For Magicka classes, make dodge roll magicka based.

Destyran · June 2016

No wayyyy

Emma_Overload · June 2016

Kalifas wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

GivvumBoane wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Magicka being used for a physical task makes no sense. Magicka would instead be used for short-range teleportation as a means of dodging.

That could be cool, but everyone would complain about that as well. There would be countless threads complain about teleports and not being able to track their targets, blah,blah.

The teleports would be the same distance you could dodge roll, and the time it takes to teleport and reappear would basically be as long as how long you roll. In other words Dodge Rolling with Magicka with a different animation.

Mutli-directional Bolt Escape with the same cost as dodge roll except it cost magicka and is for mage builds. Problem solved.

Bolt Escape doesn't actually "dodge" any attacks, though. This needs to be addressed first.

WillhelmBlack · June 2016

U WOT M8

bimbo · June 2016

If they are going to do that,

they need to make all melee attack ranged, like magicka skills.

lmao.

icontrive · June 2016

Here is the way I look at it.
If you take away magic for a Stam build, the player still has the ability to dodge, heal, break cc, do damage, and have mobility. When taking away magic, all they are losing are some defence and some buffs. On the other hand if you take away Stam for a magicka build, all it takes is one cc and you are bursted down. Magic builds shouldn't have to take away from recovery or damage just to be able to have enough stamina to break cc more than two times, while Stamina builds can go full out into stam without losing damage.

JinMori · June 2016

this would give a way too big advantage for magicka build, also it doesn't make any sense.

Clerics1985 · June 2016

easy peasy, just make Stamina Toons use Magicka roll dodge and Magicka toons use Stamina Roll dodge

timidobserver · June 2016

Not be default, but I could go for a pelinals aptitude like set that does this.

tist · June 2016

No. Stam doesn't need another way of people avoiding our 2 hit kill combos.

Kalifas · June 2016

Robbmrp wrote: »

This alone wouldn't balance out things between Stamina and Magicka builds. That's going to be a really hard fix for Zenimax to work out and I don't envy them at all.

As long as one side has a separate(magicka uses stamina for cc break,dodge and block) pool to use for these things and the other has the ability to stack massive weapon damage, classes will not be balanced.

I really don't see how they can do it without creating a new resource pool for CC Break, dodge roll, block, light and heavy attacks.

The downside to making a separate resource bar for those is it will segregate resources. This will turn the game into a game of dodge roll <inserttheothers> bunny hopping game.

If I was going to separate them I would call that resource athletics.

I still think tying athletics to both stamina or magicka prevents athletics from becoming the main playstyle. There is a larger risk/reward when you have to maintain your output in conjunction with using timely athletics.

When a classes build output relies on one attribute yet requires a different attribute for athletics while the competing class build output relies on one attribute yet doesn't require a different attribute for athletics, that is what is called imbalance.

It might not make sense in a realistic sense. But I think balance is more important than realism in this case because this is a multiplayer games that asks people to group up.

Brutusmax1mus · June 2016

Makes no sense at all.
You have shields.
You can still dodge roll or block.
You have other defensive mechanics.
Makes no sense at all.
Every class and race shouldn't be identical.
There should be weaknesses and strengths to everything.
Make a better build with more defensive skills that don't leave you so squishy so you die in 3 seconds.
Makes no sense at all.

So you want to have dodge roll and a separate differently funded dodge?

PlagueMonk · June 2016

This is a ******** request. Pray Zenimax doesnt give it to you.

I'm stamina based and do you know how much it SUCKS to have ALL of your abilities tied to a single stat? Nothing sucks more than to deplete your Stamina DPSing and then need to block or dodge roll......click click click....DAMMIT ><

Playing my magicka Temp however its GREAT to have a stamina pool just waiting for me to either dodge roll, block, run a bit, etc......it's there JUST for that purpose.

So I would suggest a couple things:

- Take some of out of your precious magicka stat and INVEST in some stamina. So your DPS suffers a little, at least you can roll dodge then.
- pop a stamina pot if you are low.

It's not Zenimax's fault you are unwilling to sacrifice a bit of your glass canon to be more survivable.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · June 2016

So you want to Shield up, AoE bomb and roll forever? Cause I have two Mage's that never let up the atrack and stay above 40% magicka. Magic rolling would be OP you already have the best defensive powers in game. Shields plus all class have great magic heals and on top of that you can block without killing your core recovery.

Give me a stamina Shielf then we can talk.

UltimaJoe777 · June 2016

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

So you want to Shield up, AoE bomb and roll forever? Cause I have two Mage's that never let up the atrack and stay above 40% magicka. Magic rolling would be OP you already have the best defensive powers in game. Shields plus all class have great magic heals and on top of that you can block without killing your core recovery.

Give me a stamina Shielf then we can talk.

Actually Magicka rolling would impede the sustainability of such a build as you mentioned if used too often. Bolt Escape and Dodge Roll both increase in cost each time you use it in succession. No one can dodge forever as a result. The teleportation concept I've thrown around here is no exception.

Bonzodog01 · June 2016

Why has no-one here mentioned the roll-dodge reduction (tumbling) in the CP tree?

I have a Mag temp, but I went 3 into stam, 10 into health, and remaining into mag, and she does more than enough damage with max mag on all armour, arcane jewellry, and a seducers/transmutation/torugs pact setup. I have also specced 30 points into the roll dodge cost reduction in the CP tree, and she can roll dodge a good 5 or 6 times before running out of stamina. Plus I dropped some CP into Stam regen as well as mag regen.

And on top of this, if you really felt badly enough about it, you could always put the new "well-fitted" on a couple of pieces of armour.

thankyourat · June 2016

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

So you want to Shield up, AoE bomb and roll forever? Cause I have two Mage's that never let up the atrack and stay above 40% magicka. Magic rolling would be OP you already have the best defensive powers in game. Shields plus all class have great magic heals and on top of that you can block without killing your core recovery.

Give me a stamina Shielf then we can talk.

The thing is stamina can do all of that now except shield up, but dodge roll is way better than shields cause it avoids all damage and can be used to get line of sight all at the same time. I don't think dodge roll should cost magicka, but I do think they should make magicka characters better at burst damage than stamina characters. Because as it is right now stamina has better survivability and burst damage. That's not really balanced

UltimaJoe777 · June 2016

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

Why has no-one here mentioned the roll-dodge reduction (tumbling) in the CP tree?

I have a Mag temp, but I went 3 into stam, 10 into health, and remaining into mag, and she does more than enough damage with max mag on all armour, arcane jewellry, and a seducers/transmutation/torugs pact setup. I have also specced 30 points into the roll dodge cost reduction in the CP tree, and she can roll dodge a good 5 or 6 times before running out of stamina. Plus I dropped some CP into Stam regen as well as mag regen.

And on top of this, if you really felt badly enough about it, you could always put the new "well-fitted" on a couple of pieces of armour.

Even with all the cost reduction you can muster consecutive dodge rolling will skyrocket the cost of dodge rolling if done too rapidly in succession. Eventually no matter your build you will run out of Stamina dodge rolling too much.

tennant94 · June 2016

dem0n1k wrote: »

There is a magicka dodge ... It's called "Streak"

You and the 5 people who agreed with you are absolute r3tards.

Makkir · June 2016

Why not just make Vigor and Rally cost magicka instead of stamina.

Seems legit.

Makkir · June 2016

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Makes no sense at all.
You have shields.
You can still dodge roll or block.
You have other defensive mechanics.
Makes no sense at all.
Every class and race shouldn't be identical.
There should be weaknesses and strengths to everything.
Make a better build with more defensive skills that don't leave you so squishy so you die in 3 seconds.
Makes no sense at all.

So you want to have dodge roll and a separate differently funded dodge?

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DUTCH_REAPER · June 2016

No. Manage resources better. Enchant more Stam on gear or get your regen up. It s what my mag classes have to do and it works fine. Either that or play a Stam build?

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · June 2016

thankyourat wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

So you want to Shield up, AoE bomb and roll forever? Cause I have two Mage's that never let up the atrack and stay above 40% magicka. Magic rolling would be OP you already have the best defensive powers in game. Shields plus all class have great magic heals and on top of that you can block without killing your core recovery.

Give me a stamina Shielf then we can talk.

The thing is stamina can do all of that now except shield up, but dodge roll is way better than shields cause it avoids all damage and can be used to get line of sight all at the same time. I don't think dodge roll should cost magicka, but I do think they should make magicka characters better at burst damage than stamina characters. Because as it is right now stamina has better survivability and burst damage. That's not really balanced

Roller only kill very weak players rolling has a .5 second gobal cool down a tracking then is a waste of resources cause it will miss and the have .5 before they can do anything.

Roller always roll twice just wait for two rolls then CC them. Shields are far better then rolling you can roll most damage but many powers and all channels will still have a lock on you. Shield drops all crit chance to 0%. Counter all types of damage and attacks while killing the core of many stamina builds which is crit.