So they can make the gear bind on equip.

Sorry for the double post, but Buy To Play Base Players will still have DSA updated for them to romp through.

Acrolas wrote: »

ZOS probably weighed Q3 content against what they considered an average barber shop crown investment.

It wouldn't be all that productive to add a full-content game pack and then offer a lot of customization new options on top of that, plus the usual monthly crown store options. People would inevitably choose either the game pack or the customization.

Here, you can spend a little for new content, and a little for a new look. Q1-17 Housing update will probably be the same way, meaning that Q4-16 will most likely be a substantial content drop by comparison to either Q3-16 or Q1-17.

That's not saying that the Argonian packs can't have a premium and satisfying feel to them, though. To be standalone, they do have to be really good. Otherwise negative word of mouth will kill the smaller updates.

I have theories on the origin of the Argonian dungeons and I expect they will be as long and in depth as ICP was.

Willing to bet we get a portion of Black Marsh that will contain these dungeons. Perhaps not a big portion but a portion nonetheless. We will see though...

It will be much like IC for me, basically an update I'll ignore save for the barbershop and costume dyes.

That patch may contain basegame features (stuff that's available for everyone, like the poisons on the last update) and stuff for paying users only. My guess is that new dungeons will be for buyers and subscribers: developing and maintaining a game is not cheap.

Craglorn was "free" because it was launched during the subscription-only period, don't expect new zones to be free though.

Lava_Croft wrote: »

It seems the upcoming DLC dungeons are salvaged from the supposedly cancelled Murkmire DLC.

this...

they may get around to adding more Murkmire in small sections to eventually give you the whole zone (think of it like lower and upper Craglorn)

I expect they will do the same with Vvardenfell as that is a huge area too

but that being said, a "Dungeon Pack" should have included some Vet versions of the existing dungeons in base game too

acw37162 wrote: »

So they can make the gear bind on equip.

Exactly that will NOT happen with the 2 new dungeons. So there is a reason to buy the dlc, you know

Transairion wrote: »

Not sure how I missed it the first time, but the new Argonian-themed dungeons are noted to be a DLC Pack of their own, meaning they're not part of the base game at all and quite contrary to what I originally thought, which was they were just part of a game update in general.

Apart from the obvious $$$ reason, why are they part of DLC (that seemingly is just two dungeons) and not free? Doesn't this now mean the last new playable content added for all players via game update was Craglorn? This also doubles the amount of dungeons non-DLC holders can run (White Gold Tower + Imperial City; up from 2 to 4 and likely removing 4 days of Undaunted Pledges as well), the further separation of grouping not being something I can see Zenimax wanting to add to if they can avoid it.


Of course, at this point it's already confirmed DLC so nothing will change, I'm not asking for that. I just don't really get why it's not part of the base game, since at the moment the "DLC" seems to only include those two dungeons and nothing else.

We only know of two dungeons in this DLC. Who knows what will come with the DLC as well. You have a huge complex game for free. It is not surprising, that they SELL additional content to stay alive as a company. Every real content after craglorn has been part of a DLC. I don't know how you even wonder, why this DLCs content is as well

New content is rarely free in any game.

wonkydog wrote: »

Should find out more in the ESO/Twitch thingy tomorrow they posted on Twitter yesterday






Edit: Took me 6 attempts to attach the image. I'm useless

@wonkydog

Thanks, Would've missed it.

"Averya_Teira wrote: »

They are not the first DLC only Dungeons... and this DLC will probably be less expensive than TG and DB as the actual DLC does seem to be only two Dungeons.

They are not part of the base game because ZOS is a company that wants to be profitable lol ? You could just sub and get all DLCs you know, 15$ per month is one of the cheapest entertainment you can get. I mean... ONE movie ticket is around 16$ where I live lol...

As for ZOS not wanting to separate players. I think they do want that, so "free" players actually feel like missing out on something. How else will ZOS get them to buy the DLC or sub lol ?

Ergo my point, why bother to make a DLC that only includes 2 dungeons (everything else part of Update 11 appears to be a base game patch of Quality of Life features) if that's all there is? Every other DLC has contained a colossal amount of content compared to that.

Not going to get into a debate about subs vs non-subs, but I love ESO for being Buy to Play (hint hint, that cost money, there is no Free to Play) and I'm all for the cash shop/crown store... I don't really like being separated out due to lack of DLC though, especially when it's unnecessary. 4 straight days of being unable to do Undaunted Pledges isn't ideal at all.

It's obscenely unlikely anyone will subscribe just for that though, it'll just be same as now: when Imperial dungeons are Pledge/s of the day, only a handful of groups are looking during Pledge rollover. On any other day, there's dozens of groups looking. People without the DLC just don't turn up.

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Grileenor wrote: »

You have a huge complex game for free.

ESO is not gratis nor free.

Indeed, I didn't drop a load of cash on a Buy to Play game to be treated like someone who paid nothing.

Look, I get you throw a lot of stuff behind DLC, but creating a DLC that's entire makeup is two dungeons (which may be TERRIBLE!) seems weird given all the other DLC we've had. That's prime base patch material as a freebie until the next big DLC.