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  • Animal_Mother
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    Vipstaakki wrote: »
    I don't really get the point of 'I unsubbed' threats. No one on the forums really cares if you unsubbed.
    You would do better job sending the news to ZOS directly. Not that it makes a difference but you are their customer so it concerns them more than the forum community..

    Having unsubbed at least 3 times since I received my 1st year loyalty items, I can tell you, because it isn't a secret, an exit interview is not an option when you click the button. I wish it was.

    And yes, I keep coming back. Like it was said earlier, ESO is one of the best options out there for an MMO; despite everything ZOS does to sabotage it. I keep hoping they get it right for once.

    edit: The only players ESO has ever solicited information from are the huge guilds who were once invited to a Guild Summit. The forums are the only way for the rest of us voice our opinion; and the way the mods have been acting recently, our opinions don't matter at all.
    Edited by Animal_Mother on June 17, 2016 1:11AM
  • Xylphan
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    Tandor wrote: »
    That, and the belief that permanently banned players have had their bans lifted remain pure conjecture and rumour so far as I can see. I accept that ZOS need to communicate over this more, and in particular it would doubtless help if they implemented the publication of the number and type of bans issued each week or month, as they indicated was a reasonable proposition.

    An update on what is happening is overdue, that much is certain, but in the meantime people are getting terribly excited without any clear proof of what it is they're getting excited over. It's all based on "My guildmate told me this...", "If what I saw on Reddit is true...", and "So-and-so has been reported and he's still there...", none of which is in any way conclusive evidence of anything, while ZOS are saying what most developers say which is that they're not prepared to discuss individual cases.

    Well here's the thing. You aren't allowed to post evidence. You do that, and the post will get deleted, the thread will get locked, and the poster runs a good chance of getting banned.

    You and others like you have been saying "where's the proof" or "no proof, just conspiracy and rumor" and even "no one is cheating because no one is posting evidence". Well, people have tried and were shut down for doing so. And that's not a conspiracy. There's a crap ton of censored and locked threads to back that up.

    In fact, this thread will likely be locked as a result of this topic coming up.
    Tandor wrote: »
    They do, however, need to give an update on the overall situation. Players also need to get a sense of perspective, however. While this is indeed a major issue for those who PvP and/or do competitive PvE that is by no means indicative of the game being killed off. Those who are affected by these things don't seem able to accept that there are plenty of players who simply aren't affected by them.

    I'm going to chalk this statement up to naivety.

    You either haven't played a lot of MMOs or you have luckily avoided ones where this situation occurs. I've seen this type of situation/response before. I've seen responses just like yours in those former communities. I've seen where it ends too.

    The people who are angry over this are angry because they really like this game and don't want to see it end up like other MMOs who have gone a similar route. The fact that there has been a deafening silence along with evidence that punishments in this case and others have been some finger waving and tut-tutting does little to instill confidence.
    Tandor wrote: »
    I hope that ZOS are cracking down on cheats, permanently, and that those who play in any way competitively get the reassurances on that that they clearly need, but meanwhile everyone else will carry on playing as usual.

    Fiddling while Rome burns, eh Nero? Hope that works out for you. Hasn't worked so far, but you never know. This time just might be different.

    Or ZOS could step up to the plate like other MMO companies and lay the smack down on cheaters and plug the surprising large holes that allow them to exploit the game. Doubtful considering the churn and burn schedule they've set for themselves, but it could happen.

    In the meantime, like so many others, until i see evidence that these concerns are being addressed I see no reason to keep sending money their way.

  • Manpoints
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    Can't even dispute the misinformation because the thread will get locked. SMH lol

    I think thats the idea dude :pensive:

    So many people in here who obviously dont have the ability to google, or watch any of the 40 youtube videos out there.
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  • SirAndy
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    TheHsN wrote: »
    If u stoped ur "subscription" WHY?

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  • Volkodav
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    Zyle wrote: »
    Volkodav wrote: »
    Zyle wrote: »
    Volkodav wrote: »
    Zyle wrote: »
    My top 3 reasons:

    1. Once it became clear they're unaware of how to optimize their game. You can't blame end user hardware forever.
    2. Turn around time on issues. There are an infinite amount of examples for this.
    3. Lack of support for PvP as a whole. We need serious fixes, not 1-3 incremental non-noted back-end we'll never see the difference in performance changes per quarter.

    One of the biggest things that I think about constantly is the potential this game has and how much of it is wasted due to poor development/management. This could be such an amazing game, I just don't have a decade to wait for them to figure out things that should have been figured out by launch.

    Why does everyone want ZOS to turn ESO into what it never was supposed to be? A PvP game.
    People also talk about how they should take a lesson from this game or that,for ESO to be more like those games.
    Personally,if I wanted a PvP game,there are many to choose from.And,if I wanted to play the games that often get mentioned in the forums,I would justy go play them.
    But,I dont because I like ESO as it is.And MMORPG with PvP elements.

    Where did I once say I wanted ZOS to turn ESO into PvP only? I want proper support for PvP. If you're looking to white knight for ZOS right now it's not the right thread and you actually need to read my comment next time.

    Oh,please forgive me,..really! I didnt mean you.I swear it.I started out just to say one thing,and your words just reminded me of that small rant.I promise you arent in the wrong.I really should have stipulated that.
    I started to add at the bottom of my post that I wasnt meaning you,but didnt,thinking you wouldnt need it.
    I was wrong.
    To those who saw my comment:
    (I didnt mean the person I was commenting to)

    (And here's my "safety Smiley". :) )

    Apologies for the snarky reply then. I'm still in the 2nd stage of grief over this game.

    No,it's ok.
    I really should have added that last bit.I usually do when I think about it.
    And I'm so sorry you are experiencing such grief. I understand your frustration with the PvP situation.Yours and other players too.
    I dont do PvP,but there certainly should be more care taken of that part of the game.I mean,why put something in a game then ignore it.
    Leave it completely out if you dont want to do it right.
    And I dont mean for ZOS to leave PvP out.I mean for them to pay better attention to it since they put it there to begin with.
  • Personofsecrets
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    I would cancel to show disapproval of current game issues, but I won't because the crafting bag is too valuable.
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  • DaveMoeDee
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    I don't think a game that has only 1 new DLC every 3 months is worth $13 a month. None of the DLC are worth $39.

    I'll just sub one month when new DLC is released. I'm will to pay a little more than I would buying DLC with crowns to refill my crafting bag every 3 months.

    If the game still required a sub, I never would have returned. I've never met a game that I considered worth $160 a year.
    Edited by DaveMoeDee on June 17, 2016 4:39AM
  • Zoner
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    Don't want to pay for the privilege of playing with known hackers while others get permabanned for far less.

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  • Malpherian
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    I think some people are misunderstanding Matt when he said you don't see a hardcore play style. I think he simply meant when you take away the sub model people won't feel they need to play as much to get their moneys worth so they come back to the game when a new DLC comes out and leave when they beat it and then repeat for all the new DLC. I consider myself a hardcore player. I have played almost everyday since PC launch. I was not offended by what he said but that's just me. I guess people are too easily offended these days. There are still hardcore players so don't take his words as meaning "hardcore players don't exist".

    Actually, according to industry statistics, once a game goes free to play, it's population increases, and "Unique Same Account Play" goes up, Not down (And subs go up as well believe it or not) It's the reason the Industry uses this model almost exclusively now days with every game.

    So either Matt (No offense) is completely misinformed or wrong, Just doesn't give a rats ass and is blowing smoke up everyone else's, or is Incompetent/Clueless.

    Personally from what I have seen over the years from development and how ZOE deals with issues... I'm going to say he's the latter.

    The reason I think that is because, and here's the sad part... The ZOE/ESO team "does" ... "Try". But unlike competent dev's who get the problem fixed and decent content out at a decent rate, they botch everything, and create content which is basically a hollow shell and takes less then 15 hours to go through.

    I mean seriously... Bethesda offers DLC for it's single player games that take you days and weeks to go through and only charges like 4$ for it. Yet ZOE creates DLC that is deep on the surface, and makes you want to buy it, but after you do you realize you just paid them for well... Basically nothing. And they charge upwards of 20$ to 40$ for it. (I mean seriously 40$ for a fracking Motif? Are you serious?)

    ZOE's content... Is severely lacking any real "Content".
    Edited by Malpherian on June 17, 2016 6:44AM
  • pinkempyreal
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    I have subbed since day one however I had a few months where I did not renew. The only reason was because I was busy playing either Dragon Age Inquisition, The Witcher 3 or Fallout 4.
    Otherwise I love this game. But I am more into the PvE. The quests have been great, DLC or otherwise. I suppose I am more a "single player" in this MMO, outside of group dungeons.
  • KhajiitiLizard
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    Bethesda's DLC usually cost about $20 when new... at least that's what the Dragonborn DLC cost like 5 years ago. But DLC like that are huge.

    And here ZOS chargers more for a stupid mount or useless assistant then a whole game!
    Edited by KhajiitiLizard on June 17, 2016 6:46AM
  • Malpherian
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    Balamoor wrote: »
    Forgive me I'm going to ramble a bit....

    This post was created to basically form an angry mob and to chant why ZOS sucks nothing more. It's apparent in the shouting down of anyone who has positive things to say about the game or subbing.

    Subbing in ESO is a option, just because you unsub doesn't mean you stop playing, buying crowns DLC's or items and really doesn't effect the health of the game/company/community.

    All I know is this game is full of people, the cities are much more crowded than just about any other MMO I'm playing. I honestly don't think ZOS is worrying too much about folks raging on the forums because that's what happens on forums.

    Every MMO has issues, but as MMO's go there is more to like about ESO than to not like. If you want to see a studio in trouble check out Wildstar, I have a good friend that currently works for Carbine Studios and they are facing the stark reality of being kicked to the curb by their publisher for embracing what a vocal minority is crying about on the forums. (Supposed dumb down content not enough catering to hardcores etc) Then you have about ten other MMo's that are dead or dying because they are PVP centric.


    The point is ZOS is doing what it takes to survive in a tough market and it's not going to please everyone.

    You over exaggerate, and blatantly lie in this post. No one has shouted anyone down, they have simply given counterpoints (which are valid and backed by evidence) to what some of the white knights such as yourself have said.

    On your points, your just as a ware as I am that they are not even remotely Valid. There is a vast difference between an MMO that is functional as a whole but has "Issues" here and there.

    And ESO which is not functional as a whole, due to the many Issues that have yet to be fixed, and are blatantly refused to be fixed by the devs, Since Launch, and I am not even including the problems they introduce with every new DLC on top of the old ones, and the changes they make every DLC to the classes which mess things up even more rather then fixing them.

    I know you know this, unless you simply sit in game on your character and talk to people without actually doing anything, You know this. You have too. Unless of course this is your first MMORPG and you think this is how things are supposed to be.. In which case... you need to get out more before deciding to present yourself as a target to people who know far better then you what a properly managed and run MMO looks like.

    PS, I have been a Dev, as well as a Creative Consultant for over 25 MMO's and MMORPG's, All of which are still around and all of which have 1 million+ "Subscribers" not even including the player base of the ones that are also F2P.

    The ESO team doesn't have a clue how to Develop, run and manage an MMO.
    Edited by Malpherian on June 17, 2016 6:57AM
  • Maelfice
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    I have been on ESO plus since day 1. Everytime i buy the subscription, i do not get the crowns. So i stopped a month ago because its just getting too much stressful dealing with their customer service. Now its 1 year. New DLC, i figure hey maybe ill give them a chance. Its only been what, 8 months since i have been promised that they will fix it after numerous conplaints. Mind you i asked every month. So i bought it on dlc day. Comes to no surprise. No crowns. I emailed them. This customer service rep told me bluntly, you should be aware that it takes 24-48 hours before the crowns get added to your account. And resolved ticket. Great. Ive had that scripted advise for almost a year now. Not once was it correct. Awesome game, sub par customer service. Not worth a subscription.
  • Malpherian
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    Balamoor wrote: »
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    You realize the game was marketed like crazy for PVP before it was launched. That is why many people bought the game. It was suppose to have huge PVP elements in it. That is why even in PVE areas you get PVP notifications.

    Yes and quite honestly that was a huge mistake. Half of the player base in this game are from other ES games, these are the players that have been screaming for the ability to adventure with their friends since Oblivion was released. Then you have the core MMO players that want to craft, Run Dungeons, RP and Raid. That puts the PVPers at a disadvantage, even more so because they are the biggest collection of complainers in gaming and the PVP centric MMO market is over-saturated now.

    It's took over a year for ZOS to finds its legs and audience with ESO, it may not be what you want to hear but it looks like the PVPers aren't it. That doesn't mean they are going to abandon PVP, it means they are becoming more diverse.

    This game failed with the old TES fan base (millions of people they lost) Because they locked people into classes, and the world was hollow and not immersive. And before white knights show up and go "But all other MMO's have classes!)... No... They don't. In fact some of the most successful MMO's (besides World of Warcraft) Don't have classes at all, and if they do, your not actually "Locked into them". Even Wow is changing the way it's classes work to support a more open arrangement of skills and skill lines.

    People want freedom, and Choice to make their character whatever they want. The old mentality of Wizards, and Paladins, is gone and has been for quite some time. We told the ESO devs this during both, Beta, and Alpha, Millions of us, told them do not go with Classes, you will lose players, and if you do go with classes, do not Lock people into them, allow people to switch out their skill lines or skills from a pool which contains every skill in the game etc.

    They didn't listen, and their launch was a complete failure, 6 months in they were so broke and failing so hard that they had to go F2P in order to "Save the game". ESO has limped on ever since.

    Why? Because ZOE.. Still wont listen to it's player base.

    [Edit to remove naming and shaming]
    Edited by [Deleted User] on June 17, 2016 9:11PM
  • Turelus
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    @BenLocoDete @Vipstaakki

    For myself I posted here because there is no option for feedback when you cancel you sub, this is the same reason I asked the moderators to keep this thread open.

    Normally in an MMO when you close your sub you're offered a chance to say a reason why you left, either from a little drop down box or from a short form you can fill in.

    With ESO you get nothing, so there is no way to send a message to the company stating the problems which cause people to leave the game.

    In a way yes this is a thread where people are threatening ZOS vis the financial support they offer but it's also as a point of making a show that there are a number of long term subscribers leaving right now because of the CE issues and Matt's recent comments which we all know didn't have the intent we've taken but coming at a time of such turmoil it was that last slap in the face to many.

    For anyone who played EVE Online during the monocle gate drama the forums and community here right now very much has the same feel as it did over there back then.
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  • Malpherian
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    Turelus wrote: »
    @BenLocoDete @Vipstaakki

    For myself I posted here because there is no option for feedback when you cancel you sub, this is the same reason I asked the moderators to keep this thread open.

    Normally in an MMO when you close your sub you're offered a chance to say a reason why you left, either from a little drop down box or from a short form you can fill in.

    With ESO you get nothing, so there is no way to send a message to the company stating the problems which cause people to leave the game.

    In a way yes this is a thread where people are threatening ZOS vis the financial support they offer but it's also as a point of making a show that there are a number of long term subscribers leaving right now because of the CE issues and Matt's recent comments which we all know didn't have the intent we've taken but coming at a time of such turmoil it was that last slap in the face to many.

    For anyone who played EVE Online during the monocle gate drama the forums and community here right now very much has the same feel as it did over there back then.

    Being an EvE Online player,

    The difference between ZOE, and CCP is that CCP actually gives a damn about it's players, and what they desire and want or need, and they make it a point to prove such through their actions, and interactions with their Stellar Council, which was created specifically to breach the gap so to speak between the Dev's and the players.

    I mean hell they even fly the people out to Iceland twice a year to discuss in game issues and come up with resolutions which work "for" the player base, rather then against it, All paid expenses,,,, I mean seriously. If only every other MMO actually cared that much about it's players.

    Speaking of which.... By by sub to ESO, Hello Resub to EvE Online.

    DB was the last straw for me. I expected "content" and ended up with something that took me less time to beat then the "Noob Starter Island Stross Macai". That is simply pathetic.
    Edited by Malpherian on June 17, 2016 7:29AM
  • arkansas_ESO
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    I'm a PVP player and none of the DLCs (with the exception of Imperial City, which I just bought outright) have any appeal to me whatsoever. Therefore, I don't sub, as I don't have any interest in new costumes or access to any of the DLC areas.


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  • FireCowCommando
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    Well, at least with how much ZoS is paying different websites to write positive opinions for the game and its future... you can get a good deal on selling your account :smiley:
  • daemonios
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    DaveMoeDee wrote: »
    I don't think a game that has only 1 new DLC every 3 months is worth $13 a month. None of the DLC are worth $39.

    I'll just sub one month when new DLC is released. I'm will to pay a little more than I would buying DLC with crowns to refill my crafting bag every 3 months.

    If the game still required a sub, I never would have returned. I've never met a game that I considered worth $160 a year.

    I didn't sub for the DLC, I subbed because I believe that is the only honest way to support this kind of game with ongoing server and development costs. F2P/B2P models invariably get the kind of issues ESO is having. I said so when the game switched to B2P and ZOS have proven me right.
  • olsborg
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    cause of lagg and bugs

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  • Elsterchen
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    I played since beta.

    I was subscribed but canceled my subscription due to performance issues.

    If I can't enjoy all content as intended, why should I pay for it?
    Sadly, performance just keeps getting worse for me... and if it stays at its current pace of getting worse I won't be able to play PVP from next year on. I still sit on a good amount of crowns from the time i subbed, but if performance isn't getting better for me I do not see any reason to support this game financially.
  • Tandor
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    Xylphan wrote: »
    Tandor wrote: »
    They do, however, need to give an update on the overall situation. Players also need to get a sense of perspective, however. While this is indeed a major issue for those who PvP and/or do competitive PvE that is by no means indicative of the game being killed off. Those who are affected by these things don't seem able to accept that there are plenty of players who simply aren't affected by them.

    I'm going to chalk this statement up to naivety.

    You either haven't played a lot of MMOs or you have luckily avoided ones where this situation occurs. I've seen this type of situation/response before. I've seen responses just like yours in those former communities. I've seen where it ends too.


    I've been playing MMOs since 1998 and have played plenty of them where this situation has occurred. I haven't been adversely affected in any of them. The games, and my enjoyment of them, have outlived the forum hysteria on the subject of cheating just as they have on the subject of class balance and all the other "big issues" that crop up in these games. In the case of ESO, I don't PvP, PvE competitively, do trials or group dungeons, or take part in the guild trading system. I am solely interested in solo PvE and cooperative PvE in the case of dolmens, world bosses and delves etc. If I didn't read the forum regularly I wouldn't even know that there was a problem with cheating (other than by knowing generally that any online game that has competitive elements suffers from uncontrollable cheats and exploits relating to those competitive elements).

    Like I said before, I fully understand that for those with a different playstyle these are serious issues and they need to be addressed urgently and with a greater degree of information, but it really is the case that not everyone is affected by them.
  • KhajiitiLizard
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    So you'd support a developer that has little to no integrity? It's not just about the cheating, but all the game breaking bugs that any reasonable developer would have fixed or mostly fixed by now.
  • Tandor
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    So you'd support a developer that has little to no integrity? It's not just about the cheating, but all the game breaking bugs that any reasonable developer would have fixed or mostly fixed by now.

    That's a very pejorative description. I have seen no evidence that ZOS has little to no integrity. I've also personally experienced very little in the way of bugs and none that were remotely game-breaking. I've been playing ESO since the PC launch and I'm very happy with the state and direction of the game but of course such things are entirely dependent on playstyle and subjectivity and I for one readily accept that some other people's mileage may vary. Not everyone's, tho, as there are many more players just happily getting on with playing the game than there are hopping up and down on the forum.
  • Malpherian
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    Tandor wrote: »
    So you'd support a developer that has little to no integrity? It's not just about the cheating, but all the game breaking bugs that any reasonable developer would have fixed or mostly fixed by now.

    That's a very pejorative description. I have seen no evidence that ZOS has little to no integrity. I've also personally experienced very little in the way of bugs and none that were remotely game-breaking. I've been playing ESO since the PC launch and I'm very happy with the state and direction of the game but of course such things are entirely dependent on playstyle and subjectivity and I for one readily accept that some other people's mileage may vary. Not everyone's, tho, as there are many more players just happily getting on with playing the game than there are hopping up and down on the forum.

    ZOS has, multiple times mind you, Told players "Buy this and you'll be a special snowflake and only you will ever have it", Simply to turn around and offer it on a steam sale, or from the cash shop.

    Basically, they lied to their players to get them to purchase something which was supposed to be "Limited" and or "special" only to turn around and offer it up as an enticement to new players or put it on the cash shop once the game went F2P.

    Look at the history that is only one example.

    Heres another:

    ZOS stated at Release that the TG and DB would be released within the first 3 updates, and would be "free" expansions. Yet 2 years later they are selling them. And it's what? Update 16 now and we are just getting TG and DB?


    I can do this all day.....


    Here's the definition of integrity:

    in·teg·ri·ty
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    noun
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    the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness.
    "he is known to be a man of integrity"
    synonyms: honesty, probity, rectitude, honor, good character, principle(s), ethics, morals, righteousness, morality, virtue, decency, fairness, scrupulousness, sincerity, truthfulness, trustworthiness
    "I never doubted his integrity"


    When has ZOS EVER done that? Hell their entire advertisement for the game is nothing but a Blatant lie about it's mechanics.

    "Be who you want to be" "Complete freedom to make your character however you wish"

    If being on rails is being who you want to be.. Sure. If being locked into classes is being able to make your character however you like... Sure.....

    If they had told people, Limited skills, only 4 classes, And zoned areas your locked into until you complete certain quests (Even while leveling).... They wouldn't have sold half as many copies.... But hey at least they would have been being honest.


    No, ZOE has done nothing but Lie to, and Cheat it's Player-base since it was launched.
    Edited by Malpherian on June 17, 2016 9:12AM
  • Turelus
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  • Beardimus
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    Thought about unsubbing purely due to Orsinium being buggy for Daily Writ hand
    Xbox One | EU | EP
    Beardimus : VR16 Dunmer MagSorc [RIP MagDW 2015-2018]
    Emperor of Sotha Sil 02-2018 & Sheogorath 05-2019
    1st Emperor of Ravenwatch
    Alts - - for the Lolz
    Archimus : Bosmer Thief / Archer / Werewolf
    Orcimus : Fat drunk Orc battlefield 1st aider
    Scalimus - Argonian Sorc Healer / Pet master

    Fighting small scale with : The SAXON Guild
    Fighting with [PvP] : The Undaunted Wolves
    Trading Guilds : TradersOfNirn | FourSquareTraders

    Xbox One | NA | EP
    Bëardimus : L43 Dunmer Magsorc / BG
    Heals-With-Pets : VR16 Argonian Sorc PvP / BG Healer
    Nordimus : VR16 Stamsorc
    Beardimus le 13iem : L30 Dunmer Magsorc Icereach
  • SwaminoNowlino
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    "I don't engage in 60% of the content and I rarely interact with other players and I just enjoy solo PVE. So I've never noticed any cheating and it doesn't bother me."

    Then why are you disputing someone's complaints of cheating and class balance? I've never left my home or had a tv or newspaper, so I think any of you talking about the horrors of war are wrong....

    If you want to play solo and just do the basic PVE then great for you! Great part about this game is play as you want. But don't argue with someone about cheating and class balance then. Sheesh
    Xbox NA : CP 160 StamPlar, MagNB, MagSorc, StamSorc, StamDK, StamNB, Level 10 MagDK & MagPlar, StamWarden, MagWarden

    "We want firing off Dark Exchange in the middle of combat to feel awesome." - The Balance Lord Wrobel
    - And now it sure does, better learn how to bash folks!

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  • Tandor
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    Malpherian wrote: »
    Tandor wrote: »
    So you'd support a developer that has little to no integrity? It's not just about the cheating, but all the game breaking bugs that any reasonable developer would have fixed or mostly fixed by now.

    That's a very pejorative description. I have seen no evidence that ZOS has little to no integrity. I've also personally experienced very little in the way of bugs and none that were remotely game-breaking. I've been playing ESO since the PC launch and I'm very happy with the state and direction of the game but of course such things are entirely dependent on playstyle and subjectivity and I for one readily accept that some other people's mileage may vary. Not everyone's, tho, as there are many more players just happily getting on with playing the game than there are hopping up and down on the forum.

    ZOS has, multiple times mind you, Told players "Buy this and you'll be a special snowflake and only you will ever have it", Simply to turn around and offer it on a steam sale, or from the cash shop.

    Basically, they lied to their players to get them to purchase something which was supposed to be "Limited" and or "special" only to turn around and offer it up as an enticement to new players or put it on the cash shop once the game went F2P.

    Look at the history that is only one example.

    Heres another:

    ZOS stated at Release that the TG and DB would be released within the first 3 updates, and would be "free" expansions. Yet 2 years later they are selling them. And it's what? Update 16 now and we are just getting TG and DB?


    I can do this all day.....


    Here's the definition of integrity:

    in·teg·ri·ty
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    noun
    1.
    the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness.
    "he is known to be a man of integrity"
    synonyms: honesty, probity, rectitude, honor, good character, principle(s), ethics, morals, righteousness, morality, virtue, decency, fairness, scrupulousness, sincerity, truthfulness, trustworthiness
    "I never doubted his integrity"


    When has ZOS EVER done that? Hell their entire advertisement for the game is nothing but a Blatant lie about it's mechanics.

    "Be who you want to be" "Complete freedom to make your character however you wish"

    If being on rails is being who you want to be.. Sure. If being locked into classes is being able to make your character however you like... Sure.....

    If they had told people, Limited skills, only 4 classes, And zoned areas your locked into until you complete certain quests (Even while leveling).... They wouldn't have sold half as many copies.... But hey at least they would have been being honest.


    No, ZOE has done nothing but Lie to, and Cheat it's Player-base since it was launched.

    Most of the changes came about as a result of the change in business model arising from the proposal to add a console version, which I believe has been good for the game in overall terms. I don't think they lied, I think they told it as they saw it at the time. As anyone who's been in business knows, situations change and you have to adapt to them, things don't always work out best the way you initially thought they would.

    According to the back of the original box "Play as you like" was stated in relation to "Adventure alone or together with friends. The choice is yours to make." People knew perfectly well that there were a fixed number of classes (and races), but what gave added freedom of choice compared to many MMOs as indicated in the advertising was that you could equip any combination of weapon and armour sets for all the classes, each choice resulting in different skills. People also know that while it's always going to be possible with freedom of choice over such things for the average player to pick and choose at will and do so successfully, the hardcore min-maxer is always going to end up chasing the one or two most favoured combinations.

    I'm not sure what point you're making about being locked into zones, even while leveling. Most MMOs have some form of zonal progression. in ESO you can advance through most zones freely although you may not survive.

    If, however, there are people who genuinely believe that ZOS have done nothing but lied to them and cheated them since the game was launched then why on earth are those people still around? It's just part of the forum hysteria with very little of any real substance behind it or they'd be gone. Even a topic like this one is only about people not subscribing any more, they're still playing.
    Edited by Tandor on June 17, 2016 10:42AM
  • Francescolg
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    I dropped over a year ago, when - instead of nurfing the skyrocket high damage, which results from the removal of caps, they introduced the PvP-malus buff (-50% damage). This was the poorest solution, which has never been done in any other MMO, so far as I know!

    The second reason was the nurf to my beloved Templar, who had his best skills taken away or made weak, as: Blazing Shield, Blinding Flashes a.s.o. THIS was not necessary and, basically, nothing great has been done about the class and my major requests: Significant Burst Damage, AoE-CC (stun, knockdown,..), Mobility and less casted/channeled, clumsy, buggy skills, yes even sweeps and Jesus Beam are a joke compared to the "speed" of other class's skills. (now, over a year on a NB/Sorc, I can say, this classes make more AP in PvP because healing strangers in PvP, as a way to play PvP, is not as $ rewarding $ as doing pure, plain DPS on targets >> favor of DPS-spec's in PvP = Sorc/NB FTW >> who is guilty? >> Mr W.!!).

    Did I forget sth.? Oh yes, bow-spec's have also been too strong since fall 2014 :smiley:

    Imho, hardcore-players where favored too often, be it the Arena-Weapons, the buff of "high end" itemization, skills like Prox. Detonation, the too-long Nirnh.-Bug, etc. etc.. They should have been more cautious with powerful AE-effects (Vicious Death).
    Edited by Francescolg on June 17, 2016 11:02AM
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