Can one be banned for this?
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✭✭✭✭✭Happens too often on all platforms to the point where these are planned events to give ppl PvP skill tree exp for caltrops n stuff
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✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Happens too often on all platforms to the point where these are planned events to give ppl PvP skill tree exp for caltrops n stuff
This is what I was thinking. I actually support them grinding that way.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Khajiit_Ri wrote: »Last night this one was in Cyrodiil, and he was about to attack a lone enemy player, until he saw two others enemy players in stealth, so Khajiit watched and observed members from my alliance (about 10) walk up to where the enemy player was, the other two enemy players came out of stealth, no fighting, then the two go back into stealth, and the unstealthed enemy player starts killing each of my alliance members one by one, until only 9 are dead, then the one left standing resurrects the recently deceased. Then 9 are killed and a different one is left standing and she ressurects. Then they switch roles and the enemy faction lets my alliance attack them but they just heal, what the heck is happening there?
Guild members farming one another for AP to increase Leaderboard rankings. It's certainly not within the spirit of the game, and is rather sleazy, that's for sure. Whether it's an actual exploit is another matter entirely. ZOS seems to believe that if they play See No Evil, Hear No Evil, Speak No Evil, then exploits will just magically vanish, so I highly doubt that they'll ever come out an acknowledge it as an actual exploit and tell people that it's against the rules.
So these are the f***ers that shoot up the leaderboard and make me give up after 2 days on non stop trying to get emp1 -
DurzoBlint13✭✭✭✭this is how 3/4 of the Emps get their thrones. Been going on since launch There are even guilds that advertise they will do this for you to get Emp1
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✭Khajiit_Ri wrote: »Last night this one was in Cyrodiil, and he was about to attack a lone enemy player, until he saw two others enemy players in stealth, so Khajiit watched and observed members from my alliance (about 10) walk up to where the enemy player was, the other two enemy players came out of stealth, no fighting, then the two go back into stealth, and the unstealthed enemy player starts killing each of my alliance members one by one, until only 9 are dead, then the one left standing resurrects the recently deceased. Then 9 are killed and a different one is left standing and she ressurects. Then they switch roles and the enemy faction lets my alliance attack them but they just heal, what the heck is happening there?
Guild members farming one another for AP to increase Leaderboard rankings. It's certainly not within the spirit of the game, and is rather sleazy, that's for sure. Whether it's an actual exploit is another matter entirely. ZOS seems to believe that if they play See No Evil, Hear No Evil, Speak No Evil, then exploits will just magically vanish, so I highly doubt that they'll ever come out an acknowledge it as an actual exploit and tell people that it's against the rules.
I would not be so quick to accuse people of doing this to illegitimately farm AP. There are plenty of cross-faction guilds out there that meet up for constructive purposes. Now, I wasn't there to witness it first hand, but they could have just as easily been testing the bleed procs on their vMA axes, or how much their impen reduces their incoming crit damage, etc.Edited by Autolycus on June 13, 2016 6:52PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭DurzoBlint13 wrote: »this is how 3/4 of the Emps get their thrones. Been going on since launch There are even guilds that advertise they will do this for you to get Emp
Well that is an arbitrary number, and not really true. Most emp farming is from resource boosting, dticks and troll repairs.
You know how much AP you get for solo repairing the door, outside wall and inside wall? Lots, especially after you just solo wiped 50 people in a 30 minute 'siege'
lol, 10 people at a clip ain't touching the big farmersTl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.0 -
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✭✭all they have to do is increase the time for repeat killing the same guy lowers ap to something like 5min, that way it would be a waste of time.PLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread
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No one else has brought this up but maybe the reason for it wasn't so objectionable or nefarious. Given that you have diminishing returns for killing the same person a second time (what like 50 AP or less for the second kill) maybe the actor was doing something else. My thought is he just making an effort at unlocking trophies/dyes.
Let's say I was a completionist and working on PvP achievements in EP. There is a "kill 100 of x" achievement for each race. If I am EP how the heck am I ever going to kill 100 Argonians? One way is I could get someone to make a DC-based Argonian and we could take turns killing each other. It would be boring and wouldn't count for much towards AP but it would unlock the achievement. And I can't see how that would bother anyone else or call it cheating.1 -
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✭✭✭✭Netizen_of_Tamriel wrote: »No one else has brought this up but maybe the reason for it wasn't so objectionable or nefarious. Given that you have diminishing returns for killing the same person a second time (what like 50 AP or less for the second kill) maybe the actor was doing something else. My thought is he just making an effort at unlocking trophies/dyes.
Let's say I was a completionist and working on PvP achievements in EP. There is a "kill 100 of x" achievement for each race. If I am EP how the heck am I ever going to kill 100 Argonians? One way is I could get someone to make a DC-based Argonian and we could take turns killing each other. It would be boring and wouldn't count for much towards AP but it would unlock the achievement. And I can't see how that would bother anyone else or call it cheating.
That sounds like the very definition of cheating. Maybe it's not cheating to be the emperor but it's cheating to get the achievement in that way nonetheless.0 -
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I see this happening on XBOX NA. I know for a fact it is happening and they are doing to get emp on Scourge.
I believe this is cheating, and therefore would not do it, but if there is nothing in the rules that prevents it. Then no one should get banned for it.XBOX NA
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DurzoBlint13✭✭✭✭DurzoBlint13 wrote: »this is how 3/4 of the Emps get their thrones. Been going on since launch There are even guilds that advertise they will do this for you to get Emp
Well that is an arbitrary number, and not really true. Most emp farming is from resource boosting, dticks and troll repairs.
You know how much AP you get for solo repairing the door, outside wall and inside wall? Lots, especially after you just solo wiped 50 people in a 30 minute 'siege'
lol, 10 people at a clip ain't touching the big farmers
yes the 3/4 is be high but it happens a good bit. I have seen this happen in a much larger scale several times before.
One guy collecting D-ticks from 5 other people attacking a keep, rinse and repeat. Even saw this group a couple days later running around together on the same faction trying to get people to join their guild with promises of getting Emp.
One female character killing people running out from a keep and getting in line to die and respawn and do it again (took video of that one).
And there were a couple times I saw the exact thing that OP saw happening on a larger scale- groups of 20+ people being res'd to get killed again
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✭✭This feels so wrong that it never even crossed my mind as something that could technically be done in this game. Bleh... People just want the points, they don't want to play the game."Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
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✭✭✭Khajiit_Ri wrote: »Last night this one was in Cyrodiil, and he was about to attack a lone enemy player, until he saw two others enemy players in stealth, so Khajiit watched and observed members from my alliance (about 10) walk up to where the enemy player was, the other two enemy players came out of stealth, no fighting, then the two go back into stealth, and the unstealthed enemy player starts killing each of my alliance members one by one, until only 9 are dead, then the one left standing resurrects the recently deceased. Then 9 are killed and a different one is left standing and she ressurects.
Then they switch roles and the enemy faction lets my alliance attack them but not to the point of death, they just heal one below a certain amount, what the heck is happening there?
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Esquire1980g_ESO✭✭✭Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »This is called "fight clubbing" and it's been around for a long time. SWG seen this with the Jedi system just before CU when they added the FRS, CU, and the NGE when the PVP system required points to keep your PVP rating.
It's just about going to happen expecially with "leaderboards" and any other system that requires constant participation and/or an "alpha" prof (like emp here). People will game the system.
I'm actually surprised there isn't a lot more of it gong on.
CU didn't have FRS. THey took it out along with messing up pearl drops. That's why the BH's during this time sucked, they'd face a Pre-CU jedi with a maxed saber one out of every 20 or so bounties. Then scream hack because they never seen or don't see those damage numbers often. I got reported by BH's multiple times because they didn't understand a capped dam/speed saber."Fight Clubbing?" What a wonderful attempt to give a nice name to being a sleaze bag cheater. Scumming might be a better word for it, don't you think?
It's what it's been called for just about 10-15 years. If this name was used prior to SWG I don't know, but it's what we called it.
In fact, the FRS came with the village, a patch or 2 just before the CU. That's why SWGEMU will have the village/FRS in the system under patch 14.1, the patch just before CU. I ran a server and most of it has been coded already. Just needed to be turned on. FRS existed a bit into the CU as well, before they just gave up on the concept (in part due to fight-clubbing) and I well remember the pearl drop problems. Or how about the ability to farm the village quests for elder crystal after elder crystal? The day the game ended, I still had 2 Untuned (they actualy had u tune them in NGE) as deco in my bunker.
Nice to see another old SWG vet over here. With as many threads on the nerfs that came with the last patch (here), these guys would of gone into convulsions if they ever seen a CU, NGE, or C6CD. lol0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭DurzoBlint13 wrote: »DurzoBlint13 wrote: »this is how 3/4 of the Emps get their thrones. Been going on since launch There are even guilds that advertise they will do this for you to get Emp
Well that is an arbitrary number, and not really true. Most emp farming is from resource boosting, dticks and troll repairs.
You know how much AP you get for solo repairing the door, outside wall and inside wall? Lots, especially after you just solo wiped 50 people in a 30 minute 'siege'
lol, 10 people at a clip ain't touching the big farmers
yes the 3/4 is be high but it happens a good bit. I have seen this happen in a much larger scale several times before.
One guy collecting D-ticks from 5 other people attacking a keep, rinse and repeat. Even saw this group a couple days later running around together on the same faction trying to get people to join their guild with promises of getting Emp.
One female character killing people running out from a keep and getting in line to die and respawn and do it again (took video of that one).
And there were a couple times I saw the exact thing that OP saw happening on a larger scale- groups of 20+ people being res'd to get killed again
It DOES happen
LoL You didn't obviously read what I posted.
What you are trying to refute as explanation, is literally what "resource boosting, dticks and troll repairs" meansTl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.0 -
Xundiin✭✭✭✭Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »This is called "fight clubbing" and it's been around for a long time. SWG seen this with the Jedi system just before CU when they added the FRS, CU, and the NGE when the PVP system required points to keep your PVP rating.
It's just about going to happen expecially with "leaderboards" and any other system that requires constant participation and/or an "alpha" prof (like emp here). People will game the system.
I'm actually surprised there isn't a lot more of it gong on.
CU didn't have FRS. THey took it out along with messing up pearl drops. That's why the BH's during this time sucked, they'd face a Pre-CU jedi with a maxed saber one out of every 20 or so bounties. Then scream hack because they never seen or don't see those damage numbers often. I got reported by BH's multiple times because they didn't understand a capped dam/speed saber."Fight Clubbing?" What a wonderful attempt to give a nice name to being a sleaze bag cheater. Scumming might be a better word for it, don't you think?
It's what it's been called for just about 10-15 years. If this name was used prior to SWG I don't know, but it's what we called it.
In fact, the FRS came with the village, a patch or 2 just before the CU. That's why SWGEMU will have the village/FRS in the system under patch 14.1, the patch just before CU. I ran a server and most of it has been coded already. Just needed to be turned on. FRS existed a bit into the CU as well, before they just gave up on the concept (in part due to fight-clubbing) and I well remember the pearl drop problems. Or how about the ability to farm the village quests for elder crystal after elder crystal? The day the game ended, I still had 2 Untuned (they actualy had u tune them in NGE) as deco in my bunker.
Nice to see another old SWG vet over here. With as many threads on the nerfs that came with the last patch (here), these guys would of gone into convulsions if they ever seen a CU, NGE, or C6CD. lol
To be more accurate, the FRS system wasn't removed, it wasn't achievable. only Jedi that did the Knight trials before CU where able to participate in the FRS system. CU removed the knight trials so no new Jedi could join it and since most of the vet Jedi quit when CU hit that pretty much killed FRS. Not that it was all that great to begin with. And I believe the FRS was put in with Patch 9 which was the Jedi Revamp, Patch 10 was the Jedi unlock revamp, aka The Village patch.Edited by Xundiin on June 13, 2016 7:47PM#SavePlayer10 -
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✭✭It happens on every platform.
About every player on console over general does it.
They keep doing after they get emp as well, they must be selling AP for real money with that kind of dedication.
Zos can pay employees to monitor this forum to remove every cry post and scrub namecalling.
But to have someone play the game and hand out one month bans? is that just out of the question???
It would take one person to look at leaderboards, ghost in, and fix their game.1 -
Esquire1980g_ESO✭✭✭Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »This is called "fight clubbing" and it's been around for a long time. SWG seen this with the Jedi system just before CU when they added the FRS, CU, and the NGE when the PVP system required points to keep your PVP rating.
It's just about going to happen expecially with "leaderboards" and any other system that requires constant participation and/or an "alpha" prof (like emp here). People will game the system.
I'm actually surprised there isn't a lot more of it gong on.
CU didn't have FRS. THey took it out along with messing up pearl drops. That's why the BH's during this time sucked, they'd face a Pre-CU jedi with a maxed saber one out of every 20 or so bounties. Then scream hack because they never seen or don't see those damage numbers often. I got reported by BH's multiple times because they didn't understand a capped dam/speed saber."Fight Clubbing?" What a wonderful attempt to give a nice name to being a sleaze bag cheater. Scumming might be a better word for it, don't you think?
It's what it's been called for just about 10-15 years. If this name was used prior to SWG I don't know, but it's what we called it.
In fact, the FRS came with the village, a patch or 2 just before the CU. That's why SWGEMU will have the village/FRS in the system under patch 14.1, the patch just before CU. I ran a server and most of it has been coded already. Just needed to be turned on. FRS existed a bit into the CU as well, before they just gave up on the concept (in part due to fight-clubbing) and I well remember the pearl drop problems. Or how about the ability to farm the village quests for elder crystal after elder crystal? The day the game ended, I still had 2 Untuned (they actualy had u tune them in NGE) as deco in my bunker.
Nice to see another old SWG vet over here. With as many threads on the nerfs that came with the last patch (here), these guys would of gone into convulsions if they ever seen a CU, NGE, or C6CD. lol
To be more accurate, the FRS system wasn't removed, it wasn't achievable. only Jedi that did the Knight trials before CU where able to participate in the FRS system. CU removed the knight trials so no new Jedi could join it and since most of the vet Jedi quit when CU hit that pretty much killed FRS. Not that it was all that great to begin with. And I believe the FRS was put in with Patch 9 which was the Jedi Revamp, Patch 10 was the Jedi unlock revamp, aka The Village patch.
That may be where I didn't feel the difference. My jedi was pre-patch 9 so the FRS was still available until way into the CU (way into, the CU only laster 6 months until the NGE /scarcasm). Patch 9 is still a very sore spot with NERF WARS finishing off my jedi, and CU taking out saber damage.0 -
Xundiin✭✭✭✭Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »This is called "fight clubbing" and it's been around for a long time. SWG seen this with the Jedi system just before CU when they added the FRS, CU, and the NGE when the PVP system required points to keep your PVP rating.
It's just about going to happen expecially with "leaderboards" and any other system that requires constant participation and/or an "alpha" prof (like emp here). People will game the system.
I'm actually surprised there isn't a lot more of it gong on.
CU didn't have FRS. THey took it out along with messing up pearl drops. That's why the BH's during this time sucked, they'd face a Pre-CU jedi with a maxed saber one out of every 20 or so bounties. Then scream hack because they never seen or don't see those damage numbers often. I got reported by BH's multiple times because they didn't understand a capped dam/speed saber."Fight Clubbing?" What a wonderful attempt to give a nice name to being a sleaze bag cheater. Scumming might be a better word for it, don't you think?
It's what it's been called for just about 10-15 years. If this name was used prior to SWG I don't know, but it's what we called it.
In fact, the FRS came with the village, a patch or 2 just before the CU. That's why SWGEMU will have the village/FRS in the system under patch 14.1, the patch just before CU. I ran a server and most of it has been coded already. Just needed to be turned on. FRS existed a bit into the CU as well, before they just gave up on the concept (in part due to fight-clubbing) and I well remember the pearl drop problems. Or how about the ability to farm the village quests for elder crystal after elder crystal? The day the game ended, I still had 2 Untuned (they actualy had u tune them in NGE) as deco in my bunker.
Nice to see another old SWG vet over here. With as many threads on the nerfs that came with the last patch (here), these guys would of gone into convulsions if they ever seen a CU, NGE, or C6CD. lol
To be more accurate, the FRS system wasn't removed, it wasn't achievable. only Jedi that did the Knight trials before CU where able to participate in the FRS system. CU removed the knight trials so no new Jedi could join it and since most of the vet Jedi quit when CU hit that pretty much killed FRS. Not that it was all that great to begin with. And I believe the FRS was put in with Patch 9 which was the Jedi Revamp, Patch 10 was the Jedi unlock revamp, aka The Village patch.
That may be where I didn't feel the difference. My jedi was pre-patch 9 so the FRS was still available until way into the CU (way into, the CU only laster 6 months until the NGE /scarcasm). Patch 9 is still a very sore spot with NERF WARS finishing off my jedi, and CU taking out saber damage.
That's because BH's cried about not being able to solo Jedi. So they nerfed a lot of the defenses Jedi had and then removed some BH restrictions so you ended up fighting BH/CM's instead of actual BH's. Still never lost to those because pre-cu pearls /flex. Still kinda funny that the CSR's knew who I was and would come talk to me when they had to "watch" me for suspicious game play because I hurt another BH's feelings.#SavePlayer10 -
> That sounds like the very definition of cheating. Maybe it's not cheating to be the emperor but it's cheating to get the achievement in that way nonetheless.
At the risk of debating an opinion, which is pretty much always inadvisable, I'll press a bit further.
I don't think ZoS would consider it cheating. To me "cheating" means taking advantage of an exploit to gain an unfair advantage over another player. Thus anything that could impact to do with leaderboards or the economy, sure, is cheating. If this person is just unlocking a dye, it's not the intended mechanic but who would really care? That person isn't taking anything away from you. He wouldn't be getting any decent AP after the first kill. If someone is wearing Templar Tangerine do you really care if they earned it with 100 legit kills or with a colluding guildie? I wouldn't; it changes nothing about my game experience. Anything you dye with that color is bound, so there is no advantage to you whatsoever.
If it is cheating, is it also cheating to hunt for motifs with the farm/log/farm routine? It sounds like a manipulation of a game mechanic but ZoS already said they don't care if you do it.0 -
Khajiit_Ri✭✭✭@Korah_Eaglecry This one thinks suggests you go for a long nice walk along the beaches of Khenarthi's Roost, in fact Khajiit recommends it. Don't deprive this one of his culture, please, wouldnt you rather have a worthwhile banning reason?
@DaveMoeDee ah yes, you get what Khajiit is putting down. Why have one account being able to be in multiple campaigns? Khajiit feels one character per campaign is best, why should my Daggerfall be in the same campaign as my AD?
@Turelus do you think Khajiit's identity and gratification is hinged on these forums? This one enjoys forums, but if @ZOS_BrianWheeler is such a paper tiger, Khajiit could recommend some legendary armor to keep the bad "insults" away, unfortunately it is behind an RNG wall. But in all seriousness, BDub (that's what we call in our guild) Bdub doesn't need you white knighting him. He has the power to enforce law, but he doesn't seem like the tyrannical type, in fact he is one of nicest ZOS peeps in the game. He should be honored Khajiit even mentioned his name.1 -
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That one should keep in mind that people will still find people to do such nonsense with, even if they can only have their account in one faction per campaign. Especially when there are so many trade guilds that don't group for PvP. That can mean a roster of 500 people spread throughout factions and campaigns that you can easily talk to and team up with.Khajiit_Ri wrote: »@DaveMoeDee ah yes, you get what Khajiit is putting down. Why have one account being able to be in multiple campaigns? Khajiit feels one character per campaign is best, why should my Daggerfall be in the same campaign as my AD?
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Khajiit_Ri✭✭✭@Netizen_of_Tamriel I think you're trying to polish a turd and justifying that sort of behavior is despicable. Of course nobody really "cares," it's a game after all, but let's not call a glass of urine, lemonade. Let's call it a glass of urine and be done with it.0
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✭✭✭✭✭If you call having respect for developers white knighting sure why not.
It's just we see over and over on these forums players making rude and nasty digs at developers which really is pretty low. I am more than willing to be critical of choices he and other developers have made and often have on the forums, however I won't be outright rude or disrespectful to them.
The post I made previous was not aimed at you so much as other ones (which have since been moderated away) and more that I would like to see the community move away from this low behaviour so maybe ZOS will be more willing to open dialogues with us rather than having to face personal attacks every time they make a forums post.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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✭✭✭✭✭I'd say grab a few buddies of your own and wreck the enemy players so they can't keep farming. You might *** them off enough to where they'll give up. If they don't, follow the larger group around until they do.
A lot of the time you can get things to stop by just being an annoyance.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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Khajiit_Ri✭✭✭Also wouldn't he have to reply in order for there to be a dialogue?
Bdubb is cool in my lorebook.0
