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I feel not offering crafting bags "for purchase" is disingenuous
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AmberLaTerra✭✭✭✭Tarante11a wrote: »AmberLaTerra wrote: »It is what us subs get for our sub, we needed a decent perk. Those 10% boosts are nothing in the big picture.
Trying to argue that "I spend money on DLC so should get the same perks as those who sub." is like trying to argue that because you bought a hat and jersey for your favorite sports team you should be given free front row seats to all the home games and not have to buy season tickets.
You want the seats buy the season ticket, you want the bag buy the sub end of story.
I don't think people are asking for it as a 'perk' - they just want to buy the damn thing. What's the problem?
The problem is it once again would gut there being any reason to sub, the 10% boosts are nothing, and it is cheaper to buy the DLC as one wants it then to sub. If the craft bag was in the crown shop there would be zero real reason to sub other then wanting to pay to help develop the game and that only goes so far.
The crown shop is not a reliable way for the game to gain income like subs are, there is no way to predict if someone buys crowns one month the next time they will or if they even ever will again at all. Subs are a stable income in that it can be predicted for the most part over time how many will cancle each month vs how many new subs will be made.
You remove the reason for people to sub you take away a large part of the stability of the games economics for ZOS and hurt what can be allocated to development and to fixing bugs.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
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RandalMarrs✭✭✭Offering it in the crown store as a one time expense would devalue it as a subscription bonus. And it is not content, so that does not apply as a valid reason why it is unfair to not offer in the crown store. Seriously though, hasn't enough been said?0
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Wolfshead✭✭✭✭DarkWombat wrote: »Please hear me out. I understand that half of you will disagree with me on the spot, because you are subscribers.
But a lot of us have chosen to not subscribe, and have purchased the expansions. I would say for sure the community is split between people who subscribe and the ones that "purchase" the content.
I feel for that the crafting bags need to be a Crown Store purchase, just like the expansions.
Why? it's simple. What kind of message are you sending to those that purchased all the content? You are telling them they have to subscribe to get this. And if they subscribe, there would have been no point in purchasing anything previous because you get that with the subscription.
I really hope soon that crafting bags are added to the crown store.
As i have post in other therad about this carftbag and i will say again.
As subscribers player which i have been since this game went live and still are one i think it is more then right that just subscribers player only get this carftbag why it is very very simple as plus member the benefit berfore carftbag was/are very very laughable for those benefit in long run is not worth the paper the was wrote on for as plus member you should have more and better benefit as one that do not subscribers.
Sure you can argue that none subscribers spend more money in crown store but in fact i would say the plus member do spend same amount of money if not more for in my case i pay about $61,02 extra very 6 month why for i think it is worth and i show by support ZoS by pay litte extra by being a plus member and therefore plus member should get some extra sugar coating and honest i hope that ZoS well add more benefit to plus member so more people become plus member.If you find yourself alone, riding in green fields with the sun on your face, do not be troubled; for you are in Elysium, and you're already deadWhat we do in life, echoes in eternity0 -
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✭Callous2208 wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »@Blackbird71 , it is because people know that the crafting bag is an extreme advantage and want to be on the winning side of the game rather than the side that deals with hours of inventory micro-management. Who wouldn't want potential opponents to be at a disadvantage?
What do I win for having a more organized inventory than someone else? What do I do with all this free time while the non-sub hoarders micro manager their inventories?
you win hours of your life - read a book.
Any suggestions? I need some good summer reading material.
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Yeah, read DIRT. It's the "autobiography" of Motley Crue. If you're young, it was a hair band in the 80's. Doesn't matter if you like the band; that whole music scene was absolutely insane, so the book reads like movie.
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✭✭✭DarkWombat wrote: »Who subs JUST FOR CRAFTING BAGS???
Also I feel like buying the dlc to go economy style gets you economy style stuff.
The sub rents your crafting bag and gives some other small perks. 10% extra XP is useless to many, a little extra gold? I have always over a million gold and usually more.
No sub is just no bag.
Like dropbox, after your free space you have to pay monthly to use it. If it's full you can take out but not put in unless you pay a sub.Edited by Mureel on June 15, 2016 5:29AM0 -
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Don't worry I'm sure the cheat engine can set your account to have infinite inventory space anyway, not like you'd get in any trouble for using it.0 -
Digiman✭✭✭✭✭I am a subscriber and I agree that its just too shady for them to add this feature and not make it purchasable as a way to incentivize subscribing for a clearly broken system.
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SublimeSparo✭✭✭✭✭Considering 10 bag slots are worth 1k crowns.... how much do you think is a fair price for a bag with infinite slots? If you can come up with a number that dosent make subscription look like a joke.... Suggest it to ZOS and they might listen.
Well approximating the craft bag to 4billion slots;
4,000,000,000 / 10 = 400,000,000
400,000,000*1,000 =400,000,000,000 crowns
But i guess we could round it down as part of the offer to, i dunno, 4 million crowns.
Bargain.
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✭SublimeSparo wrote: »Considering 10 bag slots are worth 1k crowns.... how much do you think is a fair price for a bag with infinite slots? If you can come up with a number that dosent make subscription look like a joke.... Suggest it to ZOS and they might listen.
Well approximating the craft bag to 4billion slots;
4,000,000,000 / 10 = 400,000,000
400,000,000*1,000 =400,000,000,000 crowns
But i guess we could round it down as part of the offer to, i dunno, 4 million crowns.
Bargain.
Some ZOS director somewhere out there, is reading this and drooling all over his table....(2)V16 Dk- stam dps/stam tank/mag dps
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I usually mostly agree with you but it's starting to sound a little unhinged, all this harping on where the text about it was placed. Where else should they have put it?NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »To be honest,
The crafting bags ...are a base game patch feature just like poisons, champion system, name plates, etc according to ZOS so these should be in game gold.
If the crown store wants to add opportunities that is fine.
If the ESO Plus wants to further extent the slots to some astronomical number, fine but there should be a basic 20 - `00 slot option or buy in game to access and then upgrade just like the bank because its an inventory feature and not any actual items.
Even ZOS writes it as a base game patch but then decides to lock that one feature behind a subscription even tho they write that all base game patch features would always not require a sub.
SMH
That is simple why it is a base game feature - if you have acquired that bag by subscription and unsubscribe, you will still have access to the bag, you can just not put anything into it any longer - it has limited functionality when unsubscribed.
@Lysette
Here is the problem ....it is a base game feature "locked behind" a subscription requirement. It goes against everything ZOS announced about Tamriel Unlimited for base game updates.
The first word in your comment "if" followed by "subscriptions" between the word "lock"
That's the problem....it's either a base game feature or not.
According to ZOS in their ESO live and in the info on Tamriel Unlimited "base game patches" are included without the need to sub. This is not the case for this one feature amongst all others as described by ZOS.
yes, the feature is included, that this bag is not ceasing to be, if you unsub, so it has to be part of the base game - but the bag itself is not obtainable without a subscription.
@Lysette
Actually no, the feature is not included. That's the whole point.
It's literally excluded to non subscribers....but only that one not the others.
It's never accessible until you subscribe.
So by default ZOS has decided to go back on the once confirmed statement that all base game update patches will not require a sub.
I have seen you write this I don't know how many times and it makes still zero sense no matter how many times you write it.
You're literally trying to find some loophole to take a paid service for free.
Well I have news for you.
ZOS also promised all of us that there would never even be buy to play and that it would always be subscription based. I wish it had stayed that way.
Finally, if you try to be cheap or economical then that's what you get. Most people bought the dlc because 'I'm not paying a sub for that ROFL' well that was their choice and now so is this.
Just sub and get the bag or don't.3 -
lDcoyl✭✭Im a subscriber and I feel crafting bags should be an option in game. Crafting bags could be bought with in-game gold or earnt through crafting challenges etc. I love that I got it through no effort whatsoever, but I dont think its fair.
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✭✭✭Im a subscriber and I feel crafting bags should be an option in game. Crafting bags could be bought with in-game gold or earnt through crafting challenges etc. I love that I got it through no effort whatsoever, but I dont think its fair.
From a strictly business point of view; jolly good play....
How is it not fair? I did have an effort, I pay for it every month :-)
It's a perk for people who sub. Simple really.
It's all the banging on and on about it making it complicated.
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✭Im a subscriber and I feel crafting bags should be an option in game. Crafting bags could be bought with in-game gold or earnt through crafting challenges etc. I love that I got it through no effort whatsoever, but I dont think its fair.
From a strictly business point of view; jolly good play....
How is it not fair? I did have an effort, I pay for it every month :-)
It's a perk for people who sub. Simple really.
It's all the banging on and on about it making it complicated.
Exactly. I work an hour of OT a week extra considering im paid around 20 bucks an hour to pay for ESO sub. That IS effort. That's me working 1 hour extra a week to pay for ESO.(2)V16 Dk- stam dps/stam tank/mag dps
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✭ESO wants you to subscribe. They are offering something to make you question whether you should or should not sub. I would say they are on the right path.
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Titansteele✭✭✭✭✭At what point will these threads just be auto closed?
ZOS needs some moderators that are actually involved and have the power to say the following so that these horses can stay dead and buried where they should be.
Where we understand the point you are making we feel that the decision to make the crafting bags an ESO+ incentive was the correct one. Many of you asked us to make the subscription model more worthwhile. We listened to the feedback and could not have agreed more. The crafting bags were designed for that purpose and we feel that we hit the mark with this one and the majority of feedback we have received has confirmed that for us.
There are no plans to change the fact that crafting bags are tied to ESO+ membership.
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ContraTempo✭✭✭✭Can I vote NO somewhere?Personofsecrets wrote: »Police Departments are a business, but should they be writing more speeding tickets? Well of course, because they want to make money don't they? Shouldn't we just go along with that?
Police departments (and fire and other public safety departments) are inherently governmental functions. In places where they act like businesses things go badly wrong. The more they act like a business, the worse the situation. The point of government is to handle those things that specifically need to have a profit motive removed.
But perhaps we are drifting a wee bit off topic...ContraTempo
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Jimbullbee85✭✭✭✭Tbh if ZOS did this much sooner there wouldnt be a debate. Just lots of subs. I still think they need to provide more incentives to sub. How about crossing over mount training for all chars/ monthly discounts/loyalty rewards? The crafting bag is awesome and is a massive benefit to subs but I agree that its still not a good enough incentive for a non sub (who has already paid for 3 dlcs) to justify signing up. Maybe returning a portion of the crowns already spent on DLC content would do. Especially seeing that the crafting bag is designed not only to attract subs but also to retain them. If you cancel sub you lose the bag.Jimbullbee, Templar healer battlemage4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Jimbullbee85 wrote: »Tbh if ZOS did this much sooner there wouldnt be a debate. Just lots of subs. I still think they need to provide more incentives to sub. How about crossing over mount training for all chars/ monthly discounts/loyalty rewards? The crafting bag is awesome and is a massive benefit to subs but I agree that its still not a good enough incentive for a non sub (who has already paid for 3 dlcs) to justify signing up. Maybe returning a portion of the crowns already spent on DLC content would do. Especially seeing that the crafting bag is designed not only to attract subs but also to retain them. If you cancel sub you lose the bag.
That is not how it works - if you unsub, you do not loose the bag nor it's contents, you can just no longer do something into it.0 -
DDemon✭✭✭✭SublimeSparo wrote: »Considering 10 bag slots are worth 1k crowns.... how much do you think is a fair price for a bag with infinite slots? If you can come up with a number that dosent make subscription look like a joke.... Suggest it to ZOS and they might listen.
Well approximating the craft bag to 4billion slots;
4,000,000,000 / 10 = 400,000,000
400,000,000*1,000 =400,000,000,000 crowns
But i guess we could round it down as part of the offer to, i dunno, 4 million crowns.
Bargain.
Actually, they have stated it's 4 billion per _item_, so you would need to multiply that by the number of items you could store in the crafting bag.
But joking aside, I don't think offering a smaller subscription payable with crowns just for the crafting bag would hurt too much. If not, what is the purpose of buying all the DLC's some people have been doing? As some people have mentioned, the only reason they are ESO+ subscribers is for the crafting bag. And yes, I feel it is worth paying the monthly subscription just for the bag.
However, Zenimax could throw the people not subscribing but still buying all the DLC's a bone.Edited by DDemon on June 15, 2016 10:27AM2 -
Xundiin✭✭✭✭SublimeSparo wrote: »Considering 10 bag slots are worth 1k crowns.... how much do you think is a fair price for a bag with infinite slots? If you can come up with a number that dosent make subscription look like a joke.... Suggest it to ZOS and they might listen.
Well approximating the craft bag to 4billion slots;
4,000,000,000 / 10 = 400,000,000
400,000,000*1,000 =400,000,000,000 crowns
But i guess we could round it down as part of the offer to, i dunno, 4 million crowns.
Bargain.
Some ZOS director somewhere out there, is reading this and drooling all over his table....
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✭✭✭✭RandalMarrs wrote: »I heard you out as I did every other post about this. It is worth it to sub if you like to hoard stuff. Otherwise it is not necessary.
Yup, I hoard stuff.
Got crafting bag. Freed up lots of slots
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✭✭✭SublimeSparo wrote: »Considering 10 bag slots are worth 1k crowns.... how much do you think is a fair price for a bag with infinite slots? If you can come up with a number that dosent make subscription look like a joke.... Suggest it to ZOS and they might listen.
Well approximating the craft bag to 4billion slots;
4,000,000,000 / 10 = 400,000,000
400,000,000*1,000 =400,000,000,000 crowns
But i guess we could round it down as part of the offer to, i dunno, 4 million crowns.
Bargain.
Actually, they have stated it's 4 billion per _item_, so you would need to multiply that by the number of items you could store in the crafting bag.
But joking aside, I don't think offering a smaller subscription payable with crowns just for the crafting bag would hurt too much. If not, what is the purpose of buying all the DLC's some people have been doing? As some people have mentioned, the only reason they are ESO+ subscribers is for the crafting bag. And yes, I feel it is worth paying the monthly subscription just for the bag.
However, Zenimax could throw the people not subscribing but still buying all the DLC's a bone.
I think if they have to RENT the bag for 1500 crowns a month, that would be perfectly fair xD0 -
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Neirymn✭✭✭✭As a PS4 player who likes to play on console and doesn't have the money to buy a good computer to play at max settings and doesn't even want to waste that money in a machine that may not run every game without having to upgrade it or having to waste my time dealing with conflicts or some other issues computers can have while running a video game, I had to subscribe to Playstation Plus to just actually play ESO. That's why I didn't subscribed to ESO+ back then.
FINAL FANTASY XIV is a cross platform pay to play model that doesn't require PS+ in order to be playable, you pay one sub, not 2. I would have subbed to ESO from day one if it didn't go buy to play and I would have played ESO from the beta too if I had the PC to run it. I'm a big fan of the Elder Scrolls games since Morrowind and I was very excited when they announced an online title.
My point is, I love ESO and I want to support the game but I don't have a lot of money to spend in it. The ESO+ perks wasn't enough for me to pay 2 subscriptions just to play one game. Besides, on PS4 you can only sub to ESO+ for one month and doesn't get a discount at all because you can't sub for 90 or 180 days like on PC (That something ZOS should add for console players by the way... Might get some folks like me to sub if there is a discount because we already have to give Sony or Microsoft money every months in order to play.).
And now, I'm subbing to PS+ AND ESO+, crafting bags worth it for me, even with my low budget but I had to make choices and stop paying for some extras. I love ESO, I want to support the game and get all the perks from now on, I'm kinda investing on it so I want to feel it's worth it, crafting bags make me feel that way. Hence, I don't really want to see this perk purchasable in the Crown Store, subscribers should be rewarded or having a monthly fee is just nonsense.
The life of subscribers is just made easier and that's fair to me. They lvl faster than non-subscribers who have to spend a little more time getting exp, the same goes with crafting, gold and now they can manage their inventory faster too, non-subscribers can still buy more rooms for their mats in the crow store in the form of additionnal characters slots but they will spend more time sorting their mats, like they spend more time getting exp or gold, that's all.
But I'm not against the crafting bags being avalable for everyone as long as it is severely limited for non-subscribers because I know how time consumming and boring it is to deal with the inventory issue. The crafting bags working like the bank is for non-subscribers, with stacks of 200 and 240 slots or something like that should do the trick for me, it's still more space. It's just my point of view.1
