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For Magicka classes, make dodge roll magicka based.
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Xargomir✭I like the idea of a different animation for each class. As an example magicka sorcerers would have a slower streak like animation that goes the dame distance and lasts just as long as dodge roll. Just give us a switch to press in the character menu to determine which we use.0 -
CromulentForumID✭✭✭✭This sounds like a good idea. Instead of making a character build a series of choices, evaluating costs and benefits, let's do everything we can to encourage players to dump all of their attributes into one stat.0 -
GivvumBoane✭✭✭✭CromulentForumID wrote: »This sounds like a good idea. Instead of making a character build a series of choices, evaluating costs and benefits, let's do everything we can to encourage players to dump all of their attributes into one stat.
People already do that since abilities scale off stamina and/or magicka. Hence they want an evade that uses the pools they spec into.Edited by GivvumBoane on June 24, 2016 12:00AMAll hail the prophet that is Mike Judge, for his Idiocracy prophecy is near fruition.0 -
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✭What in the world is a magicka class? Every class can spec to Magicka or Stam...how do you propose ESO determines when to use the Magicka pool for roll dodging? Based on how many attribute points they assign to Magicka? What about people that put all their points into Health and use food/glyphs/sets to boost their preferred stat?
I don't think it's that "simple".
Magicka class means the highest stat pool the character has is Magicka. A Stamina class means the highest stat pool is stamina for that character. De De Deee."The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."0 -
Kalebron✭✭✭Dodge roll sounds awesome. Cloak is broke, shield is broke, and stamina has always been OP for being slippery. This has to be my favorite post in a long time. Thanks OP.0 -
CromulentForumID✭✭✭✭GivvumBoane wrote: »CromulentForumID wrote: »This sounds like a good idea. Instead of making a character build a series of choices, evaluating costs and benefits, let's do everything we can to encourage players to dump all of their attributes into one stat.
People already do that
I know they do. Players don't need more encouragement to do it, and should at least face some consequences when they do it.1 -
Justice31st✭✭✭✭✭
✭I actually support this. Hear me out!
Black Desert Online (while I hate that cash grab with a passion and hope it burns in 1000 layers of Oblivion), had a cool way of doing this. They made magic-based classes have a teleport dodge instead ofa roll.
Many games actually do this, and it works better for balancing.
So, I would say that IF they gave magicka classes some sort of cool looking teleport-ish animation unique to their class (magicka Sorcerer looks like a mini-streak, magicka NB looks like reddish vapor, etc.), then I would be totally in favor.
Otherwise meh.
^This person gets it. +1Edited by Justice31st on June 24, 2016 12:00AM"The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."0 -
GivvumBoane✭✭✭✭CromulentForumID wrote: »GivvumBoane wrote: »CromulentForumID wrote: »This sounds like a good idea. Instead of making a character build a series of choices, evaluating costs and benefits, let's do everything we can to encourage players to dump all of their attributes into one stat.
People already do that
I know they do. Players don't need more encouragement to do it, and should at least face some consequences when they do it.
I agree.All hail the prophet that is Mike Judge, for his Idiocracy prophecy is near fruition.0 -
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✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Magicka being used for a physical task makes no sense. Magicka would instead be used for short-range teleportation as a means of dodging.
^Sounds like a great idea."The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."0 -
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✭If you have more magic than stamina, the increasing cost nerf just shouldn't apply.Cinn #SorcLivesMatter
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smacx250✭✭✭✭✭I wonder why all the stam players who complained that mag players got to tap different sources for offense (mag - skills) and defense (stam - block, roll, break free) while stam had one source to do both, will now be the ones to "just no" this idea?3 -
MuddledMuppet✭✭✭✭I wonder why all the stam players who complained that mag players got to tap different sources for offense (mag - skills) and defense (stam - block, roll, break free) while stam had one source to do both, will now be the ones to "just no" this idea?
I wonder how you know what 'all' them players are thinking but are unable to see their rationale if you can mind read so well.0 -
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Then tie blocking to magicka as well for magicka based builds. And tie whatever else is dynamic to cost whatever someone is built towards more.MuddledMuppet wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »GivvumBoane wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Magicka being used for a physical task makes no sense. Magicka would instead be used for short-range teleportation as a means of dodging.
That could be cool, but everyone would complain about that as well. There would be countless threads complain about teleports and not being able to track their targets, blah,blah.
The teleports would be the same distance you could dodge roll, and the time it takes to teleport and reappear would basically be as long as how long you roll. In other words Dodge Rolling with Magicka with a different animation.
Mutli-directional Bolt Escape with the same cost as dodge roll except it cost magicka and is for mage builds. Problem solved.
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Because they posted on the forums with long winded descriptions of why it was so unfair? Are you one of those that so posted, but are in favor this option of mag users drawing from one pool? Or are you just trolling?MuddledMuppet wrote: »I wonder why all the stam players who complained that mag players got to tap different sources for offense (mag - skills) and defense (stam - block, roll, break free) while stam had one source to do both, will now be the ones to "just no" this idea?
I wonder how you know what 'all' them players are thinking but are unable to see their rationale if you can mind read so well.
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Lord_Wrath✭✭✭✭✭I love how people compare sorc skills to an actual dodge. Dodging is missing the attack completely. Ward, streak, etc none of those dodge anything.
The easiest way to take a magica build down is CC their stamina away. Without stamina we are sitting ducks wide open. There are ways to work with it but it is no doubt our great disadvantage.1300+ CP | Lørd Wrath | - Sorcerer - Palatine - Grand Master Crafter - 30000 Achievement Points
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Because they posted on the forums with long winded descriptions of why it was so unfair? Are you one of those that so posted, but are in favor this option of mag users drawing from one pool? Or are you just trolling?MuddledMuppet wrote: »I wonder why all the stam players who complained that mag players got to tap different sources for offense (mag - skills) and defense (stam - block, roll, break free) while stam had one source to do both, will now be the ones to "just no" this idea?
I wonder how you know what 'all' them players are thinking but are unable to see their rationale if you can mind read so well.
Neither, I was commenting on an obvious troll comment
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MuddledMuppet✭✭✭✭Lord_Wrath wrote: »I love how people compare sorc skills to an actual dodge. Dodging is missing the attack completely. Ward, streak, etc none of those dodge anything.
The easiest way to take a magica build down is CC their stamina away. Without stamina we are sitting ducks wide open. There are ways to work with it but it is no doubt our great disadvantage.
I agree, hence simply giving magica users a man dodge will require a complete reworking and rebalancing of the game.1 -
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Cynnalia✭✭✭Justice31st wrote: »What in the world is a magicka class? Every class can spec to Magicka or Stam...how do you propose ESO determines when to use the Magicka pool for roll dodging? Based on how many attribute points they assign to Magicka? What about people that put all their points into Health and use food/glyphs/sets to boost their preferred stat?
I don't think it's that "simple".
Magicka class means the highest stat pool the character has is Magicka. A Stamina class means the highest stat pool is stamina for that character. De De Deee.
Right, so what happens if the build is a tank with Health as the highest stat? Do you want your roll dodge cost to draw from their HP pool or just take from their second-highest resource?NA PS4 Daggerfall Covenant Characters -- CP 755
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DaniAngione✭✭✭✭✭The OP request makes no sense at all... You're rolling. Physically rolling, with your body, why in Oblivion would this cost Magicka, not Stamina?
I mean, seriously, my main character is a Stamina Nightblade. Then I want to do all the cool things people do with Magicka using my Stamina! Hah, why can't I, then?
lol...
No, seriously. This must be trolling.4 -
holosoul✭✭✭✭DaniAngione wrote: »The OP request makes no sense at all... You're rolling. Physically rolling, with your body, why in Oblivion would this cost Magicka, not Stamina?
I mean, seriously, my main character is a Stamina Nightblade. Then I want to do all the cool things people do with Magicka using my Stamina! Hah, why can't I, then?
lol...
No, seriously. This must be trolling.
that's the weakest most pathetic argument possible
as if the graphic matters more than the game mechanic
please.
besides what exactly can't you do? damage?
did I miss the part where there's a magicka vigor in the support tree?0 -
Vangy✭✭✭✭✭
✭....... ?
This would break the game... Why the hell would I ever play a stamina toon If dodge roll can cost mag? I mean.... I could have a perma blocking BOL spamming templar who can ALSO dodge roll.... Jeebus... That would be the very definition of OP lol.....
Stamina = good single target burst and healing, stealth + reasonable group damage or CC with bombard/ST/DBOS.
Mag = Good group burst (VD, proxy, batswarm etc etc) + good group healing, better utility
I mean if we go along the lines of they have it me want it... we would need to change a LOT of things. magicka vigor, stamina BOL ???? the list would be endless...... Its fine AS IS. Stop running toons with 45k mag and 8k stamina... if you WANT to use your off-resource do what everyone does.... GET SOME OF IT. Like my stamDK runs with 15k mag and my magplar runs with 17k stam..... I can still burst people fine for trading away a little wee bit of damage. Stop trying to funnel the game into stack 1 resource please. Its already bad enough as it is....
I was even trying to get healing moved from scaling of mag/stam to health to get a bit of diversity and here we are trying to make another thing unilateral.....Edited by Vangy on June 24, 2016 2:10AM(2)V16 Dk- stam dps/stam tank/mag dps
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Actually_Goku✭✭✭✭Why are magicka-based people so salty that stamina classes have more sustained damage, survivability, crit chance, reliable self-heals, burst heals, burst damage, and mobility all at cheap resource cost? Just L2P!3 -
Thornen✭✭✭✭✭I actually support this. Hear me out!
Black Desert Online (while I hate that cash grab with a passion and hope it burns in 1000 layers of Oblivion), had a cool way of doing this. They made magic-based classes have a teleport dodge instead ofa roll.
Many games actually do this, and it works better for balancing.
So, I would say that IF they gave magicka classes some sort of cool looking teleport-ish animation unique to their class (magicka Sorcerer looks like a mini-streak, magicka NB looks like reddish vapor, etc.), then I would be totally in favor.
Otherwise meh.
Honestly BDO is 10x the better game than ESO but yeh I don't play it because of their *** cash shop and god forsaken grind at endgame.0 -
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✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Magicka being used for a physical task makes no sense. Magicka would instead be used for short-range teleportation as a means of dodging.
And I'm sure you think stamina based healing off of "sweat" makes sense...Member of:
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