CALLING ALL AD TO COME TO HADERUS TO HELP STOP THE DC ZERG

God_flakes · June 2016

Makkir wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

I hope you have sent any evidence to ZoS, your baiting is getting tiring.

@Ghostbane
You can bet I sure as hell sent it to ZOS

I'm just waiting here with a BIG bag of popcorn for a certain somebody to post some more hacking evidence of another certain somebody who is pretty mighty high on the EP anti-cheating band wagon. I mean, it's enough to make my jewels shrivel.

It's just so cute that people using CE run around crying certain classes are OP and demanding nerfs and all kinds of dumb changes. Meanwhile they have a lack of respect in general for the game, honest players and the future of this game which so many of us really love and have dedicated two years to. The whole thing is maddening. And any dummy can see this problem isn't going away. It's festering and getting worse and worse. And closing threads and moving threads and threatening people isn't making it go away.

mchermie · June 2016

Its really sad to watch this witch hunt. Just name the players you think are cheating instead of just claiming how big of a problem this apparently is for ESO.
Ive never had an issue with this while in Cyrodiil. It seriously sounds like people are just salty because other players are better than them. AND YES, we all know who has been banned etc etc, but this is not about him/them. You guys are just trying to make the community more toxic than it already is, just because you THINK someone (or everyone? idk) might be cheating

Minno wrote: »

If 4-5 people can inflate their stats, they become godlike. To combat this, more and more players are forced to "zerg". At some point those players either leave or ask for more help.

Like, wth is this Minno. Are you claiming that this happens regularly? Ive never ever seen or heard of someone who were cheating to be able to do this. Youre making it sound like a common thing to encounter. Another witch hunt, just because some people are able to kill dozens in a small group?

Makkir · June 2016

Minno wrote: »

I hear it's a derivative of CE at work. Specially compiled for ESO only. Can't recall the name of it, I'm sure there are a few posting in the thread that know the name. So technically... when they deny using Cheat Engine, they aren't expressly lying.

Doesn't surprise me actually. Especially if the people cheating have extensive computer science backgrounds.

Translation- not gettin' any

God_flakes · June 2016

mchermie wrote: »

Its really sad to watch this witchunt. Just name the players you think are cheating instead of just claiming how big of a problem this apparently is for ESO.
Ive never had an issue with this while in Cyrodiil. It seriously sounds like people are just salty because other players are better than them. AND YES, we all know who has been banned etc etc, but this is not about him/them. You guys are just trying to make the community more toxic than it already is, just because you THINK someone (or everyone? idk) might be cheating

Minno wrote: »

If 4-5 people can inflate their stats, they become godlike. To combat this, more and more players are forced to "zerg". At some point those players either leave or ask for more help.

Like, wth is this Minno. Are you claiming that this happens regularly? Ive never ever seen or heard of someone cheating to be able to do this. Youre making it sound like a common thing to encounter. Another witchhunt, just because some people are able to kill dozens in a small group?

Several were already named and alluded to by @manny254, or did you miss that? His comment has gotten over 30 likes. This isn't a witch hunt. This is a tight knit community of players who all talk and well, secrets can't be kept for long.

rfennell_ESO · June 2016

mchermie wrote: »

Its really sad to watch this witchunt. Just name the players you think are cheating instead of just claiming how big of a problem this apparently is for ESO.
Ive never had an issue with this while in Cyrodiil. It seriously sounds like people are just salty because other players are better than them. AND YES, we all know who has been banned etc etc, but this is not about him/them. You guys are just trying to make the community more toxic than it already is, just because you THINK someone (or everyone? idk) might be cheating

Minno wrote: »

If 4-5 people can inflate their stats, they become godlike. To combat this, more and more players are forced to "zerg". At some point those players either leave or ask for more help.

Like, wth is this Minno. Are you claiming that this happens regularly? Ive never ever seen or heard of someone cheating to be able to do this. Youre making it sound like a common thing to encounter. Another witchhunt, just because some people are able to kill dozens in a small group?

It's always amusing that the "witch hunt" references and total denial of the plausibility of things being discussed always comes from the coven.

Minno · June 2016

mchermie wrote: »

Its really sad to watch this witchunt. Just name the players you think are cheating instead of just claiming how big of a problem this apparently is for ESO.
Ive never had an issue with this while in Cyrodiil. It seriously sounds like people are just salty because other players are better than them. AND YES, we all know who has been banned etc etc, but this is not about him/them. You guys are just trying to make the community more toxic than it already is, just because you THINK someone (or everyone? idk) might be cheating

Minno wrote: »

If 4-5 people can inflate their stats, they become godlike. To combat this, more and more players are forced to "zerg". At some point those players either leave or ask for more help.

Like, wth is this Minno. Are you claiming that this happens regularly? Ive never ever seen or heard of someone cheating to be able to do this. Youre making it sound like a common thing to encounter. Another witchhunt, just because some people are able to kill dozens in a small group?

My comment was based on seeing those ultimate stackers on pre-db weekend. At some point, aside from the ulti stack, one player took on 10+ DC outside ash with minimal playstyle performance degradation. It just makes you wonder how many tanky players are actually tanky. But without a transparent hard-line response from ZOS, the community will always feel something is wrong with certain players and assume someone that 1vx it's doing something to pull the situation in their favor.

You'd have to also prove that the cheating isn't happening too (though nifty showed proof, we had speed hack videos, etc.) At this time the safest option is to assume most players cheat, submit a bug report and keep playing. Streamers are normally safe from these accusations because if you catch their streams, their toons show normal resource drains, health drops, 100% constant play viewing, and dmg numbers plus their stats.

At some point you'll be attacked by a player whose build leaves you either trying to replicate it or come to the realization that it's stats are not natural. Only thing a normal player can do is gang up on any player to avoid them doing dmg. Either that's a direct response to the patch meta or a players fear certain named toons are too optimally superior in a game whose design intent is "play however you want, with friends but be mindful of the checks and balances".

Makkir · June 2016

I would just like to make another bold statement:

If I run a shop and you are caught shoplifting, I am kicking you out and perma-banning you from being allowed in my store. I don't care if next time you have $1000 to spend.

Ishammael · June 2016

God_flakes wrote: »

mchermie wrote: »

Its really sad to watch this witchunt. Just name the players you think are cheating instead of just claiming how big of a problem this apparently is for ESO.
Ive never had an issue with this while in Cyrodiil. It seriously sounds like people are just salty because other players are better than them. AND YES, we all know who has been banned etc etc, but this is not about him/them. You guys are just trying to make the community more toxic than it already is, just because you THINK someone (or everyone? idk) might be cheating

Minno wrote: »

If 4-5 people can inflate their stats, they become godlike. To combat this, more and more players are forced to "zerg". At some point those players either leave or ask for more help.

Like, wth is this Minno. Are you claiming that this happens regularly? Ive never ever seen or heard of someone cheating to be able to do this. Youre making it sound like a common thing to encounter. Another witchhunt, just because some people are able to kill dozens in a small group?

Several were already named and alluded to by @manny254, or did you miss that? His comment has gotten over 30 likes. This isn't a witch hunt. This is a tight knit community of players who all talk and well, secrets can't be kept for long.

Actually, it is almost by definition a witch hunt, where "likes" are interpreted as proof.
Regardless of whether Moji is correct, he still must provide evidence.
Burden of proof is on the accuser.

The net result of this is all over the forums -- players accused, whether correctly or not, of cheating. The PvP community always was a bit harsh. Now it has devolved into utter toxicity. Blame lies mainly with ZoS for not acting quickly, with impunity and impartiality (see Blizzard) while communicating actively with the PvP community. Some blame lies with those who sling accusations and continually insinuate via rhetorical fallacies.

Witness the following fallacy known as "affirming the consequent":

If he cheats, he will be win.
He won.
Therefore, he cheated.

This type of behavior must stop.

EDIT: The un-banning of players who were proved to actually have cheated is ridiculous.

mchermie · June 2016

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

It's always amusing that the "witch hunt" references and total denial of the plausibility of things being discussed always comes from the coven.

Ive seen and experienced the cheats with ulti and speed myself. Im just trying to tell you guys that cheating is NOT a BIG problem for eso, even though you guys believe everyone are doing it

Minno · June 2016

Ishammael wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

mchermie wrote: »

Its really sad to watch this witchunt. Just name the players you think are cheating instead of just claiming how big of a problem this apparently is for ESO.
Ive never had an issue with this while in Cyrodiil. It seriously sounds like people are just salty because other players are better than them. AND YES, we all know who has been banned etc etc, but this is not about him/them. You guys are just trying to make the community more toxic than it already is, just because you THINK someone (or everyone? idk) might be cheating

Minno wrote: »

If 4-5 people can inflate their stats, they become godlike. To combat this, more and more players are forced to "zerg". At some point those players either leave or ask for more help.

Like, wth is this Minno. Are you claiming that this happens regularly? Ive never ever seen or heard of someone cheating to be able to do this. Youre making it sound like a common thing to encounter. Another witchhunt, just because some people are able to kill dozens in a small group?

Several were already named and alluded to by @manny254, or did you miss that? His comment has gotten over 30 likes. This isn't a witch hunt. This is a tight knit community of players who all talk and well, secrets can't be kept for long.

Actually, it is almost by definition a witch hunt, where "likes" are interpreted as proof.
Regardless of whether Moji is correct, he still must provide evidence.
Burden of proof is on the accuser.

The net result of this is all over the forums -- players accused, whether correctly or not, of cheating. The PvP community always was a bit harsh. Now it has devolved into utter toxicity. Blame lies mainly with ZoS for not acting quickly, with impunity and impartiality (see Blizzard) while communicating actively with the PvP community. Some blame lies with those who sling accusations and continually insinuate via rhetorical fallacies.

Witness the following fallacy known as "affirming the consequent":

If he cheats, he will be win.
He won.
Therefore, he cheated.

This type of behavior must stop.

EDIT: The un-banning of players who were proved to actually have cheated is ridiculous.

Then consider the viewpoint from the players:

- those that do not cheat, feel abused especially if some of known cheaters blow legitimate players off top rankings.
- ZOS is 100 % liable. And nothing shirt of transparency will solve this.
- because of item #2, players feel the need to take action. Without a viable outlet we will prove guilty first, if it means keeping some sense of normalcy to pvp play.
- it's hard to return trust to fellow players, if many were said were banned but soon allowed to play. Without the ban list, it's hard to keep the population in check because these players weren't average 15 year olds "experimenting". A certain player was caught time and time again but with temp ban, and still rose to the tops of leaderboards. How do you want to play a game if it means you *must* cheat to get top slot? How do you take that player, and those he regularly runs with, seriously? How does it feel to the average player that looks up to actual good players but seems some known cheaters on a "best player" list?

The witch hunt is bad, but I see no alternative until Zos takes a more transparent stance. There's actually no going back, as much as we need it to

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Crispen_Longbow · June 2016

Jules wrote: »

the current Had map, EST, 00:43

What was the population at this time?

WillhelmBlack · June 2016

WTF is an EU server?

Crispen_Longbow · June 2016

NACtron wrote: »

That's very cool and insightful! It would be awesome to see one for Trueflame.

Here is the updated one for Had and TF. I stopped at 5PM as my 3 daughters wanted me to take them out for dinner. So didn't get to finish the night on had or TF.

HAD - Around 5PM MST (7pm EST) looks like DC got up to 3 bars and dethroned and had their own emp at the same time. Today it looks like DC still has the Emp but pretty balanced map during the day. Balanced in that it's low pop across the board. So basically any one large guild could flip the map currently.

TF - Generally EP is Pop locked during the day but looks like there are enough AD/DC to challenge them now. Primetime looks to be fine with poplocked across the board.

zyk · June 2016

mchermie wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

It's always amusing that the "witch hunt" references and total denial of the plausibility of things being discussed always comes from the coven.

Ive seen and experienced the cheats with ulti and speed myself. Im just trying to tell you guys that cheating is NOT a BIG problem for eso, even though you guys believe everyone are doing it

How is it you know this? I can deduce that it's a big problem because it's easy to do, it's easy to do subtly, the consequences are minor and because of human nature.

An environment that doesn't check cheaters, creates cheaters. If left unchecked for long enough, eventually a significant number of the best players will be cheaters. The scum will rise to the top because they have clear advantages. Look at MLB and other pro sports. Look at human psychology.

The narratives being set by some cliques is at best naive and at worst deceitful.

mchermie · June 2016

@zyk
Ok, then I'm pretty sure youre a cheater too. Because its easy to do subtly, the consequences are minor and because of human nature.
I have no real evidence though

zyk · June 2016

mchermie wrote: »

@zyk
Ok, then I'm pretty sure youre a cheater too. Because its easy to do subtly, the consequences are minor and because of human nature.
I have no real evidence though

I am not advocating singling out individual players out without evidence. I have promoted the opposite. The point is that cheating surely is an issue in ESO.

Oy.

mchermie · June 2016

zyk wrote: »

[I am not advocating singling out individual players out without evidence. I have promoted the opposite. The point is that cheating surely is an issue in ESO.

Oy.

Oh, ok, im glad to hear. Guess we're somewhat on the same page then. Maybe it seemed like I was denying the fact that cheating was an issue, but that was not my intention. I was trying to say that its not really a problem for the general players pvp-experience. Last time I thought/knew I saw a cheater was when Zazeer ulted me to death, and thats a while ago now. We all kill some and die some, and I still havent met anyone who has been dominating me so hard that I thought there might have been something else behind. Therefore, from my experience, claiming that cheating is a big problem for ESO, is just not true.

zyk · June 2016

I have never encountered an environment where cheating did not become widespread when it was easy and without consequence. It eventually becomes culture if allowed to go on unchecked. Even when there are consequences, such as in VAC protected games, the bans never stop because the cheating never stops.

This goes far beyond gaming. It's social science. There is an ugly side of humanity.

The facts are cheating in ESO is easy and the consequences are minor. If done with only a modicum of sense, it can be difficult or impossible to casually detect.

Therefore, I can logically conclude that it happens a lot, even if it isn't always easily observable.

Armitas · June 2016

Roechacca wrote: »

Skitttles wrote: »

Does anyone have any proof the accused were cheating? I have killed these players and they have killed me, not once did anything suggest cheating. Simply outplayed or outnumbered. If you watch there videos or encounter them in cyrodiil just observe them. All you will see is a good understanding of game mechanics and clever use of skills and terrain.

However if someone can point me to a video of these players cheating then I will retract my statement.

Prove to me I can't believe it's butter tastes like butter first. Go on. Find a video that PROOFS it.

What is this 3rd grade crap.

Welcome back.

rfennell_ESO · June 2016

mchermie wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

[I am not advocating singling out individual players out without evidence. I have promoted the opposite. The point is that cheating surely is an issue in ESO.

Oy.

Oh, ok, im glad to hear. Guess we're somewhat on the same page then. Maybe it seemed like I was denying the fact that cheating was an issue, but that was not my intention. I was trying to say that its not really a problem for the general players pvp-experience. Last time I think/knew I saw a cheater was when Zazeer ulted me to death, and thats a while ago now. We all kill some and die some, and I still havent met anyone who has been dominating me so hard that I thought there might have been something else behind. Therefore, from my experience, claiming that cheating is a big problem for ESO, is just not true.

Here is the problem with the line of thinking that it's not a problem... From what I saw of the speed hack and how every single turd running it was they don't stop at speed hacking. They speed up animation time as well (a la sneaky pete) and attack faster.

The difference between a 1 second dizzying swing and a .7 second dizzying swing is quite a lot. Particularly if you are also moving slower than the spammer.

It's actually their entire gameplay... to spam one ability on you while moving faster than you so you can't get away from them as they keep spamming it.

Does that play style sound familiar? e.g. every single DC "small group or 1vX" player.

Is it all of them? Obviously not, but how many are doing this?

P.S. whole lot of biting jabs that run their animation at a blazing clip in game as well... I do play a templar and the eye test of it speaks loudly.

But again, the cries of witch hunts always originate from the coven. You might want to think about that and what exactly I'm implying.

God_flakes · June 2016

Ishammael wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

mchermie wrote: »

Its really sad to watch this witchunt. Just name the players you think are cheating instead of just claiming how big of a problem this apparently is for ESO.
Ive never had an issue with this while in Cyrodiil. It seriously sounds like people are just salty because other players are better than them. AND YES, we all know who has been banned etc etc, but this is not about him/them. You guys are just trying to make the community more toxic than it already is, just because you THINK someone (or everyone? idk) might be cheating

Minno wrote: »

If 4-5 people can inflate their stats, they become godlike. To combat this, more and more players are forced to "zerg". At some point those players either leave or ask for more help.

Like, wth is this Minno. Are you claiming that this happens regularly? Ive never ever seen or heard of someone cheating to be able to do this. Youre making it sound like a common thing to encounter. Another witchhunt, just because some people are able to kill dozens in a small group?

Several were already named and alluded to by @manny254, or did you miss that? His comment has gotten over 30 likes. This isn't a witch hunt. This is a tight knit community of players who all talk and well, secrets can't be kept for long.

Actually, it is almost by definition a witch hunt, where "likes" are interpreted as proof.
Regardless of whether Moji is correct, he still must provide evidence.
Burden of proof is on the accuser.

The net result of this is all over the forums -- players accused, whether correctly or not, of cheating. The PvP community always was a bit harsh. Now it has devolved into utter toxicity. Blame lies mainly with ZoS for not acting quickly, with impunity and impartiality (see Blizzard) while communicating actively with the PvP community. Some blame lies with those who sling accusations and continually insinuate via rhetorical fallacies.

Witness the following fallacy known as "affirming the consequent":

If he cheats, he will be win.
He won.
Therefore, he cheated.

This type of behavior must stop.

EDIT: The un-banning of players who were proved to actually have cheated is ridiculous.

In a criminal trial you rarely get to see the crime being committed. Rarely is there video evidence. Typically, the jury relies on circumstantial evidence. I can assure you many of us, Moji included, have seen PLENTY of circumstantial evidence to support the current shaming going on.

However, I personally don't care who is cheating and why and when. I flat out refuse to let it ruin a game I've put two years into and have made lots of friends in. Some of them true friends. German one pieced me two days before the CE scandal erupted and I laughed and we bantered back and forth about it. Now he won't speak to me because I somehow offended him by asking if he was banned or just suspended. Whatever. It's whatever. He can go ahead and keep doing what he's doing.

But there is benefit to the community getting to the bottom of things within the community, sorting it out and coming to terms with it. If someone is being wrongly accused then they should hold their head high and continue to play the game and have fun. It's just they need to know eyes are on them. If something is fishy-they're gonna be called on it and rightly so. And there is nothing wrong with that. If you're innocent you have nothing to hide and false accusations can't touch you in the end.

Roechacca · June 2016

Armitas wrote: »

Roechacca wrote: »

Skitttles wrote: »

Does anyone have any proof the accused were cheating? I have killed these players and they have killed me, not once did anything suggest cheating. Simply outplayed or outnumbered. If you watch there videos or encounter them in cyrodiil just observe them. All you will see is a good understanding of game mechanics and clever use of skills and terrain.

However if someone can point me to a video of these players cheating then I will retract my statement.

Prove to me I can't believe it's butter tastes like butter first. Go on. Find a video that PROOFS it.

What is this 3rd grade crap.

Welcome back.

Thanks!

RinaldoGandolphi · June 2016

Lyar09 wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

As Mojican has alluded to I find it funny all the folks who cheat all hangout together in the same TS and then have the audacity to come on here and talk all superior.

Fact is, cheaters killed this game for me completely. Long time sub since beta, canceled. Cheating in anything is the absolute worst thing you could ever do to your fellow brothers and sisters.

So congrats! You cheaters have succeeded in driving another honest player from the game, pretty soon you will have no one left to play with except other cheaters.

I have a snowballs chance in Hades that ZOS does anything to these cheats

You have no idea who is in Jules' ts so don't make such idiotic claims. A majority of people in her ts aren't cheaters.

A majority you say?....right...,one of these days you will learn to not say anything, you just flat out admitted that TS had cheaters that hang out in it LOL! They are just not a majority you say lol

Yeah.....

Birds of a feather flock together, where you find one cheater you will find more like minds

OdinForge · June 2016

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

mchermie wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

[I am not advocating singling out individual players out without evidence. I have promoted the opposite. The point is that cheating surely is an issue in ESO.

Oy.

Oh, ok, im glad to hear. Guess we're somewhat on the same page then. Maybe it seemed like I was denying the fact that cheating was an issue, but that was not my intention. I was trying to say that its not really a problem for the general players pvp-experience. Last time I think/knew I saw a cheater was when Zazeer ulted me to death, and thats a while ago now. We all kill some and die some, and I still havent met anyone who has been dominating me so hard that I thought there might have been something else behind. Therefore, from my experience, claiming that cheating is a big problem for ESO, is just not true.

Here is the problem with the line of thinking that it's not a problem... From what I saw of the speed hack and how every single turd running it was they don't stop at speed hacking. They speed up animation time as well (a la sneaky pete) and attack faster.

The difference between a 1 second dizzying swing and a .7 second dizzying swing is quite a lot. Particularly if you are also moving slower than the spammer.

It's actually their entire gameplay... to spam one ability on you while moving faster than you so you can't get away from them as they keep spamming it.

Does that play style sound familiar? e.g. every single DC "small group or 1vX" player.

Is it all of them? Obviously not, but how many are doing this?

P.S. whole lot of biting jabs that run their animation at a blazing clip in game as well... I do play a templar and the eye test of it speaks loudly.

But again, the cries of witch hunts always originate from the coven. You might want to think about that and what exactly I'm implying.

Dude..stop making *** up. CE allows you to do some crazy *** (infinite ultimate), but it doesn't let you use your imagination and do whatever you want. Depending on the game and how the code is, it does have limitations.

There still aren't any videos showing people dodge chancing infinite attacks in a row, because it wasn't possible. No one was changing game code to bypass cool-down time, movement speed works differently than animation time. Look how easily videos of people dumping infinite ultimate started popping up, because it was possible. You're saying that people dodging infinite attacks and insta-casting wrecking blow aren't catching the same attention and being recorded?

CE isn't guaranteed to work with everything you can make up in your mind, that's not how it works. It works best with static numbers, but you're talking about a buff that has to be reapplied to yourself with a skill. You love to just throw ridiculous *** out there, without any facts to back it up. I happen to agree with @mchermie that CE likely wasn't or isn't as bad in PVP as some people assume.

Yes some people used CE to hack the game, float and speed around like sonic dropping meteors. No the guy who beat you up with wrecking blow wasn't casting faster than you, because your reaction time is slower.

Lyar09 · June 2016

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

As Mojican has alluded to I find it funny all the folks who cheat all hangout together in the same TS and then have the audacity to come on here and talk all superior.

Fact is, cheaters killed this game for me completely. Long time sub since beta, canceled. Cheating in anything is the absolute worst thing you could ever do to your fellow brothers and sisters.

So congrats! You cheaters have succeeded in driving another honest player from the game, pretty soon you will have no one left to play with except other cheaters.

I have a snowballs chance in Hades that ZOS does anything to these cheats

You have no idea who is in Jules' ts so don't make such idiotic claims. A majority of people in her ts aren't cheaters.

A majority you say?....right...,one of these days you will learn to not say anything, you just flat out admitted that TS had cheaters that hang out in it LOL! They are just not a majority you say lol

Yeah.....

Birds of a feather flock together, where you find one cheater you will find more like minds

I know what I said. Yes, there are people who come in the ts that have been banned for cheating. But you making accusations that we all cheat is ridiculous.

Your analogies are nothing but a poor attempt at humor. You should stick to whatever your day job is and possibly act a little more mature.

RinaldoGandolphi · June 2016

Lyar09 wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

As Mojican has alluded to I find it funny all the folks who cheat all hangout together in the same TS and then have the audacity to come on here and talk all superior.

Fact is, cheaters killed this game for me completely. Long time sub since beta, canceled. Cheating in anything is the absolute worst thing you could ever do to your fellow brothers and sisters.

So congrats! You cheaters have succeeded in driving another honest player from the game, pretty soon you will have no one left to play with except other cheaters.

I have a snowballs chance in Hades that ZOS does anything to these cheats

You have no idea who is in Jules' ts so don't make such idiotic claims. A majority of people in her ts aren't cheaters.

A majority you say?....right...,one of these days you will learn to not say anything, you just flat out admitted that TS had cheaters that hang out in it LOL! They are just not a majority you say lol

Yeah.....

Birds of a feather flock together, where you find one cheater you will find more like minds

I know what I said. Yes, there are people who come in the ts that have been banned for cheating. But you making accusations that we all cheat is ridiculous.

Your analogies are nothing but a poor attempt at humor. You should stick to whatever your day job is and possibly act a little more mature.

Yup, exaptly what I thought you would say.

No guilds or groups worth having in the game associate in anyway with cheaters. Every guild in the game worth its salt wants nothing to do with these people and have adopted guild policies barring them from their guilds and TS. The fact you still associate with such people tells me everything I need to know, the fact you of all people are defending them is pretty sad...it's an indefensible position. You don't want to be labeled as a cheater? Then stop hanging out with people who cheat or hack.

No other credible guilds or people want anything to do with these people, you would be wise to do the same. Lest you be bundled right in with the lot of them, your choice not mine or anyone else's...nothing good can come from hanging around these people.

Good luck....probably gonna need it

rfennell_ESO · June 2016

OdinForge wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

mchermie wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

[I am not advocating singling out individual players out without evidence. I have promoted the opposite. The point is that cheating surely is an issue in ESO.

Oy.

Oh, ok, im glad to hear. Guess we're somewhat on the same page then. Maybe it seemed like I was denying the fact that cheating was an issue, but that was not my intention. I was trying to say that its not really a problem for the general players pvp-experience. Last time I think/knew I saw a cheater was when Zazeer ulted me to death, and thats a while ago now. We all kill some and die some, and I still havent met anyone who has been dominating me so hard that I thought there might have been something else behind. Therefore, from my experience, claiming that cheating is a big problem for ESO, is just not true.

Here is the problem with the line of thinking that it's not a problem... From what I saw of the speed hack and how every single turd running it was they don't stop at speed hacking. They speed up animation time as well (a la sneaky pete) and attack faster.

The difference between a 1 second dizzying swing and a .7 second dizzying swing is quite a lot. Particularly if you are also moving slower than the spammer.

It's actually their entire gameplay... to spam one ability on you while moving faster than you so you can't get away from them as they keep spamming it.

Does that play style sound familiar? e.g. every single DC "small group or 1vX" player.

Is it all of them? Obviously not, but how many are doing this?

P.S. whole lot of biting jabs that run their animation at a blazing clip in game as well... I do play a templar and the eye test of it speaks loudly.

But again, the cries of witch hunts always originate from the coven. You might want to think about that and what exactly I'm implying.

Dude..stop making *** up. CE allows you to do some crazy *** (infinite ultimate), but it doesn't let you use your imagination and do whatever you want. Depending on the game and how the code is, it does have limitations.

There still aren't any videos showing people dodge chancing infinite attacks in a row, because it wasn't possible. No one was changing game code to bypass cool-down time, movement speed works differently than animation time. Look how easily videos of people dumping infinite ultimate started popping up, because it was possible. You're saying that people dodging infinite attacks and insta-casting wrecking blow aren't catching the same attention and being recorded?

CE isn't guaranteed to work with everything you can make up in your mind, that's not how it works. It works best with static numbers, but you're talking about a buff that has to be reapplied to yourself with a skill. You love to just throw ridiculous *** out there, without any facts to back it up. I happen to agree with @mchermie that CE likely wasn't or isn't as bad in PVP as some people assume.

Yes some people used CE to hack the game, float and speed around like sonic dropping meteors. No the guy who beat you up with wrecking blow wasn't casting faster than you, because your reaction time is slower.

Sneaky Pete has a video of what I described up....

It not only speeds your animations and movement speed, it speeds up the creatures around you too.

Let's just say I recall a time where a certain BBQ dude would spam wrecking blows on your so fast you literally couldn't get away from him. You will say "Dude stop making stuff up"... lolz.

PS AlVxxxx is still in game dodging stuff for 20 seconds straight.

rfennell_ESO · June 2016

Lyar09 wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

As Mojican has alluded to I find it funny all the folks who cheat all hangout together in the same TS and then have the audacity to come on here and talk all superior.

Fact is, cheaters killed this game for me completely. Long time sub since beta, canceled. Cheating in anything is the absolute worst thing you could ever do to your fellow brothers and sisters.

So congrats! You cheaters have succeeded in driving another honest player from the game, pretty soon you will have no one left to play with except other cheaters.

I have a snowballs chance in Hades that ZOS does anything to these cheats

You have no idea who is in Jules' ts so don't make such idiotic claims. A majority of people in her ts aren't cheaters.

A majority you say?....right...,one of these days you will learn to not say anything, you just flat out admitted that TS had cheaters that hang out in it LOL! They are just not a majority you say lol

Yeah.....

Birds of a feather flock together, where you find one cheater you will find more like minds

I know what I said. Yes, there are people who come in the ts that have been banned for cheating. But you making accusations that we all cheat is ridiculous.

Your analogies are nothing but a poor attempt at humor. You should stick to whatever your day job is and possibly act a little more mature.

I don't know or care who comes in your TS.

But to sit there trying to say that a connection to them doesn't explain your fervent defense is bewildering.

God_flakes · June 2016

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

As Mojican has alluded to I find it funny all the folks who cheat all hangout together in the same TS and then have the audacity to come on here and talk all superior.

Fact is, cheaters killed this game for me completely. Long time sub since beta, canceled. Cheating in anything is the absolute worst thing you could ever do to your fellow brothers and sisters.

So congrats! You cheaters have succeeded in driving another honest player from the game, pretty soon you will have no one left to play with except other cheaters.

I have a snowballs chance in Hades that ZOS does anything to these cheats

You have no idea who is in Jules' ts so don't make such idiotic claims. A majority of people in her ts aren't cheaters.

A majority you say?....right...,one of these days you will learn to not say anything, you just flat out admitted that TS had cheaters that hang out in it LOL! They are just not a majority you say lol

Yeah.....

Birds of a feather flock together, where you find one cheater you will find more like minds

Are a minority cheating, then? What a politically correct ts! The minority have the red carpet rolled out to them to do as they please!

zyk · June 2016

OdinForge wrote: »

There still aren't any videos showing people dodge chancing infinite attacks in a row, because it wasn't possible. No one was changing game code to bypass cool-down time, movement speed works differently than animation time. Look how easily videos of people dumping infinite ultimate started popping up, because it was possible. You're saying that people dodging infinite attacks and insta-casting wrecking blow aren't catching the same attention and being recorded?

That's not necessarily true. My understanding is that Cheat Engine is a general tool that is useless without memory addresses. Not all memory addresses are known to all users of CE. So no one knows the extent to which ESO may be exploited in this way.

It seems that this controversy erupted when what had been exclusive information became more widely known and we were all able to, finally, see irrefutable proof that these things were possible. However, that does not mean that only these things are possible.

I have not experimented with CE, so I cannot say for certain what is or is not possible. It has been suggested by those who have that increasing movement speed also reduces the GCD. Do you *know* that this is untrue? If so, how?

In regards to dodge chance, I think it's possible CE is to blame for the anomalous dodge chance many experienced and respected players have encountered. That there is no clear video evidence of someone blatantly abusing it does not mean it is not possible. It could also mean that particular knowledge is not widespread.

There is no way to know whether someone is cheating subtly or not. Just as it is wrong to assume every effective player is cheating, it is also inconsistent with human nature to assume cheating is not widespread when it is both easy and without consequence.

Unfortunately, the cold hard truth is that every great performance in PVP has to be taken with a grain of salt because this game presently has no security. It's still a good game to have fun with, but no accomplishment will have value until some semblance of integrity is achieved.