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Please CP reference the dugeons in the dungeon finder.
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Digiman✭✭✭✭✭karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »i ran a veteran darkshade caverns gold the other day with a cp 30 healer ....
the tank refused to budge ...
until the healer pulled the hole dissapearing adds trick ....
the tank was wow yeah u will do
we one shot every boss got the timed achievement aswell as a no death run ....
so please tell me
would u run with that cp 30 healer ????
Go find 3 people at 30cp and 12k health and record you guys doing ICP.
i would be more interested in streaming you i mean im a good player and dont care about other players cp ...
skill over cp any day of the week
you seem to think that cp can break your game if u have a lack of it ...
so suspect your one of these glass cannon dps players that blame a healer every time you die
I am seeing that pattern here with the OP poster as well. They sure are whining alot and then demanding evidence for others accounts of successful runs with 30 CP, but had yet to stream a video concerning their account.
Point is bad runs happen, I have had runs where a tank didn't know an encounter and had a language barrier problem to boot making describing the boss encounter impossible. This was the last boss and I felt threw in the towel after the 4 attempts from the 3 replacement DPS who left.
I got over it and an low an behold the next day I had perfect group clear a veteran dungeon.
Champion points aren't the reason for success or failure it's knowing the encounter and gear that helps.0 -
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✭✭✭✭karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »would u take a player with 18 k health and 30 cp ?
Depending on how much time I have, the players role, and the capability of the other players in the group I could be inclined to take them to the first boss in vWGT to see how it goes. But the problem is that if he isn't capable of pulling his weight then he has to be told he isn't ready for this dungeon and asked to leave it.Edited by Armitas on June 13, 2016 11:52AMRetired.
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Champion points aren't the reason for success or failure it's knowing the encounter and gear that helps.
Yeah the CP reference is just a reference of time in game that can give you a statistical clue as to what someones power level is. It's not really about the power derived from slotting the points. If someone had say 400cp it is more likely that he has a main, a stable of resources and crafters for gear, experience with their rotations etc. Sure someone can go online and run someones build rotation at 30 CP but they may not have the gold, craft or guild to get the gear necessary to heal or dps.Edited by Armitas on June 13, 2016 11:58AMRetired.
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karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »would u take a player with 18 k health and 30 cp ?
Depending on how much time I have, the players role, and the capability of the other players in the group I could be inclined to take them to the first boss in vWGT to see how it goes. But the problem is that if he isn't capable of pulling his weight then he has to be told he isn't ready for this dungeon and asked to leave it.
ok heres the situation i tanked icp twice on saturday both for gold one group had 501 and was a pug we wiped alot because the dps were well fooling about all at 501 cp
the next group a group of my own forming from my friends i had 470 cp the rest were in the mid 200s and non of them had seen it ... we basically 1 shot every boss but the last wiped 4 times on curse ... and then downed him for gold ...
would i have taken those same 3 players if they had just hit cp 10 ....
you betcha ...
they followed the instuctions well got the flow of the fights very fast
all knew which skills would be effective/ineffective for certain bosses ....
yes its not an example of cp but is an example of knowledge0 -
Naslu✭✭✭Thats not gonna be happen, just remember the screams at the time of group damage addon. Remember the demand by people to get an option to hide their actual cp.
I dont think "inspect option" or "cp requirements for lfg related stuff" will ever find its way into the game.0 -
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✭✭✭✭karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »would u take a player with 18 k health and 30 cp ?
Depending on how much time I have, the players role, and the capability of the other players in the group I could be inclined to take them to the first boss in vWGT to see how it goes. But the problem is that if he isn't capable of pulling his weight then he has to be told he isn't ready for this dungeon and asked to leave it.
ok heres the situation i tanked icp twice on saturday both for gold one group had 501 and was a pug we wiped alot because the dps were well fooling about all at 501 cp
the next group a group of my own forming from my friends i had 470 cp the rest were in the mid 200s and non of them had seen it ... we basically 1 shot every boss but the last wiped 4 times on curse ... and then downed him for gold ...
would i have taken those same 3 players if they had just hit cp 10 ....
you betcha ...
they followed the instuctions well got the flow of the fights very fast
all knew which skills would be effective/ineffective for certain bosses ....
yes its not an example of cp but is an example of knowledge
470cp is not 30cp. 250cp is not 30cp It's not even close. Your peeps did their part, this 30cp guys dead body can only be carried through every fight.Edited by Armitas on June 13, 2016 12:04PMRetired.
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youkarldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »would u take a player with 18 k health and 30 cp ?
Depending on how much time I have, the players role, and the capability of the other players in the group I could be inclined to take them to the first boss in vWGT to see how it goes. But the problem is that if he isn't capable of pulling his weight then he has to be told he isn't ready for this dungeon and asked to leave it.
ok heres the situation i tanked icp twice on saturday both for gold one group had 501 and was a pug we wiped alot because the dps were well fooling about all at 501 cp
the next group a group of my own forming from my friends i had 470 cp the rest were in the mid 200s and non of them had seen it ... we basically 1 shot every boss but the last wiped 4 times on curse ... and then downed him for gold ...
would i have taken those same 3 players if they had just hit cp 10 ....
you betcha ...
they followed the instuctions well got the flow of the fights very fast
all knew which skills would be effective/ineffective for certain bosses ....
yes its not an example of cp but is an example of knowledge
470cp is not 30cp. 250cp is not 30cp It's not even close.
u missed the point even if they had 10 cp i would still take them cus they knew how to play ...
they wiped on curses shades and the only response was ok time for some absorb magika ......
do u know how many 501 players dont even use that skill dude ...
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✭✭✭✭karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »youkarldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »would u take a player with 18 k health and 30 cp ?
Depending on how much time I have, the players role, and the capability of the other players in the group I could be inclined to take them to the first boss in vWGT to see how it goes. But the problem is that if he isn't capable of pulling his weight then he has to be told he isn't ready for this dungeon and asked to leave it.
ok heres the situation i tanked icp twice on saturday both for gold one group had 501 and was a pug we wiped alot because the dps were well fooling about all at 501 cp
the next group a group of my own forming from my friends i had 470 cp the rest were in the mid 200s and non of them had seen it ... we basically 1 shot every boss but the last wiped 4 times on curse ... and then downed him for gold ...
would i have taken those same 3 players if they had just hit cp 10 ....
you betcha ...
they followed the instuctions well got the flow of the fights very fast
all knew which skills would be effective/ineffective for certain bosses ....
yes its not an example of cp but is an example of knowledge
470cp is not 30cp. 250cp is not 30cp It's not even close.
u missed the point even if they had 10 cp i would still take them cus they knew how to play ...
they wiped on curses shades and the only response was ok time for some absorb magika ......
do u know how many 501 players dont even use that skill dude ...
Do it then. Make a video or coherent story (not a poem please) of you heroically taking 3 people at 10cp into vICP. Go into the undaunted city hub when maintenance is down and search in zone for 3 people at 10cp that know how to play for vICP. I look forward to hearing how that goes.Edited by Armitas on June 13, 2016 12:08PMRetired.
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u have basically placed to much importance on something that only really reflects the amount of time spent playing a game ...
and ignored the only thing that really matters knowledge ...0 -
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✭✭✭✭karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »u have basically placed to much importance on something that only really reflects the amount of time spent playing a game ...
and ignored the only thing that really matters knowledge ...
Knowledge is not the only thing that matters. That is half of it. The other half is the ability to fully act on that knowledge.Edited by Armitas on June 13, 2016 12:11PMRetired.
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karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »youkarldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »would u take a player with 18 k health and 30 cp ?
Depending on how much time I have, the players role, and the capability of the other players in the group I could be inclined to take them to the first boss in vWGT to see how it goes. But the problem is that if he isn't capable of pulling his weight then he has to be told he isn't ready for this dungeon and asked to leave it.
ok heres the situation i tanked icp twice on saturday both for gold one group had 501 and was a pug we wiped alot because the dps were well fooling about all at 501 cp
the next group a group of my own forming from my friends i had 470 cp the rest were in the mid 200s and non of them had seen it ... we basically 1 shot every boss but the last wiped 4 times on curse ... and then downed him for gold ...
would i have taken those same 3 players if they had just hit cp 10 ....
you betcha ...
they followed the instuctions well got the flow of the fights very fast
all knew which skills would be effective/ineffective for certain bosses ....
yes its not an example of cp but is an example of knowledge
470cp is not 30cp. 250cp is not 30cp It's not even close.
u missed the point even if they had 10 cp i would still take them cus they knew how to play ...
they wiped on curses shades and the only response was ok time for some absorb magika ......
do u know how many 501 players dont even use that skill dude ...
Do it then. Make a video or coherent story (not a poem please) of you heroically taking 3 people at 10cp into vICP. Go into the undaunted city hub when maintenance is down and search in zone for 3 people at 10cp that know how to play for vICP. I look forward to hearing how that goes.
im very interested in teaming up with you .... you are ofc argueing that a 501 player who as done nothing but grind mobs in public dungeons ... would be better than a player that as lvled and quested and understood the game and its various mechanics
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✭✭✭✭karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »youkarldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »would u take a player with 18 k health and 30 cp ?
Depending on how much time I have, the players role, and the capability of the other players in the group I could be inclined to take them to the first boss in vWGT to see how it goes. But the problem is that if he isn't capable of pulling his weight then he has to be told he isn't ready for this dungeon and asked to leave it.
ok heres the situation i tanked icp twice on saturday both for gold one group had 501 and was a pug we wiped alot because the dps were well fooling about all at 501 cp
the next group a group of my own forming from my friends i had 470 cp the rest were in the mid 200s and non of them had seen it ... we basically 1 shot every boss but the last wiped 4 times on curse ... and then downed him for gold ...
would i have taken those same 3 players if they had just hit cp 10 ....
you betcha ...
they followed the instuctions well got the flow of the fights very fast
all knew which skills would be effective/ineffective for certain bosses ....
yes its not an example of cp but is an example of knowledge
470cp is not 30cp. 250cp is not 30cp It's not even close.
u missed the point even if they had 10 cp i would still take them cus they knew how to play ...
they wiped on curses shades and the only response was ok time for some absorb magika ......
do u know how many 501 players dont even use that skill dude ...
Do it then. Make a video or coherent story (not a poem please) of you heroically taking 3 people at 10cp into vICP. Go into the undaunted city hub when maintenance is down and search in zone for 3 people at 10cp that know how to play for vICP. I look forward to hearing how that goes.
im very interested in teaming up with you .... you are ofc argueing that a 501 player who as done nothing but grind mobs in public dungeons ... would be better than a player that as lvled and quested and understood the game and its various mechanics
Let me repost the OP for you.Allowing people to blindly queue up for vWGT at 30 cp creates a bad situation for everyone. It's a bad situation for the guy who queued up not knowing the dungeon is far higher in difficulty then he is ready for, and it's a bad situation for everyone else who has to tell him he isn't ready for it.
Please put a recommended CP on each dungeon in the dungeon finder so people know what they are getting into when they queue, and allow us to set a CP minimum on who we get grouped with when we select a specific dungeon.Retired.
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karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »youkarldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »would u take a player with 18 k health and 30 cp ?
Depending on how much time I have, the players role, and the capability of the other players in the group I could be inclined to take them to the first boss in vWGT to see how it goes. But the problem is that if he isn't capable of pulling his weight then he has to be told he isn't ready for this dungeon and asked to leave it.
ok heres the situation i tanked icp twice on saturday both for gold one group had 501 and was a pug we wiped alot because the dps were well fooling about all at 501 cp
the next group a group of my own forming from my friends i had 470 cp the rest were in the mid 200s and non of them had seen it ... we basically 1 shot every boss but the last wiped 4 times on curse ... and then downed him for gold ...
would i have taken those same 3 players if they had just hit cp 10 ....
you betcha ...
they followed the instuctions well got the flow of the fights very fast
all knew which skills would be effective/ineffective for certain bosses ....
yes its not an example of cp but is an example of knowledge
470cp is not 30cp. 250cp is not 30cp It's not even close.
u missed the point even if they had 10 cp i would still take them cus they knew how to play ...
they wiped on curses shades and the only response was ok time for some absorb magika ......
do u know how many 501 players dont even use that skill dude ...
Do it then. Make a video or coherent story (not a poem please) of you heroically taking 3 people at 10cp into vICP. Go into the undaunted city hub when maintenance is down and search in zone for 3 people at 10cp that know how to play for vICP. I look forward to hearing how that goes.
and i love the way u have not even acknowledge that one skill that would make icp easy as hell .... so yeah ... i think that proves a number of my points
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✭✭✭✭karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »youkarldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »would u take a player with 18 k health and 30 cp ?
Depending on how much time I have, the players role, and the capability of the other players in the group I could be inclined to take them to the first boss in vWGT to see how it goes. But the problem is that if he isn't capable of pulling his weight then he has to be told he isn't ready for this dungeon and asked to leave it.
ok heres the situation i tanked icp twice on saturday both for gold one group had 501 and was a pug we wiped alot because the dps were well fooling about all at 501 cp
the next group a group of my own forming from my friends i had 470 cp the rest were in the mid 200s and non of them had seen it ... we basically 1 shot every boss but the last wiped 4 times on curse ... and then downed him for gold ...
would i have taken those same 3 players if they had just hit cp 10 ....
you betcha ...
they followed the instuctions well got the flow of the fights very fast
all knew which skills would be effective/ineffective for certain bosses ....
yes its not an example of cp but is an example of knowledge
470cp is not 30cp. 250cp is not 30cp It's not even close.
u missed the point even if they had 10 cp i would still take them cus they knew how to play ...
they wiped on curses shades and the only response was ok time for some absorb magika ......
do u know how many 501 players dont even use that skill dude ...
Do it then. Make a video or coherent story (not a poem please) of you heroically taking 3 people at 10cp into vICP. Go into the undaunted city hub when maintenance is down and search in zone for 3 people at 10cp that know how to play for vICP. I look forward to hearing how that goes.
and i love the way u have not even acknowledge that one skill that would make icp easy as hell .... so yeah ... i think that proves a number of my points
Cool, so it should be easy for you to take 3 10cp players into vICP. I look forward to hearing about it.Edited by Armitas on June 13, 2016 12:17PMRetired.
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✭✭✭✭✭Folks.....CP isn't how this is set up.
It's really just a lack of UI clarity from ZOS, because they didn't know how to "remove" VR but no one needs a CP reference. It's still technically a VR16 scaled environment for now.-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »youkarldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »would u take a player with 18 k health and 30 cp ?
Depending on how much time I have, the players role, and the capability of the other players in the group I could be inclined to take them to the first boss in vWGT to see how it goes. But the problem is that if he isn't capable of pulling his weight then he has to be told he isn't ready for this dungeon and asked to leave it.
ok heres the situation i tanked icp twice on saturday both for gold one group had 501 and was a pug we wiped alot because the dps were well fooling about all at 501 cp
the next group a group of my own forming from my friends i had 470 cp the rest were in the mid 200s and non of them had seen it ... we basically 1 shot every boss but the last wiped 4 times on curse ... and then downed him for gold ...
would i have taken those same 3 players if they had just hit cp 10 ....
you betcha ...
they followed the instuctions well got the flow of the fights very fast
all knew which skills would be effective/ineffective for certain bosses ....
yes its not an example of cp but is an example of knowledge
470cp is not 30cp. 250cp is not 30cp It's not even close.
u missed the point even if they had 10 cp i would still take them cus they knew how to play ...
they wiped on curses shades and the only response was ok time for some absorb magika ......
do u know how many 501 players dont even use that skill dude ...
Do it then. Make a video or coherent story (not a poem please) of you heroically taking 3 people at 10cp into vICP. Go into the undaunted city hub when maintenance is down and search in zone for 3 people at 10cp that know how to play for vICP. I look forward to hearing how that goes.
and i love the way u have not even acknowledge that one skill that would make icp easy as hell .... so yeah ... i think that proves a number of my points
Cool, so it should be easy for you to take 3 10cp players into vICP. I look forward to hearing about it.
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✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Folks.....CP isn't how this is set up.
It's really just a lack of UI clarity from ZOS, because they didn't know how to "remove" VR but no one needs a CP reference. It's still technically a VR16 scaled environment for now.
The dungeons are not equal though. Compare vWayrest to vICP. You could put easy, medium, hard etc I guess. But if I was a brand new 30cp I wouldn't really know how to qualify easy over hard in regards to being prepared for it. I might think it has harder and more intense boss mechanics rather than there being a gear limitation.
Edited by Armitas on June 13, 2016 12:26PMRetired.
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12k hp is someone who forgot to refresh his buff food. If this happens, maybe a friendly reminder via /tell would be better than a forum post. And with 18k hp you can easiely do icp or any other dungeon if you know how to play the game, no matter how many cp you have.AzraelKrieg wrote: »Wouldn't matter as queuing for a dungeon using the group finder scales everyone up to CP160 anyway.
It doesn't work. 12k hp at 30 cp "scaled up" isn't going to make vWGT happen, even more so for vICP.
But your general idea, labeling dungeons according to their difficulty is a good idea in my opinion. It shouldn't be cp related but more a little description for each dungeon in the group finder:
- Wayrest Sewers: Cleaning the sewers from it's undead inhabitants. A perfect task for an aspiring adventurer.
- City of Ash: Only experienced fighters should go on the mission to rescue other members of the undaunted from the Deadlands
- Imperial City Prison: Assisting a dremora on her path to vengeance - only perfectly geared and trained heroes should attempt such a foolish quest.0 -
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✭✭✭So... I did the 3 first dungeons (BC, FG and Spindle) last night in "retro" fashion with my latest alt a DK tank, by putting the group together through chat in Auridon. We ran it leveled to my level, 17, and the other three players were 14,14 and 16.
I was the only experienced player (the DB seems to to have really brought a lot of new people in from what I see in the low level AD zones) and we had a great time despite only having "half a healer" - a sorc with the two first resto staff abilities unmorphed...
Now try that through the group finder (when it's working again lol) and see how much "fun" that is with a group of new players against CP160 trash and bosses.
That experience really hammered home to me what's wrong with the current "let's all play together as one big happy family" system of bolstering all content to 160. Us vets might be able to handle it with our low level alts but it really is a harsh introduction to dungeon grouping in ESO for the truly new players that will frustrate them to no end. That is, if they don't get immediately kicked out of group finder PUGs... which is an even less welcoming introduction to the game.Edited by Iselin on June 13, 2016 1:08PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »
12k hp is someone who forgot to refresh his buff food. If this happens, maybe a friendly reminder via /tell would be better than a forum post. And with 18k hp you can easiely do icp or any other dungeon if you know how to play the game, no matter how many cp you have.AzraelKrieg wrote: »Wouldn't matter as queuing for a dungeon using the group finder scales everyone up to CP160 anyway.
It doesn't work. 12k hp at 30 cp "scaled up" isn't going to make vWGT happen, even more so for vICP.
I did, he didn't have any nor did he think he even needed any because he just got to 30cp. No one in the group had any for him and mine was CP gated. I crafted some tri food his level later on and mailed it to him.
I like that better than CP. I added it to the OP.lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »
But your general idea, labeling dungeons according to their difficulty is a good idea in my opinion. It shouldn't be cp related but more a little description for each dungeon in the group finder:
- Wayrest Sewers: Cleaning the sewers from it's undead inhabitants. A perfect task for an aspiring adventurer.
- City of Ash: Only experienced fighters should go on the mission to rescue other members of the undaunted from the Deadlands
- Imperial City Prison: Assisting a dremora on her path to vengeance - only perfectly geared and trained heroes should attempt such a foolish quest.Edited by Armitas on June 13, 2016 12:33PMRetired.
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we took a v1 healer in lvl 46 gear into a non scaled veteran 16 elden root ..... we wiped once he changed some skills and boom we downed it ... ... would u take that healer into vicp ???
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✭✭✭✭Basically the same thing this weekend. A lot of people have vICP on thier to do list as they cycle dungeons for skill points but they are not ready for it yet. They queue up not knowing what they are getting into and you have to be the bad guy by cancellong your random vet dungeon group and wait 15 min for another.
They really need descriptions.Edited by Armitas on June 27, 2016 3:45PMRetired.
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