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What is "absorbed" damage?
ZoM_Head
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A lot of players in pvp take "absorbed" damage according to LUI and FTC.
Now, i know shields absorb damage, but these players didnt have any shields up at all.
Their health bars were complete red (you know you get that transparent second cover on health bars like sorcs have ward up or healing ward etc) which indicates a shield.
80% or more of all the damage my character puts out is dealing 500 dmg per hit or so, straight into "absorbed damage".
This one player had shuffle on (not a shield) and was standing on a ballista (so not blocking or anything, not even getting healed) red health bar and when i started to dps, everything was being absorbed for the first 3-5 seconds or more.
So, there is no shield up and not blocking yet damage is being "absorbed", can someone shed some light into this for me? a lot of times this is happening against enemy players NOT using shields or blocking.
Edited by ZoM_Head on June 23, 2016 3:35PM Now, i know shields absorb damage, but these players didnt have any shields up at all.
Their health bars were complete red (you know you get that transparent second cover on health bars like sorcs have ward up or healing ward etc) which indicates a shield.
80% or more of all the damage my character puts out is dealing 500 dmg per hit or so, straight into "absorbed damage".
This one player had shuffle on (not a shield) and was standing on a ballista (so not blocking or anything, not even getting healed) red health bar and when i started to dps, everything was being absorbed for the first 3-5 seconds or more.
So, there is no shield up and not blocking yet damage is being "absorbed", can someone shed some light into this for me? a lot of times this is happening against enemy players NOT using shields or blocking.
mDKs still need a lot of love!
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ZoM_Head✭✭✭✭A lot of players in pvp take "absorbed" damage according to LUI and FTC.
Now, i know shields absorb damage, but these players didnt have any shields up at all.
Their health bars were complete red (you know you get that transparent second cover on health bars like sorcs have ward up or healing ward etc) which indicates a shield.
80% or more of all the damage my character puts out is dealing 500 dmg per hit or so, straight into "absorbed damage".
This one player had shuffle on (not a shield) and was standing on a ballista (so not blocking or anything, not even getting healed) red health bar and when i started to dps, everything was being absorbed for the first 3-5 seconds or more.
So, there is no shield up and not blocking yet damage is being "absorbed", can someone shed some light into this for me? a lot of times this is happening against enemy players NOT using shields or blocking.
Forgot to add, even the ingame meter (the one that shows you the dps/hits on target) is being white and in brackets, meaning hitting a shield, yet no shield is present.mDKs still need a lot of love!0 -
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✭✭✭✭I was about to hop into a new player thread, say 'shields' and be done, but there seems to be more to what you describe. Do you have any vids? I don't have a good explanation and have yet to see that behavior myself.2 -
ZoM_Head✭✭✭✭I was about to hop into a new player thread, say 'shields' and be done, but there seems to be more to what you describe. Do you have any vids? I don't have a good explanation and have yet to see that behavior myself.
Off course, i will take some videos and post it.
A lot of my pvp friends are saying that it is probably some sort of exploit, but im not jumping to conclusions.mDKs still need a lot of love!1 -
Nestor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Typically in this game, or at least TES games in the past, Absorb meant taking Health (or whatever) from an enemy and giving it to your self. Their Health goes down by 1000, your health goes up by 1000, or close to that, as an example.
Unless you have an Absorb Health Enchantment on your weapon, I am not sure if any set pieces do this kind of attack.
So, was your Health going up at all while this was going on?
Another explanation could be that an ally of theirs cast a shield on them, you might not see that. I think there are some Champ Passives that at least help the shields.Edited by Nestor on June 23, 2016 4:16PMEnjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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caeliusstarbreaker✭✭✭✭✭
✭Are you attacking with magicka projectiles?
Were they running sb?
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ZoM_Head✭✭✭✭Don't the brackets mean Blocked?
That as well yes, but like i said, that player was standing still on a siege weapon.Typically in this game, or at least TES games in the past, Absorb meant taking Health (or whatever) from an enemy and giving it to your self. Their Health goes down by 1000, your health goes up by 1000, or close to that, as an example.
Unless you have an Absorb Health Enchantment on your weapon, I am not sure if any set pieces do this kind of attack.
So, was your Health going up at all while this was going on?
Another explanation could be that an ally of theirs cast a shield on them, you might not see that. I think there are some Champ Passives that at least help the shields.
Absolutely no shields were on them what so ever as well i have flame and disease on my main bar (dual wield) and disease on my back bar.caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »Are you attacking with magicka projectiles?
Were they running sb?
No i was using puncture sweep and they were on their 2H (big 2H sword was visible on his back).mDKs still need a lot of love!0 -
ZoM_Head✭✭✭✭Yeah its definitely an exploit of some sorts.
Tested this numerous times with friends in all factions.
They absorb damage, as if they have a damage shield up, but in fact they do not have a shield up at all, nor are they blocking as well.
This is happening a lot on DC EU Trueflame.mDKs still need a lot of love!1 -
Cody✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I have never noticed this; then again I don't pay much attention to my respective add-on.
It would not surprise me though, PvP in this game has some issues. Do you have videos or screenshots? Maybe I can tell what it is by that.0 -
RinaldoGandolphi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The Absorb Magic Skill from Sword and Board behaves like this with magic projectiles.
It will absorb the spell and heal whomever has it up...most folks run Defensive Posture in PVP, but there are a few who use the other...Absorb Magic can also absorb Meteors who its one of the few counters left that many don't know about. It Aborbs based on a value and that value can be upped by putting points into Bastion unless they ahve changed it since TG PTS.Rinaldo Gandolphi-Breton Sorcerer Daggerfall Covenant
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RinaldoGandolphi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yup its gotta be Absorb Magic Morph of Defensive Stance unless your hitting them with Physical projectiles.Rinaldo Gandolphi-Breton Sorcerer Daggerfall Covenant
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✭✭✭✭RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »The Absorb Magic Skill from Sword and Board behaves like this with magic projectiles.
It will absorb the spell and heal whomever has it up...most folks run Defensive Posture in PVP, but there are a few who use the other...Absorb Magic can also absorb Meteors who its one of the few counters left that many don't know about. It Aborbs based on a value and that value can be upped by putting points into Bastion unless they ahve changed it since TG PTS.
Reminds me... I'm recently working up the Absorb magika shield thing from light armor passives.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
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ZoM_Head✭✭✭✭RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »The Absorb Magic Skill from Sword and Board behaves like this with magic projectiles.
It will absorb the spell and heal whomever has it up...most folks run Defensive Posture in PVP, but there are a few who use the other...Absorb Magic can also absorb Meteors who its one of the few counters left that many don't know about. It Aborbs based on a value and that value can be upped by putting points into Bastion unless they ahve changed it since TG PTS.
Yes, i am aware of that, but no projectiles were being used at all, LUIS showed that player has no buffs up even, remember he was using the siege weapon.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Yup its gotta be Absorb Magic Morph of Defensive Stance unless your hitting them with Physical projectiles.
As i said, no shields or even buffs were up, it was just the player and his resistance, yet 22K dmg was absorbed by just standing there at the balista.Edited by ZoM_Head on June 24, 2016 3:23AMmDKs still need a lot of love!0 -
ZoM_Head✭✭✭✭RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »The Absorb Magic Skill from Sword and Board behaves like this with magic projectiles.
It will absorb the spell and heal whomever has it up...most folks run Defensive Posture in PVP, but there are a few who use the other...Absorb Magic can also absorb Meteors who its one of the few counters left that many don't know about. It Aborbs based on a value and that value can be upped by putting points into Bastion unless they ahve changed it since TG PTS.
Yes, i am aware of that, but no projectiles were being used at all, LUIS showed that player has no buffs up even, remember he was using the siege weapon, not even rally was up.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Yup its gotta be Absorb Magic Morph of Defensive Stance unless your hitting them with Physical projectiles.
As i said, no shields or even buffs were up, it was just the player and his resistance, yet 22K dmg was absorbed by just standing there at the balista.
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Van_0S✭✭✭✭✭RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »The Absorb Magic Skill from Sword and Board behaves like this with magic projectiles.
It will absorb the spell and heal whomever has it up...most folks run Defensive Posture in PVP, but there are a few who use the other...Absorb Magic can also absorb Meteors who its one of the few counters left that many don't know about. It Aborbs based on a value and that value can be upped by putting points into Bastion unless they ahve changed it since TG PTS.
Yes, i am aware of that, but no projectiles were being used at all, LUIS showed that player has no buffs up even, remember he was using the siege weapon.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Yup its gotta be Absorb Magic Morph of Defensive Stance unless your hitting them with Physical projectiles.
As i said, no shields or even buffs were up, it was just the player and his resistance, yet 22K dmg was absorbed by just standing there at the balista.
This is bad news for us honest players!
They seem to be cheating/exploiting. This kinda thing happens every time in cyrodiil and ZO$ takes minor to no action at all from these players.
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caeliusstarbreaker✭✭✭✭✭
✭There any chance he was wearing that set where if you don't take damage for 10 sec you get a dmg shield?
I honestly haven't seen anyone run that set and it wouldn't be totally surprising if it didn't show up on an add on.. Also could potentially explain the first 3-5 sec of absorbed dmg.Rhage Lionpride DC Stamina Templar
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ZoM_Head✭✭✭✭caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »There any chance he was wearing that set where if you don't take damage for 10 sec you get a dmg shield?
I honestly haven't seen anyone run that set and it wouldn't be totally surprising if it didn't show up on an add on.. Also could potentially explain the first 3-5 sec of absorbed dmg.
I didnt rule out that set, but again with LUI and FTC it would show if a damage shield was up or not.
Didnt have much problems yesterday against other players, a sorc was there and yes ward was up and yes it was absorbing damage as it should. Other players without shields or blocking were taking damage just fine.
One or two players at around 3:30am CET were absorbing pretty much everything, even 5v1 and novas, ice comets etc were all being "absorbed" despite the player being stunned and flat on their backs without any shields up, even asked guys in my group of their LUI/FTC/Advanced UI showed and shields, they confirmed no shields were up and 20K+ damage was being magically absorbed.
BTW this is happening against well known players on EU Trueflame, in terms of their character names.mDKs still need a lot of love!0 -
ZoM_Head✭✭✭✭RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »The Absorb Magic Skill from Sword and Board behaves like this with magic projectiles.
It will absorb the spell and heal whomever has it up...most folks run Defensive Posture in PVP, but there are a few who use the other...Absorb Magic can also absorb Meteors who its one of the few counters left that many don't know about. It Aborbs based on a value and that value can be upped by putting points into Bastion unless they ahve changed it since TG PTS.
Yes, i am aware of that, but no projectiles were being used at all, LUIS showed that player has no buffs up even, remember he was using the siege weapon.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Yup its gotta be Absorb Magic Morph of Defensive Stance unless your hitting them with Physical projectiles.
As i said, no shields or even buffs were up, it was just the player and his resistance, yet 22K dmg was absorbed by just standing there at the balista.
This is bad news for us honest players!
They seem to be cheating/exploiting. This kinda thing happens every time in cyrodiil and ZO$ takes minor to no action at all from these players.
@ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
I sent Jessica the LUI damage meter in a private email as well about a week ago regarding players taking a flat 646 damage from pretty much all skills while they are being stunned, still got no reply from her yet.mDKs still need a lot of love!0 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »There any chance he was wearing that set where if you don't take damage for 10 sec you get a dmg shield?
I honestly haven't seen anyone run that set and it wouldn't be totally surprising if it didn't show up on an add on.. Also could potentially explain the first 3-5 sec of absorbed dmg.
I didnt rule out that set, but again with LUI and FTC it would show if a damage shield was up or not.
Didnt have much problems yesterday against other players, a sorc was there and yes ward was up and yes it was absorbing damage as it should. Other players without shields or blocking were taking damage just fine.
One or two players at around 3:30am CET were absorbing pretty much everything, even 5v1 and novas, ice comets etc were all being "absorbed" despite the player being stunned and flat on their backs without any shields up, even asked guys in my group of their LUI/FTC/Advanced UI showed and shields, they confirmed no shields were up and 20K+ damage was being magically absorbed.
BTW this is happening against well known players on EU Trueflame, in terms of their character names.
Check that set. Also harness magicka has a very thin animation.
After that, I'm not sure there's anything legal to suggest to test.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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s7732425ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭I've run into this a bunch over the last year of PVPing. There are some enemies that just absorb pretty much every hit of mine and take no damage. I'm starting to think that any dodged attack shows up as absorbed.0 -
ZoM_Head✭✭✭✭caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »There any chance he was wearing that set where if you don't take damage for 10 sec you get a dmg shield?
I honestly haven't seen anyone run that set and it wouldn't be totally surprising if it didn't show up on an add on.. Also could potentially explain the first 3-5 sec of absorbed dmg.
I didnt rule out that set, but again with LUI and FTC it would show if a damage shield was up or not.
Didnt have much problems yesterday against other players, a sorc was there and yes ward was up and yes it was absorbing damage as it should. Other players without shields or blocking were taking damage just fine.
One or two players at around 3:30am CET were absorbing pretty much everything, even 5v1 and novas, ice comets etc were all being "absorbed" despite the player being stunned and flat on their backs without any shields up, even asked guys in my group of their LUI/FTC/Advanced UI showed and shields, they confirmed no shields were up and 20K+ damage was being magically absorbed.
BTW this is happening against well known players on EU Trueflame, in terms of their character names.
Check that set. Also harness magicka has a very thin animation.
After that, I'm not sure there's anything legal to suggest to test.
Yes i am aware of that, that is why UI addons show if any shields are up, but there were none.mDKs still need a lot of love!0 -
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✭✭✭RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Yup its gotta be Absorb Magic Morph of Defensive Stance unless your hitting them with Physical projectiles.
Absorb magic makes them look sort of oily/wet/slick looking. I don't know how else to describe it.US/AD - Dodge Hopper - Vet Imperial Templar | US/AD - Goj-ei-Raj - Vet Argonian Nightblade
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