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For Magicka classes, make dodge roll magicka based.
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A simple solution to the QQ of stamina dodge roll specs, is to simply give magicka specs dodge roll based off their magicka. This will end the QQ once and for all. @ZOS_BrianWheeler @Wrobel @ZOS_MattFiror
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[edited for baiting]Edited by ZOS_CoriJ on June 24, 2016 4:25PM0 -
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✭There is a magicka dodge ... It's called "Streak"
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Cynnalia✭✭✭What in the world is a magicka class? Every class can spec to Magicka or Stam...how do you propose ESO determines when to use the Magicka pool for roll dodging? Based on how many attribute points they assign to Magicka? What about people that put all their points into Health and use food/glyphs/sets to boost their preferred stat?
I don't think it's that "simple".Edited by Cynnalia on June 23, 2016 10:58PMNA PS4 Daggerfall Covenant Characters -- CP 755
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✭✭✭Magicka being used for a physical task makes no sense. Magicka would instead be used for short-range teleportation as a means of dodging.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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✭I'm a magicka class, I can also dodgeroll fine
I don't see the issueArtemis Absinthe - DC magicka nightblade (PC - EU)
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✭✭✭✭✭I actually support this. Hear me out!
Black Desert Online (while I hate that cash grab with a passion and hope it burns in 1000 layers of Oblivion), had a cool way of doing this. They made magic-based classes have a teleport dodge instead ofa roll.
Many games actually do this, and it works better for balancing.
So, I would say that IF they gave magicka classes some sort of cool looking teleport-ish animation unique to their class (magicka Sorcerer looks like a mini-streak, magicka NB looks like reddish vapor, etc.), then I would be totally in favor.
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm a magicka class, I can also dodgeroll fine
I don't see the issue
Trying to find a way for us Mages to preserve our precious little amount of Stamina
Thing is tho: there are alry plenty of skills to help us with that"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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GivvumBoane✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Magicka being used for a physical task makes no sense. Magicka would instead be used for short-range teleportation as a means of dodging.
That could be cool, but everyone would complain about that as well. There would be countless threads complain about teleports and not being able to track their targets, blah,blah.All hail the prophet that is Mike Judge, for his Idiocracy prophecy is near fruition.1 -
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✭✭✭GivvumBoane wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Magicka being used for a physical task makes no sense. Magicka would instead be used for short-range teleportation as a means of dodging.
That could be cool, but everyone would complain about that as well. There would be countless threads complain about teleports and not being able to track their targets, blah,blah.
The teleports would be the same distance you could dodge roll, and the time it takes to teleport and reappear would basically be as long as how long you roll. In other words Dodge Rolling with Magicka with a different animation.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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GivvumBoane✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »GivvumBoane wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Magicka being used for a physical task makes no sense. Magicka would instead be used for short-range teleportation as a means of dodging.
That could be cool, but everyone would complain about that as well. There would be countless threads complain about teleports and not being able to track their targets, blah,blah.
The teleports would be the same distance you could dodge roll, and the time it takes to teleport and reappear would basically be as long as how long you roll. In other words Dodge Rolling with Magicka with a different animation.
You can tell what direction someone is rolling. Not so much for teleportation. There one sec, somewhere else the next. Where? Unknown until they reappear.All hail the prophet that is Mike Judge, for his Idiocracy prophecy is near fruition.0 -
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✭✭✭GivvumBoane wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »GivvumBoane wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Magicka being used for a physical task makes no sense. Magicka would instead be used for short-range teleportation as a means of dodging.
That could be cool, but everyone would complain about that as well. There would be countless threads complain about teleports and not being able to track their targets, blah,blah.
The teleports would be the same distance you could dodge roll, and the time it takes to teleport and reappear would basically be as long as how long you roll. In other words Dodge Rolling with Magicka with a different animation.
You can tell what direction someone is rolling. Not so much for teleportation. There one sec, somewhere else the next. Where? Unknown until they reappear.
Well the teleports won't be instant, nor will the reappearance. They will begin to materialize in the direction they teleported toward which gives ample time to respond, if you're sharp enough and keep on your toes.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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✭✭✭✭Teleport in would be cool as long as it had increasing cost like dodge roll and stam builds got some decent wards that don't screw over tanks. would also need to make sure you could tell which way the person was going, like a trail of energy or such.1 -
GivvumBoane✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »GivvumBoane wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »GivvumBoane wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Magicka being used for a physical task makes no sense. Magicka would instead be used for short-range teleportation as a means of dodging.
That could be cool, but everyone would complain about that as well. There would be countless threads complain about teleports and not being able to track their targets, blah,blah.
The teleports would be the same distance you could dodge roll, and the time it takes to teleport and reappear would basically be as long as how long you roll. In other words Dodge Rolling with Magicka with a different animation.
You can tell what direction someone is rolling. Not so much for teleportation. There one sec, somewhere else the next. Where? Unknown until they reappear.
Well the teleports won't be instant, nor will the reappearance. They will begin to materialize in the direction they teleported toward which gives ample time to respond, if you're sharp enough and keep on your toes.
I think it would be cool, but I don't pvp. I'm sure someone will complain. How would it be implemented though? A passive that converts stamina based dodge roll to magicka based teleport? If so, what classes would have it? Maybe a cp passive?All hail the prophet that is Mike Judge, for his Idiocracy prophecy is near fruition.0 -
Kalifas✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »GivvumBoane wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Magicka being used for a physical task makes no sense. Magicka would instead be used for short-range teleportation as a means of dodging.
That could be cool, but everyone would complain about that as well. There would be countless threads complain about teleports and not being able to track their targets, blah,blah.
The teleports would be the same distance you could dodge roll, and the time it takes to teleport and reappear would basically be as long as how long you roll. In other words Dodge Rolling with Magicka with a different animation.
Mutli-directional Bolt Escape with the same cost as dodge roll except it cost magicka and is for mage builds. Problem solved.An Avid fan of Elder Scrolls Online. Check out my Concepts Repository!0 -
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MuddledMuppet✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »GivvumBoane wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Magicka being used for a physical task makes no sense. Magicka would instead be used for short-range teleportation as a means of dodging.
That could be cool, but everyone would complain about that as well. There would be countless threads complain about teleports and not being able to track their targets, blah,blah.
The teleports would be the same distance you could dodge roll, and the time it takes to teleport and reappear would basically be as long as how long you roll. In other words Dodge Rolling with Magicka with a different animation.
Mutli-directional Bolt Escape with the same cost as dodge roll except it cost magicka and is for mage builds. Problem solved.
Except now they don't need stam for dodge, so they can effectively block cast more.Edited by MuddledMuppet on June 23, 2016 11:34PM0 -
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✭✭✭GivvumBoane wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »GivvumBoane wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »GivvumBoane wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Magicka being used for a physical task makes no sense. Magicka would instead be used for short-range teleportation as a means of dodging.
That could be cool, but everyone would complain about that as well. There would be countless threads complain about teleports and not being able to track their targets, blah,blah.
The teleports would be the same distance you could dodge roll, and the time it takes to teleport and reappear would basically be as long as how long you roll. In other words Dodge Rolling with Magicka with a different animation.
You can tell what direction someone is rolling. Not so much for teleportation. There one sec, somewhere else the next. Where? Unknown until they reappear.
Well the teleports won't be instant, nor will the reappearance. They will begin to materialize in the direction they teleported toward which gives ample time to respond, if you're sharp enough and keep on your toes.
I think it would be cool, but I don't pvp. I'm sure someone will complain. How would it be implemented though? A passive that converts stamina based dodge roll to magicka based teleport? If so, what classes would have it? Maybe a cp passive?
People ALWAYS complain about any and everything. You just can't let that sway you lolGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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MuddledMuppet✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »GivvumBoane wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »GivvumBoane wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »GivvumBoane wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Magicka being used for a physical task makes no sense. Magicka would instead be used for short-range teleportation as a means of dodging.
That could be cool, but everyone would complain about that as well. There would be countless threads complain about teleports and not being able to track their targets, blah,blah.
The teleports would be the same distance you could dodge roll, and the time it takes to teleport and reappear would basically be as long as how long you roll. In other words Dodge Rolling with Magicka with a different animation.
You can tell what direction someone is rolling. Not so much for teleportation. There one sec, somewhere else the next. Where? Unknown until they reappear.
Well the teleports won't be instant, nor will the reappearance. They will begin to materialize in the direction they teleported toward which gives ample time to respond, if you're sharp enough and keep on your toes.
I think it would be cool, but I don't pvp. I'm sure someone will complain. How would it be implemented though? A passive that converts stamina based dodge roll to magicka based teleport? If so, what classes would have it? Maybe a cp passive?
People ALWAYS complain about any and everything. You just can't let that sway you lol
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✭✭✭✭GivvumBoane wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »GivvumBoane wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »GivvumBoane wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Magicka being used for a physical task makes no sense. Magicka would instead be used for short-range teleportation as a means of dodging.
That could be cool, but everyone would complain about that as well. There would be countless threads complain about teleports and not being able to track their targets, blah,blah.
The teleports would be the same distance you could dodge roll, and the time it takes to teleport and reappear would basically be as long as how long you roll. In other words Dodge Rolling with Magicka with a different animation.
You can tell what direction someone is rolling. Not so much for teleportation. There one sec, somewhere else the next. Where? Unknown until they reappear.
Well the teleports won't be instant, nor will the reappearance. They will begin to materialize in the direction they teleported toward which gives ample time to respond, if you're sharp enough and keep on your toes.
I think it would be cool, but I don't pvp. I'm sure someone will complain. How would it be implemented though? A passive that converts stamina based dodge roll to magicka based teleport? If so, what classes would have it? Maybe a cp passive?
Combat and Abilities: roll dodging is now called 'evasive maneuver', and will use magicka or stamina, whichever is higher on your character. In addition, all passives, abilities, and champion points effecting "roll dodge" will now affect evasive maneuvers.2 -
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✭✭✭Dodge should actually be a short teleport slide for characters specced in magicka.2 -
GivvumBoane✭✭✭✭MuddledMuppet wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »GivvumBoane wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Magicka being used for a physical task makes no sense. Magicka would instead be used for short-range teleportation as a means of dodging.
That could be cool, but everyone would complain about that as well. There would be countless threads complain about teleports and not being able to track their targets, blah,blah.
The teleports would be the same distance you could dodge roll, and the time it takes to teleport and reappear would basically be as long as how long you roll. In other words Dodge Rolling with Magicka with a different animation.
Mutli-directional Bolt Escape with the same cost as dodge roll except it cost magicka and is for mage builds. Problem solved.
Except now they don't need stam for dodge, so they can effectively block cast more.
Well, I guess if they are spec'd for magicka dodge, I guess they could use some kind of energy barrier that would convert blocking to a magicka drain to compensate.Edited by GivvumBoane on June 23, 2016 11:46PMAll hail the prophet that is Mike Judge, for his Idiocracy prophecy is near fruition.1
