Vipstaakki wrote: »I don't really get the point of 'I unsubbed' threats. No one on the forums really cares if you unsubbed.
You would do better job sending the news to ZOS directly. Not that it makes a difference but you are their customer so it concerns them more than the forum community..
That, and the belief that permanently banned players have had their bans lifted remain pure conjecture and rumour so far as I can see. I accept that ZOS need to communicate over this more, and in particular it would doubtless help if they implemented the publication of the number and type of bans issued each week or month, as they indicated was a reasonable proposition.
An update on what is happening is overdue, that much is certain, but in the meantime people are getting terribly excited without any clear proof of what it is they're getting excited over. It's all based on "My guildmate told me this...", "If what I saw on Reddit is true...", and "So-and-so has been reported and he's still there...", none of which is in any way conclusive evidence of anything, while ZOS are saying what most developers say which is that they're not prepared to discuss individual cases.
They do, however, need to give an update on the overall situation. Players also need to get a sense of perspective, however. While this is indeed a major issue for those who PvP and/or do competitive PvE that is by no means indicative of the game being killed off. Those who are affected by these things don't seem able to accept that there are plenty of players who simply aren't affected by them.
I hope that ZOS are cracking down on cheats, permanently, and that those who play in any way competitively get the reassurances on that that they clearly need, but meanwhile everyone else will carry on playing as usual.
SwaminoNowlino wrote: »Can't even dispute the misinformation because the thread will get locked. SMH lol
My top 3 reasons:
1. Once it became clear they're unaware of how to optimize their game. You can't blame end user hardware forever.
2. Turn around time on issues. There are an infinite amount of examples for this.
3. Lack of support for PvP as a whole. We need serious fixes, not 1-3 incremental non-noted back-end we'll never see the difference in performance changes per quarter.
One of the biggest things that I think about constantly is the potential this game has and how much of it is wasted due to poor development/management. This could be such an amazing game, I just don't have a decade to wait for them to figure out things that should have been figured out by launch.
Why does everyone want ZOS to turn ESO into what it never was supposed to be? A PvP game.
People also talk about how they should take a lesson from this game or that,for ESO to be more like those games.
Personally,if I wanted a PvP game,there are many to choose from.And,if I wanted to play the games that often get mentioned in the forums,I would justy go play them.
But,I dont because I like ESO as it is.And MMORPG with PvP elements.
Where did I once say I wanted ZOS to turn ESO into PvP only? I want proper support for PvP. If you're looking to white knight for ZOS right now it's not the right thread and you actually need to read my comment next time.
Oh,please forgive me,..really! I didnt mean you.I swear it.I started out just to say one thing,and your words just reminded me of that small rant.I promise you arent in the wrong.I really should have stipulated that.
I started to add at the bottom of my post that I wasnt meaning you,but didnt,thinking you wouldnt need it.
I was wrong.
To those who saw my comment:
(I didnt mean the person I was commenting to)
(And here's my "safety Smiley".)
Apologies for the snarky reply then. I'm still in the 2nd stage of grief over this game.
FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »I think some people are misunderstanding Matt when he said you don't see a hardcore play style. I think he simply meant when you take away the sub model people won't feel they need to play as much to get their moneys worth so they come back to the game when a new DLC comes out and leave when they beat it and then repeat for all the new DLC. I consider myself a hardcore player. I have played almost everyday since PC launch. I was not offended by what he said but that's just me. I guess people are too easily offended these days. There are still hardcore players so don't take his words as meaning "hardcore players don't exist".
Forgive me I'm going to ramble a bit....
This post was created to basically form an angry mob and to chant why ZOS sucks nothing more. It's apparent in the shouting down of anyone who has positive things to say about the game or subbing.
Subbing in ESO is a option, just because you unsub doesn't mean you stop playing, buying crowns DLC's or items and really doesn't effect the health of the game/company/community.
All I know is this game is full of people, the cities are much more crowded than just about any other MMO I'm playing. I honestly don't think ZOS is worrying too much about folks raging on the forums because that's what happens on forums.
Every MMO has issues, but as MMO's go there is more to like about ESO than to not like. If you want to see a studio in trouble check out Wildstar, I have a good friend that currently works for Carbine Studios and they are facing the stark reality of being kicked to the curb by their publisher for embracing what a vocal minority is crying about on the forums. (Supposed dumb down content not enough catering to hardcores etc) Then you have about ten other MMo's that are dead or dying because they are PVP centric.
The point is ZOS is doing what it takes to survive in a tough market and it's not going to please everyone.
flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »[
You realize the game was marketed like crazy for PVP before it was launched. That is why many people bought the game. It was suppose to have huge PVP elements in it. That is why even in PVE areas you get PVP notifications.
Yes and quite honestly that was a huge mistake. Half of the player base in this game are from other ES games, these are the players that have been screaming for the ability to adventure with their friends since Oblivion was released. Then you have the core MMO players that want to craft, Run Dungeons, RP and Raid. That puts the PVPers at a disadvantage, even more so because they are the biggest collection of complainers in gaming and the PVP centric MMO market is over-saturated now.
It's took over a year for ZOS to finds its legs and audience with ESO, it may not be what you want to hear but it looks like the PVPers aren't it. That doesn't mean they are going to abandon PVP, it means they are becoming more diverse.
@BenLocoDete @Vipstaakki
For myself I posted here because there is no option for feedback when you cancel you sub, this is the same reason I asked the moderators to keep this thread open.
Normally in an MMO when you close your sub you're offered a chance to say a reason why you left, either from a little drop down box or from a short form you can fill in.
With ESO you get nothing, so there is no way to send a message to the company stating the problems which cause people to leave the game.
In a way yes this is a thread where people are threatening ZOS vis the financial support they offer but it's also as a point of making a show that there are a number of long term subscribers leaving right now because of the CE issues and Matt's recent comments which we all know didn't have the intent we've taken but coming at a time of such turmoil it was that last slap in the face to many.
For anyone who played EVE Online during the monocle gate drama the forums and community here right now very much has the same feel as it did over there back then.
DaveMoeDee wrote: »I don't think a game that has only 1 new DLC every 3 months is worth $13 a month. None of the DLC are worth $39.
I'll just sub one month when new DLC is released. I'm will to pay a little more than I would buying DLC with crowns to refill my crafting bag every 3 months.
If the game still required a sub, I never would have returned. I've never met a game that I considered worth $160 a year.
They do, however, need to give an update on the overall situation. Players also need to get a sense of perspective, however. While this is indeed a major issue for those who PvP and/or do competitive PvE that is by no means indicative of the game being killed off. Those who are affected by these things don't seem able to accept that there are plenty of players who simply aren't affected by them.
I'm going to chalk this statement up to naivety.
You either haven't played a lot of MMOs or you have luckily avoided ones where this situation occurs. I've seen this type of situation/response before. I've seen responses just like yours in those former communities. I've seen where it ends too.
KhajiitiLizard wrote: »So you'd support a developer that has little to no integrity? It's not just about the cheating, but all the game breaking bugs that any reasonable developer would have fixed or mostly fixed by now.
KhajiitiLizard wrote: »So you'd support a developer that has little to no integrity? It's not just about the cheating, but all the game breaking bugs that any reasonable developer would have fixed or mostly fixed by now.
That's a very pejorative description. I have seen no evidence that ZOS has little to no integrity. I've also personally experienced very little in the way of bugs and none that were remotely game-breaking. I've been playing ESO since the PC launch and I'm very happy with the state and direction of the game but of course such things are entirely dependent on playstyle and subjectivity and I for one readily accept that some other people's mileage may vary. Not everyone's, tho, as there are many more players just happily getting on with playing the game than there are hopping up and down on the forum.
Malpherian wrote: »KhajiitiLizard wrote: »So you'd support a developer that has little to no integrity? It's not just about the cheating, but all the game breaking bugs that any reasonable developer would have fixed or mostly fixed by now.
That's a very pejorative description. I have seen no evidence that ZOS has little to no integrity. I've also personally experienced very little in the way of bugs and none that were remotely game-breaking. I've been playing ESO since the PC launch and I'm very happy with the state and direction of the game but of course such things are entirely dependent on playstyle and subjectivity and I for one readily accept that some other people's mileage may vary. Not everyone's, tho, as there are many more players just happily getting on with playing the game than there are hopping up and down on the forum.
ZOS has, multiple times mind you, Told players "Buy this and you'll be a special snowflake and only you will ever have it", Simply to turn around and offer it on a steam sale, or from the cash shop.
Basically, they lied to their players to get them to purchase something which was supposed to be "Limited" and or "special" only to turn around and offer it up as an enticement to new players or put it on the cash shop once the game went F2P.
Look at the history that is only one example.
Heres another:
ZOS stated at Release that the TG and DB would be released within the first 3 updates, and would be "free" expansions. Yet 2 years later they are selling them. And it's what? Update 16 now and we are just getting TG and DB?
I can do this all day.....
Here's the definition of integrity:
in·teg·ri·ty
inˈteɡrədē/
noun
1.
the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness.
"he is known to be a man of integrity"
synonyms: honesty, probity, rectitude, honor, good character, principle(s), ethics, morals, righteousness, morality, virtue, decency, fairness, scrupulousness, sincerity, truthfulness, trustworthiness
"I never doubted his integrity"
When has ZOS EVER done that? Hell their entire advertisement for the game is nothing but a Blatant lie about it's mechanics.
"Be who you want to be" "Complete freedom to make your character however you wish"
If being on rails is being who you want to be.. Sure. If being locked into classes is being able to make your character however you like... Sure.....
If they had told people, Limited skills, only 4 classes, And zoned areas your locked into until you complete certain quests (Even while leveling).... They wouldn't have sold half as many copies.... But hey at least they would have been being honest.
No, ZOE has done nothing but Lie to, and Cheat it's Player-base since it was launched.