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Leaping into Keeps AGAIN?!!!!

Earthewen
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Dear ZoS, tonight in TF, we observed some AD Templars leaping into unflagged keeps again. Would you please fix this problem? Do whatever it takes.

Thanks so much!!
  • Xexpo
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    Again?
    When did it stop?
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  • Daveheart
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    Templars? What skill?
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  • NBrookus
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    Earthewen wrote: »
    Dear ZoS, tonight in TF, we observed some AD Templars leaping into unflagged keeps again. Would you please fix this problem? Do whatever it takes.

    Thanks so much!!

    I can't Charge over a bump on the ground. I have no idea how other templars could possibly make it work.

    DKs tho... still getting into keeps constantly.
  • KenaPKK
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    I don't jump into keeps myself (disclaimer), but I honestly don't see the big deal here... I think it adds interesting complexity to the game, and it keeps you on your toes.
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  • SienneYviete
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    TBH I actually enjoy watching a DK leap up onto a wall and rek a bunch of snipe spammers that think they're safe.
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  • Jaronking
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    How did they do that I thought ZOS broke gap closers.
  • Minno
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    TBH I actually enjoy watching a DK leap up onto a wall and rek a bunch of snipe spammers that think they're safe.

    #balance.

    Also stop going in range of them :(.
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  • NBrookus
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    KenaPKK wrote: »
    I don't jump into keeps myself (disclaimer), but I honestly don't see the big deal here... I think it adds interesting complexity to the game, and it keeps you on your toes.

    When it was just a few places to stand in stupid, it was one thing. Now it's pretty much everywhere. The worst is leaping through grates.
  • Lucky28
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    KenaPKK wrote: »
    I don't jump into keeps myself (disclaimer), but I honestly don't see the big deal here... I think it adds interesting complexity to the game, and it keeps you on your toes.

    I agree.
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  • K4RMA
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    they wouldnt be able to leap up if u pugs wouldnt sit on top of keep walls begging to get one shot instead of actually pushing out. stop whining about something you cant change
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  • Vangy
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    A little rock on the ground and my mount loses full momentum and trips over itself.
    A little rock on the ground and all my gap closers go bonkers and bug out.
    A little rock on the ground and and I lose all running momentum.
    However,
    When the little rock becomes a wooden door, I can teleport-gap-close to targets,
    When the little rock becomes a metal grate, I can phase through it to targets,
    When the little rock becomes a keep wall, I can flyyyyyyyyyy

    Zos logic for u. Embrace "true skills" guys. Clearly we are meant to avoid little rocks and seek out doors and grates and walls to fly through/over. The game... as ZOS wants us to play it.
    Edited by Vangy on June 14, 2016 7:07AM
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  • WuffyCerulei
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    The AD climbing onto keep walls weren't using gap-closers or DKs using Dragon Leap. They were jumping up the side of a postern house door. My guildmates were quick to catch onto their ***.
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  • Ackwalan
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    The AD climbing onto keep walls weren't using gap-closers or DKs using Dragon Leap. They were jumping up the side of a postern house door. My guildmates were quick to catch onto their ***.

    Lately I've been seeing whole groups, just run up to doors, and it looks like they spam proxy det. They must of been trying to either climb the walls or glitch through the door.

  • WuffyCerulei
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    Ackwalan wrote: »
    Lately I've been seeing whole groups, just run up to doors, and it looks like they spam proxy det. They must of been trying to either climb the walls or glitch through the door.

    Welp, time to drop Scorching Flare, Caltrops, Fire Rune, and Daedric mines on those doors to keep the bananas away. What else can I use to make em move...ah, Daedric Curse and Inevitible det.
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  • Turelus
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    As others have said why again?

    This has been part of Cyrodiil since the start in one form or another. The Nightblade shade trick has never been fixed, you can also still use lotus/ambush and projecting bubble to get into keeps with NPC use.

    This isn't something I really agree with but it's something ZOS have never been able to fix, and although somewhere on these forums there is a post stating bypassing keep walls without taking them down is an exploit, they have never enforced it.
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  • visionality
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    Zerg squad templars exploit toppling charge to port through the grate to the top of outposts and inner keeps. That's definitely something ZOS has to fix cause it breaks the logic of the game when somebody can jump on you through solid objects.

    BUT - I dont think "honest" gap closing abilities like the dragon jump or ambush/lotus fan from slightly elevated locations should be prevented. Same goes for the possibility to jump through doors when ambushing an enemy in the moment when he enters. The door has to be open in that moment, right?

    Having an element of surprise every now and then keeps you awake and it's not as if the DK couldn't die when he flaps onto the keep wall and right into a bunch of enemies.
  • Eclipse0990
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    Alright. Consider this. A DK jumps in an empty keep on NPC(yes, NPC). Kills the NPC on flags and then sieges from inside. You don't even see it on map until it's too late. Let me ask you. Is it a fun element in the game for you if you spent 1 hour fighting at the keep to take it or defend it earlier?
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  • Ghostbane
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    When will ZoS learn? Unless keeps are removed from Cyro, they will be leaped!
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  • caeliusstarbreaker
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    It's all gap closers... The only thing they "fixed" is your ability to gap close up a hill. You can still get into keeps and over gaps.
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  • caeliusstarbreaker
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    By fixed I mean broke
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  • Thalmor-Nordmaster
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    it started out an AP farm. then the AD got bored and wanted to spice it up.
    it was on twitch. they stopped about 30 minutes later.
  • Rylana
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    Alright. Consider this. A DK jumps in an empty keep on NPC(yes, NPC). Kills the NPC on flags and then sieges from inside. You don't even see it on map until it's too late. Let me ask you. Is it a fun element in the game for you if you spent 1 hour fighting at the keep to take it or defend it earlier?

    If the alternative is that lone DK sieging from the outside gets zerged down by 40+ defenders with an emp, youre damned right its better for the DK.
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  • MTrent24
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    I used to leap into keeps.... but then I took an arrow to the knee.
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  • Sandman929
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    I like the DK leaps, and I've never even done it, but it looks fantastic.
  • Nermy
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    Sandman929 wrote: »
    I like the DK leaps, and I've never even done it, but it looks fantastic.

    Great fun... ;)
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  • Cuyler
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    I actually enjoy reporting people who jump into keeps and onto walls, considering it's not intended gameplay. If you can't understand the reason this is not intended I feel bad for you. I could care less if you think it's "a fun mechanic".

    Edit: if this is what keeps PvP fun for you, my god...go play another game. you're clearly bored with this one.
    Edited by Cuyler on June 14, 2016 3:24PM
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  • rfennell_ESO
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    The AD climbing onto keep walls weren't using gap-closers or DKs using Dragon Leap. They were jumping up the side of a postern house door. My guildmates were quick to catch onto their ***.

    Seen Jago and co doing this for months...

    But hey it's AD exploiting!
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    In DAOC Nightblades could climb the keep walls. That was always very interesting. So I do not mind players teleporting or flying to targets that are to close to the edge of keep walls. Keeps it fun.
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  • _Chaos
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    Cuyler wrote: »
    I actually enjoy reporting people who jump into keeps and onto walls, considering it's not intended gameplay. If you can't understand the reason this is not intended I feel bad for you. I could care less if you think it's "a fun mechanic".

    Edit: if this is what keeps PvP fun for you, my god...go play another game. you're clearly bored with this one.

    Yah! How dare you guys think leaping onto a keep wall is fun! FOR THE LOVE OF AKATOSH, THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
    Some people are just so simple minded...
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  • KenaPKK
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    Oooh I wanna climb up the walls. That'd be fun. Why are DKs better at infiltrating keeps than nightblades anyway? :P
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