I had not put 2 and 2 together - I have been noticing more dead bodies than usual around towns but it did not even occur to me that if was for DB (on console here).

I am sure it will settle down to a 'normal' level once the initial rush is over. Maybe I should start on TG while everyone is busy on DB and then when I get to DB it won't be as crazy as it probably is now.

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

thisisScoMan wrote: »

I was one of these murderers.

Because the murder contracts were the way to level the DB skill line to keep going with the quest.

Then I hit DB 12 and I stopped.

There's probably many doing the same. Once they hit DB12, what's the point of continuing?

Oh yeah, the tainted blood.

Well people might want that too.

I really don't think that the contracts are the issue.. Try going to Anvil, and run around the back of the chapel for example.. those 4 npcs spend 95% of their time dead, and they are not on any contracts.. it's the blood

Well sometimes you get the "Kill any 3 people in a town" one, but you're right, I don't remember ever getting that for Anvil.

Blame the blood.

Mojmir wrote: »

Nope,the murders are immeraive for people playing dark brotherhood.

How so? You walk into a town and randomly start murdering people in broad day light, while hordes of witnesses armed to the teeth just stand there and watch you, or try to ignore you, cuz they can't do anything about it. All you have to do is avoid the brainless guards. Even if I wanted to play an evil assassin like character, I wouldn't find this fun at all.

You know what would be more immersive? If you had to watch all the players around you. Act like a normal player just going about their business trading, visiting the bank, crafting. All the while stalking your mark and waiting for the perfect moment when nobody is looking to strike. And then people hear the bloody death scream and rush to the scene only to find you are long gone. Or maybe they see you and alert the guard. And now you have to escape the town as the guard is chasing you and/or patrolling the streets in force, looking for you. Wouldn't that be more immersive? Wouldn't that be more fun?

I see some of you are mentioning the justice system. Sorry, I don't know much about that. I've only had this game for a few months. I have a vague idea of what you're talking about. But anyways, when creating a multiplayer rpg, one of the first things you have to consider is, how to stop that one *** that walks into town and just murders everything in site and ruins it for the rest of the players. Seems that they created a whole DLC just to encourage people to be that guy.

Oh yeah, and as was already mentioned, the NPC respawning while its corpse is still lying their on the ground looks so dumb.

EdmundTowers wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Nope,the murders are immeraive for people playing dark brotherhood.

How so? You walk into a town and randomly start murdering people in broad day light, while hordes of witnesses armed to the teeth just stand there and watch you, or try to ignore you, cuz they can't do anything about it. All you have to do is avoid the brainless guards. Even if I wanted to play an evil assassin like character, I wouldn't find this fun at all.

You know what would be more immersive? If you had to watch all the players around you. Act like a normal player just going about their business trading, visiting the bank, crafting. All the while stalking your mark and waiting for the perfect moment when nobody is looking to strike. And then people hear the bloody death scream and rush to the scene only to find you are long gone. Or maybe they see you and alert the guard. And now you have to escape the town as the guard is chasing you and/or patrolling the streets in force, looking for you.

I see some of you are mentioning the justice system. Sorry, I don't know much about that. I've only had this game for a few months. I have a vague idea of what you're talking about. But anyways, when creating a multiplayer rpg, one of the first things you have to consider is, how to stop that one *** that walks into town and just murders everything in site and ruins it for the rest of the players. Seems that they created a whole DLC just to encourage people to be that guy.

Oh yeah, and as was already mentioned, the NPC respawning while its corpse is still lying their on the ground looks so dumb.

What really frightens me is the amount of people who are "armed to the teeth". Lets be honest swords kill. We need to get these weapons off the streets and have strict weapon control laws put into play. Why do you think there are so many murders? Because the criminals have access to these weapons. When is the last time you had to go through a background check to get a weapon? I personally have never had to provide any info to get my weapons. So I call for a strict ban on all weapons! Lets make the streets safe again!

EdmundTowers wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

EdmundTowers wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Nope,the murders are immeraive for people playing dark brotherhood.

How so? You walk into a town and randomly start murdering people in broad day light, while hordes of witnesses armed to the teeth just stand there and watch you, or try to ignore you, cuz they can't do anything about it. All you have to do is avoid the brainless guards. Even if I wanted to play an evil assassin like character, I wouldn't find this fun at all.

You know what would be more immersive? If you had to watch all the players around you. Act like a normal player just going about their business trading, visiting the bank, crafting. All the while stalking your mark and waiting for the perfect moment when nobody is looking to strike. And then people hear the bloody death scream and rush to the scene only to find you are long gone. Or maybe they see you and alert the guard. And now you have to escape the town as the guard is chasing you and/or patrolling the streets in force, looking for you.

I see some of you are mentioning the justice system. Sorry, I don't know much about that. I've only had this game for a few months. I have a vague idea of what you're talking about. But anyways, when creating a multiplayer rpg, one of the first things you have to consider is, how to stop that one *** that walks into town and just murders everything in site and ruins it for the rest of the players. Seems that they created a whole DLC just to encourage people to be that guy.

Oh yeah, and as was already mentioned, the NPC respawning while its corpse is still lying their on the ground looks so dumb.

What really frightens me is the amount of people who are "armed to the teeth". Lets be honest swords kill. We need to get these weapons off the streets and have strict weapon control laws put into play. Why do you think there are so many murders? Because the criminals have access to these weapons. When is the last time you had to go through a background check to get a weapon? I personally have never had to provide any info to get my weapons. So I call for a strict ban on all weapons! Lets make the streets safe again!

Swords don't kill people, people do.

Well everyone knows you can't kill someone without having a weapon. Take the swords away and the killing stops.

I too admit it's gotten real annoying to be standing at the Banker or a Crafting station and suddenly I hear an "AGH! Aghh~ *gurggle*" every minute.

And it's not just straight up murder. I've seen people pickpocket and then murder the NPC they robbed. I stood right there and watched a guy do it. I would have LOVED to have unleashed a Heavy flame staff/Dark Flare/Jesus Beam combo on him if the Justice System worked that way.

It would really sunck to live in the same zone as the Dark Brotherhood.

Dang! That's the third husband they murdered this month! Guess I need to put on my LBD and go find another...

And no one could afford the life insurance rates.

EdmundTowers wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

EdmundTowers wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Nope,the murders are immeraive for people playing dark brotherhood.

How so? You walk into a town and randomly start murdering people in broad day light, while hordes of witnesses armed to the teeth just stand there and watch you, or try to ignore you, cuz they can't do anything about it. All you have to do is avoid the brainless guards. Even if I wanted to play an evil assassin like character, I wouldn't find this fun at all.

You know what would be more immersive? If you had to watch all the players around you. Act like a normal player just going about their business trading, visiting the bank, crafting. All the while stalking your mark and waiting for the perfect moment when nobody is looking to strike. And then people hear the bloody death scream and rush to the scene only to find you are long gone. Or maybe they see you and alert the guard. And now you have to escape the town as the guard is chasing you and/or patrolling the streets in force, looking for you.

I see some of you are mentioning the justice system. Sorry, I don't know much about that. I've only had this game for a few months. I have a vague idea of what you're talking about. But anyways, when creating a multiplayer rpg, one of the first things you have to consider is, how to stop that one *** that walks into town and just murders everything in site and ruins it for the rest of the players. Seems that they created a whole DLC just to encourage people to be that guy.

Oh yeah, and as was already mentioned, the NPC respawning while its corpse is still lying their on the ground looks so dumb.

What really frightens me is the amount of people who are "armed to the teeth". Lets be honest swords kill. We need to get these weapons off the streets and have strict weapon control laws put into play. Why do you think there are so many murders? Because the criminals have access to these weapons. When is the last time you had to go through a background check to get a weapon? I personally have never had to provide any info to get my weapons. So I call for a strict ban on all weapons! Lets make the streets safe again!

Swords don't kill people, people do.

Actually blades do, because Blade of Woe. Assassinations on Champion 160 NPCs would not be possible without this delightful little tool

Gidorick wrote: »

Is there something that can even be done about this? Really? No PVP system, almost no negatives for getting caught or getting killed because you committed the crimes... there is no incentive to NOT commit the crimes.

Besides personal preference and virtual morality no, no there isn't lol

I honestly don't really care about this and it's not an issue for me.

But if something were to change, I think the best and most reasonable way to fix this would be to lower the dried/tainted blood drop chance from neutral NPCs (civilians), so that way people would look elsewhere to farm. And maybe also lower the chance OR disable stolen loot drops when killing neutral NPCs (civilians) with the Blade of Woe.

OP must live in a bad part of town.

I suggest talking to your realtor.

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

I really don't think that the contracts are the issue.. Try going to Anvil, and run around the back of the chapel for example.. those 4 npcs spend 95% of their time dead, and they are not on any contracts.. it's the blood

This is partly due to there being an achievement specifically for killing a bunch of innocent people in Anvil. There's also one in Kvatch, and there's just as many dead bodies everywhere there too.

It'll wear off once everyone has their achievements and collects enough blood to make their full sets of Assassin's League style armor.

DB just makes me long even more for a new single-player Elder Scrolls game. Sadly, it will be a long wait.

Vyshan wrote: »

I'm glad they scrapped the PvP Justice system. PvP is lame, boring, and requires no real skill - it's just using the same cookie cutter builds.

I'm actually not looking to pvp people murdering npcs in the middle of town. It wouldn't be fun. It would just be a cp and gear check determining who wins. Besides, I do plenty of pvp in cyrodiil.

BenLocoDete wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Yes, I must admit it's all a bit silly; standing around whilst seeing others get murdered. There was one player in Wayrest the other day, they went from NPC to NPC murdering one after another in the middle of the day.

It's a perfect example of game mechanics - that might work fine in single-player games - completely missing the mark when it comes to a multiplayer platform. Something does need to be done. I see no reason why we shouldn't be able to attack these players if we see (are flagged to have seen) them murder someone.

And that's making no mention of all the corpses lying about still after the NPCs have re-spawned. It's fairly amateurish, ESO development should have done better.

Second the OP deeply and one of the main reasons the game annoys me after a couple hours playing it and (trying) to take part in the more civil activities. After several posts in different threads hammered by many PvP haters(being a PvP hater myself) I came with an alternative way to further explore the (in)justice system: "report crimes" synergy ability;

- Once a player commits a crime close to you(same radius used in synergy abilities) and *ONLY* if you don't have any bounty on your head, there will be a 'synergy' window with a "Press X to report crime" where you'll be able to scream for guards or sound an alert that would work just as if a guard witnessed that crime,
- After you scream for a guard, one of them will take part and behavior as usual.

- If by any chance you get said window and you haven't noticed any crime, you can still figure that something caught your attention and decide yourself if you should call a guard or not(from a roleplay point of view),
- This would force criminal players to either plan their acts accordingly or at least commit their crimes in less crowded areas, as "law enforcer" players would enjoy having the guards beat their nemeses.
- I'd also suggest longer respawn times or no respawn immediately option if you were beaten to death by a guard.


This is an alternative to the PvP originally planned where players would devote or make themselves available for guard work(good idea if you ask me, but PvP haters, you know, seem to hate it).

Yes, I love that idea. That's exactly the kind of thing I would like to have implemented into the game.