyro" train.

Toc de Malsvi · June 2016

I'm all for functionally changing Snipe to have a shorter flight time and slightly less damage. This would make it a more competitive ability for bow users. Some of the inherent issues are caused because of lag combined with the long flight time, but bow users can tell you that is the same reason they cant kill people or be competitive more than half the time. If it doesn't lag you dodge roll them all and they just wasted their time.

If 3 players are coordinated enough to spam snipe on you, you are dead unless you have wings, shield, or enough stamina to dodge roll/block your way to a LOS point. This is no different than if 3 NB's were to sequentially SA you, or 3 players surrounded you and started to Dizzying Swing you to death.

Bow builds currently have the functionality problem:

Poison Injection is a great DOT but does not hit hard enough up front to be a good filler. You apply it and that's great but you need it to tick to get its best bonus' so there's no reason in reapplying before ticks.

Arrow Volley does not do direct damage and your targets have to stand inside of damage circle.

Bombard has excellent root capabilities but is not cheap has only a 20m range, does not fire based on your target reticle but where your character is facing, does not do enough direct damage to single targets.

Scatter Shot has horrible range(10m) and does not do enough direct damage to be a primary filler.

Snipe does more than enough damage but has a 1s interruptable cast time that snares you while casting. Has almost a 3s flight time and telegraphs its attack with audio sound.

Also all attacks are counted as projectiles so they become useless versus a Magicka DK or S&B build. While being greatly diminished against Shuffle/dodgeroll spammers and stamina DK's, long flight time on all skills means with any higher latency you will not be able to hit a Shuffle/dodgeroll spammer.

I and many other bow users would love for that to be changed, I would like a more responsive flight time on both snipe and my heavy attacks. Most people animation cancel but what most don't realize is that a fully charged heavy attack from the bow travels so much slower that if you animation cancel it with Poison Injection/Silver Shards or many other skills against someone riding on a horse, often they get hit by the skill but then dismount and dodgeroll/reflect the heavy attack.

Birdovic · June 2016

Also all attacks are counted as projectiles so they become useless versus a Magicka DK or S&B build

S&B only reflects Magical Projectiles

susmitds · June 2016

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

Also all attacks are counted as projectiles so they become useless versus a Magicka DK or S&B build

S&B only reflects Magical Projectiles

DK Reflect everything

Natas013 · June 2016

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

Also all attacks are counted as projectiles so they become useless versus a Magicka DK or S&B build

S&B only reflects Magical Projectiles

That should be changed with One Tamriel. The first step has been taken, everyone has sorc shields. Vamp needs more skills too so let's add a 2.5 second cloak there (it makes sense). Now to figure out where to put rushed ceremony…

Screw diversity… it's One Tamriel.

Toc de Malsvi · June 2016

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

Also all attacks are counted as projectiles so they become useless versus a Magicka DK or S&B build

S&B only reflects Magical Projectiles

Could of swore I've gone against some S&B builds that were healing off my Lethal Arrows, had to stop shooting them. It was a templar I guess they were using Total Dark and I just didn't notice. I saw the Absorb Magic go up and just assumed.

MuddledMuppet · June 2016

Yet another person who sees anyone else discussing their issues as qq and whining, not here tho, oh no, just constructive discussion.

Try this next time you want 'constructive discussion': not insulting people who hold different opinions as whiners and qq'ers.

Xsorus · June 2016

Well since you're a templar; Explain how Snipe is any different from Dark Flare.

Right now you can basically pull the same thing as a Magicka Templar; Darkflare/Spear/Radiant...dead target..

Cody · June 2016

It is not Snipe's fault if the game latency has issues(which I agree it does).

But enough about that, lets talk about the ability itself. I think it should remain the way it is. Why? Well to answer this question lets start by going back to the times of old, aka launch.

What a lot of people do not know or just ignore, is that at one point, Snipe was a horrible ability. OK maybe not HORRIBLE but it was by no means great. It had a 3 second cast time and a MINIMUM DISTANCE REQUIREMENT, meaning if an enemy got too close, one could not even use snipe; there were no point blank snipes back then, it truly was a "snipe" ability, a hard to use one at that.

then it was given a 2 second cast time, and was still hard to use effectively. The only time back then it saw superb use was when it bugged out, and lethal shot (or whatever the poison morph name is, I honestly forget) stacked, and could 100% eliminate healing. It was eventually fixed of course. the ability could also be interrupted; using it against the common venom arrow and crushing shock user was almost pointless; by the time you CC broke they damaged you beyond the point of you catching up, forcing you to flee.

Then it eventually had a 1 second cast time, no longer so easily interruptable(if it still can be interrupted at all) and was beginning to be easier and more effective to use in battle. It no longer had a minimum distance requirement either. One could use it to their hearts content, basically what it is now. (continued)

Cody · June 2016

The point? The ability at one point, sucked; and now it is a decent ability, and I would like for it to remain so. I am however, aware of how ridiculous damage can get. My snipes can get close to 10K if I enable certain buffs. But this is not snipe's fault. This is the fault of the inner game mechanics.

Lack of softcaps being one major reason. Without softcaps people can get damage and sustain to however high their imagination(and gear) allow. Snipe "does too high damage for too low a cost" because players are able to reach gigantic weapon damage values. Do I agree with how much damage snipe can do? No. If CC break did not exist I would be 3 shotting people; the damage is much too high; but instead of making snipe worthless again, I think we should try a more general approach, and said approach starts with the return of softcaps, as well as other ideas I am sure I have yet to see or come up with; not nerfing X ability or class. /end rant

Anti_Virus · June 2016

DannyLV702 wrote: »

I love my maelstrom bow, but you will NEVER catch me using that cheap, disgusting ability

Hence why the bow should be removed from the game since snipe is the only direct dps ability.

When archers want to use a bow ppl QQ about it being a one shot gank weapon but zos made it like that and if anyone suggests changes to that people lose their minds.

Anti_Virus · June 2016

@Lieblingsjunge

I don't know why you're getting killed by snipe but let me point this out.

1.) You can hear snipe before it hits (which is scientificly impossible since light travels faster than sound but whatever ) so use that to block/shield stack/LOS/Heal etc.

2.) It has a long travel time 3 secs before it hits. Thats a lot of time to act in fact although you're a magic build if you dodge one time all snipes will miss you literally.

3.) Single out ths archers we're weak Zos designed the bow to be a gank/support weapon alsong as you gap close spam archers can't do jack sh*t and aren't a threat.

Be glad that snipe is dodgeable and doesn't have a 300% dmg boost against low hp targets.

Anti_Virus · June 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Snipe either needs its range toning down or it's damage.

Having a skill literally out range everything and have dmg similar to wb isn't the best.

If it going to deal high dmg i need to be in a range people can counter it.

Longer range = less dmg.

Thats my view anyway.

Lol if you're getting killed by snipe it's a L2P issue.

-Gap close spam the sniper.

-Dodge all of the slow projectiles(or block), I mean you can hear it and see it comming

-LOS them

-Dizzing swing/jabs/SA spam until they die easy.

Anti_Virus · June 2016

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

There is an entire thread devoted to changing the bow and I think you'd be surprised how many bow users want snipe to be functionally changed.

This.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/257642/redesign-the-bow-skill-line/p1?new=1

Thread addresses snipe and a good potential change for both archers and non archers.

Vangy · June 2016

Snipe is OP but J-beam is totally fine???? ***...

Snipe can be --> reflected, blocked, dodge rolled, LOS-ed..... Plus the sound it makes is soooo audible you'd have to be deaf not to hear it.... (also assuming sound isnt bugged for you at that time

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Lord-Otto · June 2016

No. Latency.
I have NEVER been killed in that "from 100 to 0 resources" manner by frags, radiant, SA or WB. It is ALWAYS Snipe. The skill itself is causing technical problems, you might consider it a bug, even. Everyone who uses a bow knows, and you bet ZOS are aware. But, it made bows viable, so it saved them the troubles of carefully looking into the skill line, that's why a fix never came.
With new Poison Injection and Bombard, Snipe really needs to be looked into. But... Holy cow, the list of things to be looked into is long. It starts with "Lag" and "Zergs", though...

Brrrofski · June 2016

People standing at the back of groups spamming one of the following have the strangest idea of fun:

Snipe
Radiant Destruction
Overload
Bombard

Seriously, nobody likes you. Not even your own faction.

Birdovic · June 2016

@susmitds

I know, it wont change that I talked about Defensive Stance tho.

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

Also all attacks are counted as projectiles so they become useless versus a Magicka DK or S&B build

S&B only reflects Magical Projectiles

Could of swore I've gone against some S&B builds that were healing off my Lethal Arrows, had to stop shooting them. It was a templar I guess they were using Total Dark and I just didn't notice. I saw the Absorb Magic go up and just assumed.

Guess you were attacked by something else then, it only procs on Magic Projectiles.
I really hope they finally make that skill useful, it has lots of potential.

A nice way to make it useful is by deactivating any CC from Magic Projectiles you absorb.
Lets say you got Absorb Magic (S&B) active, and get hit by a Chrystal Frag. Now you absorb the Damage and DONT get knocked down by it(currently you absorb the Frag and still get knocked down, which is strange).

I think this is a nice solution, one Morph reflects, the other one heals, both prevent knockdowns.

CasNation · June 2016

I think things would get way better if they would reduce the projectiles travel time significantly. This would theoretically help with the latency issue AND make it a better ability for bow dps in pve.

Moglijuana · June 2016

I'm not going to say Snipe is a "fair" ability, but I recently set up a Marksman/Hawkeye build and...LMAO. Hate Mail is extremely common now. I blame ZOS for making a boring meta but I thank them for letting me be a troll when I want

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p.s. Yea Snipe is cheap, but if I get caught out in the open I'm screwed so win/win in my eyes.

Lieblingsjunge · June 2016

Moglijuana wrote: »

I'm not going to say Snipe is a "fair" ability, but I recently set up a Marksman/Hawkeye build and...LMAO. Hate Mail is extremely common now. I blame ZOS for making a boring meta but I thank them for letting me be a troll when I want .

p.s. Yea Snipe is cheap, but if I get caught out in the open I'm screwed so win/win in my eyes.

Haha, yeah. Did you see Archer's Mind-set from PvE?

It's gonna be even worse, lol. I don't mind that,my main problemis that 1) I can't hear it cus of sound-bugs 2) Latency makes it hit at the same time, 3 shots.

DHale · June 2016

I have held off a full raid with just a couple other snipers until help arrived. Can't siege a keep if you keep getting two shotted. Great skill.

Moglijuana · June 2016

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

I'm not going to say Snipe is a "fair" ability, but I recently set up a Marksman/Hawkeye build and...LMAO. Hate Mail is extremely common now. I blame ZOS for making a boring meta but I thank them for letting me be a troll when I want .

p.s. Yea Snipe is cheap, but if I get caught out in the open I'm screwed so win/win in my eyes.

Haha, yeah. Did you see Archer's Mind-set from PvE? It's gonna be even worse, lol. I don't mind that,my main problemis that 1) I can't hear it cus of sound-bugs 2) Latency makes it hit at the same time, 3 shots.

LOL omg, when DSA gets updated I'm definitely trying that out.

1) Yea sound bugs are ZOS's fault
2) Same^^

If everything in the game worked how it should, then latency kills wouldn't be an issue. I see this as a ZOS issue and not an ability issue at all.

Cody · June 2016

Brrrofski wrote: »

People standing at the back of groups spamming one of the following have the strangest idea of fun:

Snipe
Radiant Destruction
Overload
Bombard

Seriously, nobody likes you. Not even your own faction.

i don't care if no body likes me, or even if my own faction does not like me.

Lieblingsjunge · June 2016

Moglijuana wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

I'm not going to say Snipe is a "fair" ability, but I recently set up a Marksman/Hawkeye build and...LMAO. Hate Mail is extremely common now. I blame ZOS for making a boring meta but I thank them for letting me be a troll when I want .

p.s. Yea Snipe is cheap, but if I get caught out in the open I'm screwed so win/win in my eyes.

Haha, yeah. Did you see Archer's Mind-set from PvE? It's gonna be even worse, lol. I don't mind that,my main problemis that 1) I can't hear it cus of sound-bugs 2) Latency makes it hit at the same time, 3 shots.

LOL omg, when DSA gets updated I'm definitely trying that out.

1) Yea sound bugs are ZOS's fault
2) Same^^

If everything in the game worked how it should, then latency kills wouldn't be an issue. I see this as a ZOS issue and not an ability issue at all.

Yeah, probably xD but following Zenimax' logic on "We don't fix things, we change it!"-logic, and they won't fix the latency issues, they'rebetter off changing the skill

magictucktuck · June 2016

Some people in my guild complain about it but I've never had a problem dodge rolling healing out of it.. I don't think it should change. I use bow but just heavy attack poison injection. I don't like using snipe cuz it seams to easy to dodge especially with how many Stam users are on Xbox

the_man_of_steal · June 2016

Snipe is a funny little skill. It can be merciless on your enemies at times, it can also severely mess up your rotation if you're new to using it. It also serves players very well who watch on the outskirts and snipe targets busy fighting other players. I can certainly see why many people and the OP feel it is very strong... because it can be very very strong! That having been said, a player can block it, roll dodge it, and for the most part hear it coming. The lag certainly nullifies the potential counters you might take to avoid being sniped and that is something ZOS desperately needs to work on before any more balancing takes place. On consoles, the lag is still unbearable even in PVE zones now.

You can make a very effective build using snipe and poison injection as your only two damage skills and buff them so much the damage almost instantly kills some players. Some people might feel this is unfair, some people might play around with it and think its the most amazing build ever.. That is up to the masses.

I would suggest to the OP wearing a few pieces of Impen armor to minimize the absolutely viscous crit that snipe can have. Also, perhaps try making one of your bars sword and shield. If you're mag based, always keep your harness magika shield up, if you're stam, always keep shuffle up - and I do mean always. Any poison resistance would help too, if possible. These things will help prevent you from getting one-shotted most of the time and I believe are good suggestions for any build in general. No matter what you do, you will encounter one or two instances where you read your combat summary and see a huge snipe attack that finished you off.

It's annoying, but fun to play on a stam based character.

yodased · June 2016

Brrrofski wrote: »

People standing at the back of groups spamming one of the following have the strangest idea of fun:

Snipe
Radiant Destruction
Overload
Bombard

Seriously, nobody likes you. Not even your own faction.

I like them, I actually will be the guy sitting with them spamming meatbag on you and laughing all the way to the AP bank.

Don't like it? Come kill me