JJBoomer, stop re-posting please.

double post.

It kind of defeats the purpose, don't you think? You buy the Craft Bag and still refuse to sub? I'd say that, ZoS, are apparently doing the right thing because look how many people are complaining about it. Last I checked that called a bargaining chip, a strategy and marketing angle. And besides, I like getting something cool and exclusive for being a subscriber.

clocksstoppe wrote: »

OP, the interesting thing you will notice is that there has not been a single comment from any ZOS employee on this matter and there never will be. The reason: they are ashamed of this greedy cash grab forced onto them by management. Anyone with half a brain knows it's a big issue for people who purchased DLC and that it's wrong to not offer them the option to buy the bag.

The problem is, of course, that subs find comfort from the fact that they are being extorted for this crafting bag by laughing at people in your situation. It's quite sad how selfish, greedy, and shallow most subs are. You will never get their support on this matter.

On the other hand the same criticism could be leveled at those who don't want to pay a fixed monthly subscription but expect to get the same benefits as those who do ! People aren't being selfish, greedy or shallow, they are simply saying "look, subscriptions are open to all, if you want the benefits of a subscription then subscribe".

As it happens, whenever these threads have come up I've seen a lot of subscribers saying that they expect some form of crafting bag will be made available to non-subscribers in due course and that they have no issue with that. I've also seen a lot of non-subscribers saying they have no problem with the present crafting bags being available only to subscribers.

This isn't like the million dollar lottery where a lot of players were ineligible to take part because of national legal restrictions, every single player is eligible for a subscription and the benefits that go with it.

As for ZOS, I see no particular reason why they should contribute to the discussion, the system is working as intended and the crafting bag has generally gone down well with those who were intended to receive it in line with the announcements made all along. No-one has been cheated or misled. Doubtless they are biding their time and when they feel it is right they will announce their plans for some form of crafting bag to be made available for non-subscribers.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

To be honest,

The crafting bags ...are a base game patch feature just like poisons, champion system, name plates, etc according to ZOS so these should be in game gold.

If the crown store wants to add opportunities that is fine.

If the ESO Plus wants to further extent the slots to some astronomical number, fine but there should be a basic 20 - `00 slot option or buy in game to access and then upgrade just like the bank because its an inventory feature and not any actual items.

Even ZOS writes it as a base game patch but then decides to lock that one feature behind a subscription even tho they write that all base game patch features would always not require a sub.

SMH

That is simple why it is a base game feature - if you have acquired that bag by subscription and unsubscribe, you will still have access to the bag, you can just not put anything into it any longer - it has limited functionality when unsubscribed.

@Lysette
Here is the problem ....it is a base game feature "locked behind" a subscription requirement. It goes against everything ZOS announced about Tamriel Unlimited for base game updates.

The first word in your comment "if" followed by "subscriptions" between the word "lock"

That's the problem....it's either a base game feature or not.

According to ZOS in their ESO live and in the info on Tamriel Unlimited "base game patches" are included without the need to sub. This is not the case for this one feature amongst all others as described by ZOS.

yes, the feature is included, that this bag is not ceasing to be, if you unsub, so it has to be part of the base game - but the bag itself is not obtainable without a subscription.

@Lysette
Actually no, the feature is not included. That's the whole point.
It's literally excluded to non subscribers....but only that one not the others.

It's never accessible until you subscribe.

So by default ZOS has decided to go back on the once confirmed statement that all base game update patches will not require a sub.

Don't twist words. The game patch does not require a sub. To gain access to the Craft Bag feature requires a sub. The Craft Bag is not a patch. It's a "thank you", an offer, or a reward to subscribers. It's not a patch for subscribers. Otherwise we would be the only ones getting the patch. The CB is part of the patch ... It just won't unlock (for you) until you sub. Think of it as a lawyer's loop-hole.

People really need to stop asking for equal treatment, when they themselves have not offered equal effort/action to warrant an equal reaction.

No one is able to purchase the craftig bag even people that are subscribed are still basiclly just renting it. you can rent it for a month and cancel you sub right after subbing. Its the same for everybody.

@senhavran

Sorry mate the whole " I bought a console cause I can't afford a pc" argument is complete nonsense. From a business point of view you pay more than x3 the price in:

Games are more than double the price Pay to play online

Thus in the short term it might seem like the budget option but after a VERY short time it becomes the expensive choice, thus your argument is pretty invalid.

Sorry to say. So you can't use the "I have a console and already subscribe to PS+ or Xbox Live" Those features have nothing to do with ESO or Zenimax, they are console related. You were aware of your platform's payment requirement in order to play online on the day of purchase and you still made the decision.

Why do you think consoles are cheaper than PC's ? Because like most printers they don't make the money on the actual hardware they make it from you in the long haul.

Console games are more expensive & you have to sub to play online
Toner is more expensive so in the long haul you pay the machine off that way.

Business 101 mate.

Some people like me do the math way into the future, some people just see a price tag on the shelf for then and now.

@Duiwel

Maybe. But some people buy their car cash one time, it's a lot but paying a little money every months is better for some who can't give a lot of money in one time even if in the end they gave way more than those who bought the car in one payment. But that's not the point here. I was just explaining why I chose to sub (to get the crafting bags) and how I made my mind. That's not very easy for me as English is not my native language.

Besides, if you read all my comment, it's not just about money, I am a console player because I like it more than on PC for different reasons. Not here to feed a PC VS Console discussion, this thread is about crafting bags.

Mureel wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

JJBoomer wrote: »

DarkWombat wrote: »

Please hear me out. I understand that half of you will disagree with me on the spot, because you are subscribers.

But a lot of us have chosen to not subscribe, and have purchased the expansions. I would say for sure the community is split between people who subscribe and the ones that "purchase" the content.

I feel for that the crafting bags need to be a Crown Store purchase, just like the expansions.

Why? it's simple. What kind of message are you sending to those that purchased all the content? You are telling them they have to subscribe to get this. And if they subscribe, there would have been no point in purchasing anything previous because you get that with the subscription.

I really hope soon that crafting bags are added to the crown store.

While I don't feel my "Buy to play" money is any less valuable than a sub's money (which it isn't), I don't really agree, there has to be some incentive to sub, the craft bag just happens to be that incentive. And I'm fine with that. I paid for all my content up front, which was more economically feasible to me as I can't guarantee I will always be able to pay a sub and I don't want to ever lose access to my content. Which you do if you stop paying for your sub, and that is no bueno with me. I like to """own""" what I pay for. Plus, I like to choose how and when I spend my money, not some third party.

That being said, I DO feel they should lower the crown cost of inventory extender items. Not the in game gold cost, just the crown store ones. I feel 1000 crowns for only 10 spaces is ridiculously over priced. I think 500 crowns for bag extensions would be much more fair for how many slots you get. I would honestly buy more crowns (thus giving them more money) if I got more for my crown.

Thing is, ZOS NEEDS people who pay regularly as much as they need people who pay when they can. But for people to pay regularly, they need an incentive. The craft bag is that, and I think that is wholly fair.

Besides if you learn to manage and consolidate your inventory as well as using a mule or two, you don't even need the craft bag at all.

Uh, they already HAD an "incentive to sub" way back in 2014 when ESO could ONLY be played by subscription.... remember? Then they switched to a B2P + DLC model and spent a lot of marketing dollars convincing us that "Tamriel Unlimited" was the future of ESO.

Going back to a subscription-only model NOW is a slap in the face to everyone who has purchased DLC, well into the hundreds of dollars worth in my case!

No because ALL the DLC together costs 9500 crowns. That does not 100s of dollars make. Some of us on the other hand have actually spent hundreds of dollars. On our subs.

Also, you can rent a bag or not rent a bag. Your choice.

LOL, WHAT? Just the Dwemer motif alone cost me something like 5000 crowns! Get your facts straight. And I was subbing since the game launched in 2014, so I seriously doubt you've spent more than I have.

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

JJBoomer wrote: »

DarkWombat wrote: »

Please hear me out. I understand that half of you will disagree with me on the spot, because you are subscribers.

But a lot of us have chosen to not subscribe, and have purchased the expansions. I would say for sure the community is split between people who subscribe and the ones that "purchase" the content.

I feel for that the crafting bags need to be a Crown Store purchase, just like the expansions.

Why? it's simple. What kind of message are you sending to those that purchased all the content? You are telling them they have to subscribe to get this. And if they subscribe, there would have been no point in purchasing anything previous because you get that with the subscription.

I really hope soon that crafting bags are added to the crown store.

While I don't feel my "Buy to play" money is any less valuable than a sub's money (which it isn't), I don't really agree, there has to be some incentive to sub, the craft bag just happens to be that incentive. And I'm fine with that. I paid for all my content up front, which was more economically feasible to me as I can't guarantee I will always be able to pay a sub and I don't want to ever lose access to my content. Which you do if you stop paying for your sub, and that is no bueno with me. I like to """own""" what I pay for. Plus, I like to choose how and when I spend my money, not some third party.

That being said, I DO feel they should lower the crown cost of inventory extender items. Not the in game gold cost, just the crown store ones. I feel 1000 crowns for only 10 spaces is ridiculously over priced. I think 500 crowns for bag extensions would be much more fair for how many slots you get. I would honestly buy more crowns (thus giving them more money) if I got more for my crown.

Thing is, ZOS NEEDS people who pay regularly as much as they need people who pay when they can. But for people to pay regularly, they need an incentive. The craft bag is that, and I think that is wholly fair.

Besides if you learn to manage and consolidate your inventory as well as using a mule or two, you don't even need the craft bag at all.

Uh, they already HAD an "incentive to sub" way back in 2014 when ESO could ONLY be played by subscription.... remember? Then they switched to a B2P + DLC model and spent a lot of marketing dollars convincing us that "Tamriel Unlimited" was the future of ESO.

Going back to a subscription-only model NOW is a slap in the face to everyone who has purchased DLC, well into the hundreds of dollars worth in my case!

No because ALL the DLC together costs 9500 crowns. That does not 100s of dollars make. Some of us on the other hand have actually spent hundreds of dollars. On our subs.

Also, you can rent a bag or not rent a bag. Your choice.

LOL, WHAT? Just the Dwemer motif alone cost me something like 5000 crowns! Get your facts straight. And I was subbing since the game launched in 2014, so I seriously doubt you've spent more than I have.

That motif has nothing to do with DLC areas. Subs could buy it too. All the DLC for all areas is indeed what they said it costs. If you bought the special editions of DLC to get mounts, pets, etc, you could have bought those in the store just like the subs too. So yes, the total DLC cost would be 9500 crowns. If they ever sell the bag, I'll use crowns to buy it and all DLC areas, then cancel sub. It's far cheaper so ZOS knows they need a draw for subs.

Tandor wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Defilted wrote: »

ESO wants you to subscribe. They are offering something to make you question whether you should or should not sub. I would say they are on the right path.

If ESO wanted me to subscribe every month, they NEVER should have released "Tamriel Unlimited". You may not have been playing long enough to remember this, but originally ESO could be played ONLY by subscribing!

I was happy paying a subscription fee, and so were a lot of other people, but then we got conned into purchasing DLC instead. Now ZOS is reneging on the DLC concept and attempting to double dip players' wallets with the crafting bag. I, for one, will NEVER allow my wallet to be double dipped!

Until ZOS makes the crafting bag purchasable as a DLC, I simply refuse to support it.

So was I, and guess what? I'm still happily paying a subscription and for me nothing has changed. If you stopped subscribing then of course the game changed with TU, but otherwise it's just the same. No-one conned you into buying DLCs or anything else, you had the option of staying as you were. There's absolutely nothing in the Crown Store that subscribers must buy, and if there's something they want to buy they get 1500 crowns per month with which to do so. The only real difference to subscribers post-TU is that if they stop subscribing for any reason they still get to play the base game whereas pre-TU they would only have made it as far as the login screen.

That's great for you, but there was no information available when TU launched that indicated your choice was the correct one... you just got lucky. If I had KNOWN they were going to try to double dip on crap like this, I would have simply continued subbing like you did. To go back to subbing NOW, however, would turn me into a chump, because I've ALREADY PAID for the whole game via DLC. I am not a chump, and I refuse to be strong-armed back into a subscription unless ZOS refunds every single DLC purchase I have ever made!