ZOS, Please make this game a true MMO. (Edit)

NewBlacksmurf · June 2016

Id be very upset if they changed the game in this way. I'd suggest try appreciating the difference of this game

GreenhaloX · June 2016

Not to bash Final Fantasy.. but I did not enjoy that game. I can't remember which one I tried, but it was short-lived, maybe it was the 8th or 10th version. I didn't like the fighting mechanic or style. I didn't know what the heck was going on, but I didn't get use to following onscreen directions on what to press for an attack to occur or waiting for that blip of instruction to come up. Then, after your character attacks, it seems you have to wait until the enemy attacks before you give more instructions to attack. Not sure if all the many Final Fantasy gameplay are like that, but that turned me off. If true MMO is like Final Fantasy and if ESO is similar to that Final Fantasy game, then ESO would be very short-lived for me. I'm not sure what true MMO is considered to be, since ESO is my first online game, but if ESO is considered to be hybrid.. great, hybrid is good then.

Callous2208 · June 2016

Final Fantasy had a good story. That's pretty much where the positives ended for me. I much prefer ESO. But then again, I'm pretty burnt out on the "traditional" mmo formula after years of playing them.

kongkim · June 2016

Hope the dev's read this thread as its very positive to read.

Neirymn · June 2016

After playing FFXIV ARR every single day for almost two years, I quit for ESO when it hits the consoles and I'm not ever going back.

Despite being a pay to play model, FFXIV has a cash shop, nothing like the crown store but ESO is not pay to play anymore so... Immersion is way better in ESO, the UI takes too much space on FFXIV, too much infos, so much to read that you don't look a lot at what's really happening in game and I never played a game that repetitive.

I never thought I would say that of a FF game as I am a fan since FFVIII but that's not even a true episode of the FINAL FANTASY series for me, not just because it's an MMO because I played FFXI (The first FF MMO) for years and it's a true FF episode imo, I'm still going back sometimes even though I prefer more recent games. FFXIV just felt hollow, I couldn't get attached to any NPC's in the game and quests are a lot of lines to read for nothing to say...

But yes FFXIV is better in performance than ESO, maybe because it's not a buy to play model, the lag and bugs are rare. But still, I won't go back. Even with its flaws, ESO is way better for me. I just wished it hasn't left the pay to play model, it might have helpt addressing the issues ZOS have to address faster.

Lysette · June 2016

The game is just going into a direction in which it should have gone in the first place. ZOS has the numbers and they can see, what the majority wants - and this does not seem to be the typical MMO - why would TES fans want a typical MMO?- They want a continuation of the TES series to be played with some friends, if they want to, but otherwise it should be playable solo. And that is what we get with ESO - the PvP stuff is not really TES, that feels alien to those who come from single-player games. And ZOS is now focusing on their core audience, who are here because of Elder Scrolls and not because of PvP. Some enjoy PvP as well, but that is not the reason why they are here - so ESO will never become a traditional MMO ever.

Lysette · June 2016

senhavran wrote: »

After playing FFXIV ARR every single day for almost two years, I quit for ESO when it hits the consoles and I'm not ever going back.

Despite being a pay to play model, FFXIV has a cash shop, nothing like the crown store but ESO is not pay to play anymore so... Immersion is way better in ESO, the UI takes too much space on FFXIV, too much infos, so much to read that you don't look a lot at what's really happening in game and I never played a game that repetitive.

I never thought I would say that of a FF game as I am a fan since FFVIII but that's not even a true episode of the FINAL FANTASY series for me, not just because it's an MMO because I played FFXI (The first FF MMO) for years and it's a true FF episode imo, I'm still going back sometimes even though I prefer more recent games. FFXIV just felt hollow, I couldn't get attached to any NPC's in the game and quests are a lot of lines to read for nothing to say...

But yes FFXIV is better in performance than ESO, maybe because it's not a buy to play model, the lag and bugs are rare. But still, I won't go back. Even with its flaws, ESO is way better for me. I just wished it hasn't left the pay to play model, it might have helpt addressing the issues ZOS have to address faster.

Well, we have a voluntary subscription model now and anyone who wants to play for a longer time - as in years - and likes crafting, will subscribe - the crafting bag is a perk worth it. Maybe not so for the PvP crowd - and that is what ZOS can see as well, that not much money is coming from that part of the community - and as a result, they focus on their core audience.

Neirymn · June 2016

Lysette wrote: »

senhavran wrote: »

After playing FFXIV ARR every single day for almost two years, I quit for ESO when it hits the consoles and I'm not ever going back.

Despite being a pay to play model, FFXIV has a cash shop, nothing like the crown store but ESO is not pay to play anymore so... Immersion is way better in ESO, the UI takes too much space on FFXIV, too much infos, so much to read that you don't look a lot at what's really happening in game and I never played a game that repetitive.

I never thought I would say that of a FF game as I am a fan since FFVIII but that's not even a true episode of the FINAL FANTASY series for me, not just because it's an MMO because I played FFXI (The first FF MMO) for years and it's a true FF episode imo, I'm still going back sometimes even though I prefer more recent games. FFXIV just felt hollow, I couldn't get attached to any NPC's in the game and quests are a lot of lines to read for nothing to say...

But yes FFXIV is better in performance than ESO, maybe because it's not a buy to play model, the lag and bugs are rare. But still, I won't go back. Even with its flaws, ESO is way better for me. I just wished it hasn't left the pay to play model, it might have helpt addressing the issues ZOS have to address faster.

Well, we have a voluntary subscription model now and anyone who wants to play for a longer time - as in years - and likes crafting, will subscribe - the crafting bag is a perk worth it. Maybe not so for the PvP crowd - and that is what ZOS can see as well, that not much money is coming from that part of the community - and as a result, they focus on their core audience.

I am an ESO+ subscriber.

Balamoor · June 2016

ContraTempo wrote: »

a1i3n0ct0pu5 wrote: »

Lol this game is a joke at this point just buy a PC, and install GW2 or B&S or WoW or wait for Camelot Unchained.

So I'm just wondering what you are doing on the ESO forum? It seems odd to be hanging out on the forum of a game you hate.

It's called Astro-turfing for competitors...we have quite a few here that do it. Some do it just to troll others do it for profit.

holosoul · June 2016

if you want ESO to be a copy of FF go play FF
I hate that every online game has to copy every other online game since I'm already sick of all the same "features" for the past 10 - 20 years

Balamoor · June 2016

holosoul wrote: »

if you want ESO to be a copy of FF go play FF
I hate that every online game has to copy every other online game since I'm already sick of all the same "features" for the past 10 - 20 years

Bingo.

Not everyone is going to like FF ARR, not everyone will like ESO Zos simply can't be all things to all people. One of the biggest problems with these forums are those that are here just to bash the game and use them to Astro Turf for other games.

That really should stop I think.

Rosavyn · June 2016

Van_0S wrote: »

These are the list, what I really wanted ESO to have like in FFxiv ARR and other MMO games have already!

-FFxiv arr as unique guild system( mobile app and web browser , player can view their guild mates info any time )----this, I really want!✔

- View other players gear.
- good graphics.
- character/gear detail models,✔
- auto idle emotes.
-No, forced class,race and faction. ( not everyone likes to make an alternate character)✔
- Very good story content.✔
- More additional races, classes and unique gears.✔
- flying mounts. ( at least in the new PvE areas like Vvardenfell.)

These features will make ESO more attractive. Please, implement this! ZOS!

Note:
✔--- I want these features to be added in ESO.

@Van_0S I can agree with most of the list but a few opinions, also thank you for being more specific on what you where looking for

- I would love a mobile app for a guild/guild store system, though I honestly preferred WoW's version of one over FFxiv's
- Viewing other players gear would be nice as a quick way to help new players or when you're trying to craft someone what they're missing or just an upgraded set of their current gear, but I know people would also use it in a more elitist way in dungeons
- Define your idea of good graphics? imo ESO is beautiful so long as all of your settings aren't on low, the art style is different from FFxiv
- see above, however I can understand with FFxiv having gone so far as to show different earrings, bracelets, necklaces, rings ect.
- auto idle emotes this is likely going to be attached mainly to the personalities that are coming out that you can equip
- there is an any race any faction upgrade you can buy, (it comes with the adventure pack upgrade http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/crownstore/upgrades, or if you preordered the game) also with One Tamriel coming out the only faction forcing will be in pvp
- It's an elder scrolls game.. most of the time all I hear is compliments on its story but eh to each their own
- I don't see them adding more races as most of the other races that would likely be player usable where wiped out era's ago lore wise, however more classes and/or weapon lines would be interesting.
- Please no flying mounts, please. Yes they're cool and fancy and sometimes fast but they kill player interactions on the ground and with all the stuff there is to find just by exploring in this world you'd be missing a lot, just use the wayshrines.

HoloYoitsu · June 2016

Matt Firor wrote:

ESO is not really a traditional MMO, so we don’t use that term much around the office

"MMO" of the year 2015, guys.

Solid_Metal · June 2016

"- Very good story content.✔"
in MMO?, seriously?, even on FF14 and GW2 the story was so lazy written and lacking, hell, even IMO TESO done a better job at that

"Lastly, please support mods! "
this is an MMO game dude....ffs, the only mod you can have (and this is a stretch word of a mod) is change your clothes texture

Van_0S · June 2016

Rosavyn wrote: »

Define your idea of good graphics? imo ESO is beautiful so long as all of your settings aren't on low, the art style is different from FFxiv

If you switch/ view to first person then you will see a lot of blur in the textures of everything( builds, armor,etc) but in other MMO's ( Ffxiv ARR, blade and soul,etc) you don't see that kind of thing.

Rosavyn wrote: »

There is an any race any faction upgrade you can buy, (it comes with the adventure pack upgrade http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/crownstore/upgrades, or if you preordered the game) also with One Tamriel coming out the only faction forcing will be in pvp

What I want is to change my class, race and faction anytime I want. So, need for me to make alternate characters. My main character will play all role and this will also remove the imbalance of classes, races and faction.( all we have to do is work for it...) But the CP cap is a poor excuse of this idea, hence the imbalance.

Rosavyn wrote: »

- Please no flying mounts, please. Yes they're cool and fancy and sometimes fast but they kill player interactions on the ground and with all the stuff there is to find just by exploring in this world you'd be missing a lot, just use the wayshrines.

Hahaha!

True! But let one dlc have that at least and Vvandenfell is the best zone that I can thing of because of the landscape, like in TES 3: Morrowind

Van_0S · June 2016

Solid_Metal wrote: »

"- Very good story content.✔"
in MMO?, seriously?, even on FF14 and GW2 the story was so lazy written and lacking, hell, even IMO TESO done a better job at that

FFxiv ARR: heavensward as a good story!!

Solid_Metal wrote: »

"Lastly, please support mods! "
this is an MMO game dude....ffs, the only mod you can have (and this is a stretch word of a mod) is change your clothes texture

Hahahaha!

Its my opinion! I know mods are not acceptable in ZOS game but TES was hit because of mods that is the community!
So, I want ZOS to support the community more and make some cool stuffs not the lame addons that provide minimum advantage to this game.

But, its just wishfull thinking, that's all!

Rosavyn · June 2016

Van_0S wrote: »

1) if you switch/ view to first person then you will see a lot of blur in the textures of everything( builds, armor,etc) but in other MMO's ( Ffxiv ARR, blade and soul,etc) you don't see that kind of thing.

2)What I want is to change my class, race and faction anytime I want. So, need for me to make alternate characters. My main character will play all role and this will also remove the imbalance of classes, races and faction.( all we have to do is work for it...) But the CP cap is a poor excuse of this idea, hence the imbalance.

First person view was a rushed addin for ESO if I remember right, people in beta complaining about not having it even though now most people will say 'play in third person or you'll miss combat que's' so things like weapons and glove/hands likely won't look as good, it happens and there hasn't really been much demand from what I've seen for it to get 'fixed'

I have never seen an MMO allow class changes if it has locked classes (ffxiv is one of the few that doesn't) you're likely wanting race and faction change tokens like WoW has rather than 'no forced race/class/faction' which is something I can actually understand requesting as someone who changed the race and faction of their WoW characters frequently.

Or, you're wanting them to more or less rewrite most of the game to add in the feature that ffxiv has in place for its class system. At that point you're better off just going back to ffxiv and asking them to update their combat system. Which ftr, ffxiv is far from balanced with its classes, just because someone has access to them all on one character doesn't mean that there isn't going to be that one (or more) "It's so overpowered!" skill/class setup.

On a side note as I forgot to mention it earlier, ESO does allow addons, which is more than ffxiv can say, many of them you can find here: http://www.esoui.com/addons.php (Addons being an MMO's version of "Mods that are legal to use with the game")

Solid_Metal · June 2016

Van_0S wrote: »

Solid_Metal wrote: »

"- Very good story content.✔"
in MMO?, seriously?, even on FF14 and GW2 the story was so lazy written and lacking, hell, even IMO TESO done a better job at that

FFxiv ARR: heavensward as a good story!!

Solid_Metal wrote: »

"Lastly, please support mods! "
this is an MMO game dude....ffs, the only mod you can have (and this is a stretch word of a mod) is change your clothes texture

Hahahaha!

Its my opinion! I know mods are not acceptable in ZOS game but TES was hit because of mods that is the community!
So, I want ZOS to support the community more and make some cool stuffs not the lame addons that provide minimum advantage to this game.

But, its just wishfull thinking, that's all!

yeah, sorry for my snarky reply, have quite a bad day today lol

iam not yet play heavensward, since i stop playing FF14 since ESO:TU announce, this game IMHO has more value/better than FF14 in quite lot of aspect

but vanilla FF14 story itself kinda crap, TESO have a very good story, story telling system, and pace

- good graphic...well depend on your definition of good graphic, ESO have a great stylized model, but unfortunately quite wonky color scheme and texture resolution on some places, for me, they probably only need to change that

-"No, forced class,race and faction", this probably my favourite part of FF14, i do honestly hope that they'll implement it, but its highly unlikely they will change the class system in near future

- "More additional races, classes and unique gears" , CMIIW but this game have more races, the same classes amount and much more unique gears than FF14 (i said FF14 because you compare this game too much on FF14, if we compare it to WoW, probably TESO indeed quite lacking on those area, but this game just released 2 years ago, and WoW already released for 12 years...so yeah)

- "flying mounts. " i reject this idea whole heartedly, thats what ruined WoW lol

but again, IMO all of those your point didnt reflect "True MMO" , what is a "true" MMO anyway?, good graphic?, flying mounts?, even the cross all in one character class only applicable in FF14

Leogon · June 2016

Lysette wrote: »

The game is just going into a direction in which it should have gone in the first place. ZOS has the numbers and they can see, what the majority wants - and this does not seem to be the typical MMO - why would TES fans want a typical MMO?- They want a continuation of the TES series to be played with some friends, if they want to, but otherwise it should be playable solo. And that is what we get with ESO - the PvP stuff is not really TES, that feels alien to those who come from single-player games. And ZOS is now focusing on their core audience, who are here because of Elder Scrolls and not because of PvP. Some enjoy PvP as well, but that is not the reason why they are here - so ESO will never become a traditional MMO ever.

This. The reason I play this game so much is because it's not a typical MMO.

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

We'd probably have to start paying a monthly fee. I'd be okay with this, its another bill to pay. but quality I guess. Only those that play for a couple weeks and quit would truly protest that change.

You're wrong. I'm not one of those part-time/temporary players, I just don't like subs and I'm not alone.

Justice31st · June 2016

Bethesda is supporting their console customers with mods and the creation kit, Zenimax won't even support console players with addons. Also in order for ESO to truly be an MMO again they would have to get rid of or offer the best end game weapons for group content, not only in a single player vMA. Preferably in an updated vDSA.

Lynnessa · June 2016

If you want a good story, go read a book... ESO has better stories than any other MMO I've tried, but MMOs by their nature are a poor storytelling medium.

Silver_Strider · June 2016

The only reason I am not on FFXIV:ARR right now is because I don't have a job to pay the sub fee.
I've played both ESO and FFXIV for a year each and I enjoyed FFXIV more than I have ESO.
While I enjoyed ESO's combat and crafting system as well as the PvP more than I did FFXIV, I just can't ignore all the glaring issues with ESO either. Lag, bugs, exploits have run rampant in ESO since conception with delayed "fixes" happening far to infrequently to deal with them in a timely manner. The imbalance of the majority of classes/races/etc, compounded with the constant swinging between Stamina and Magic balancing attempts every patch and no real character progression just makes it all more bothersome than it's honestly worth.

In FFXIV, many issues/imbalances were handled in a very timely manner. Class imbalances were there, sure but not to such a large scale that a class was deemed useless or a liability either. The end game content was also plentiful with various trials/raids/dungeons to do, plenty of dailies, quest for gear progression (as much as I HATED the Zodiac Weapon quests, it was content that offered a very worthwhile reward that ultimately progressed your character's performance). I also liked that I wasn't restricted to 1 class thru the entirety of the game; I could be a Scholar, a Paladin and a Monk all on the same character with just a simple button click switching everything I needed to switch instantly and continue to play the story as though nothing had happened.

The only real thing that ESO handled better than FFXIV was the level for freedom you had with your character as you progressed. You have so many different skills and gear sets that change how your character is that the possibilities are endless. However, that freedom is short lived as end game content practically forces you into specific sets/rotations in order for you to complete it anyways so a lot of the fun is lost if you mean to play anything competitively.

Ep1kMalware · June 2016

Van_0S wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Van_0S wrote: »

I have spent time and money on your game. I still love this game but many features are still not present or implemented in this game like other MMO's especially thus game "final fantasy xiv ARR".

Please, dev's see/learn more from this game Final fantasy xiv ARR and make it more of a 18+ game to your audience.

Lastly, please support mods! that's what Bethesda games, where famous/known for.

Apparently you missed this article from game director Matt Firor. In it he stated, "Again, we’re not really a traditional MMO, we are much more of a hybrid, kind of like an ‘online RPG’. The term MMO is freighted with a lot of pre-conceived notions, most of which are outdated and obsolete."

Yes, I did miss that article.........I guess this thread is a waste of time for them

'outdated and obsolete' But more financially sucessful with superior longevity.