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Does ZOS really listen?
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Tonight we got a big nothing from E3, but we did get hear someone from the office say they listen. That truly frightened me. Some people post great suggestions and ideas on these forums. Others simply post irrelevant or uneducated thoughts. I'm not sure which one I will fall into for this, but what I do know is what I can plainly see, and what I can see is the opposite. ZOS if you do anything well besides making a beautiful, player engaging and great game it is certainly not listening to your community. There have been countless polls about what people don't want and do want to see changed to the game, and nearly 100% of the time you do the opposite of the poll. Now I realize these polls are not "official" , but they do offer insight from the players that care enough to vote and actually read your forums. I can think of a couple off the top of my head: aoe caps, adding traits to VMA's ridiculous rng layers as well as the undaunted chests and scaling items in already scaled dungeons to name a few. If you were smart you would of already added some of the elite players in the game to your staff much like other MMO's do on regular basis to actually know what people want to see put into your game as well as what needs to be addressed. But instead you continue to ignore the people that put time to test what is broken and essentially do your job for you only to again ignore their warnings. I hope you do start listening, but until that day comes do not suggest that do this, because it is very clear to a lot of your biggest fans what the truth actually is.
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Torbschka✭✭✭✭Cant believe anyone is happy about this...
Why you people dont see it? This is only for NEW players.. again people, listen, its for:
NEW PLAYERS, NEW PLAYERS, NEW PLAYERS
Why the hell should any1 with 2-3 max level cahracters care about leveling ? Nothin will change, ecept the fact that u can start in every faction no matter what faction u did choose... woah... AWESOME lol
I really like story and leveling in MMOS, but heres the thing: ONCE, now its just a torture to leveln an alt and this wont change anything. I'm so *** disappointed and most of u guys even say that its great, I cant belive it.
Story - same, quests - same, every other things - same, why the *** are u hyped for this, most of us have already seen everything in ESO with their first character.
I wanted them to alk about ENDGAME stuff- this is actual for "OLD" players who have supported that game from start:
1. Arenas
2. Battlegrounds
3. Raids
4. New Dungeons
5. Housing
6. etc
Yeah, now I can grind from lvl 1 at the Druegh spot in EP, I'm so happy -.-10 -
binho✭✭✭Unfortunately they do listen!
People ask for silly changes and nerf this and nerf that and ZOS does exactly as they ask.
ZOS is trying to please everyone but that's impossible... People are always going to complain and.
I agree with u OP, but unfortunately more and more I'm starting to believe that ZOS didn't "break" this game... We "the players" are the ones ruining it cos we're never happy
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flguy147ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I dont know if they are understaffed, incompetent or act like they listen because of putting feedback posts on PTS. Buts its hard for me when i see polls on the PTS and hundreds of replies saying this needs to be fixed/changed and absolutely nothing is done by it, it just discourages me especially when they wont even give a response on it. I have literally lost hope and have been logging in less and didnt even log in the last couple days. I just dont think things will be fixed and if it is then they will break something else. Gap closers are still freaking broke and that is just one example.2
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Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Listen/read? Yes.
Act on everything everyone says and do exactly as the community wants? No.
End of the day even though we're the ones paying and playing the game we have to accept that this is their game and they will go in directions or make choices we don't agree with always.
Sure sometimes it horrible and we hate it, sometimes they lose players because of it. This is the same with all MMO games however and you'll never be able to make everyone happy.
As for hiring community members to become Developers, this works for some games not for others. Not everyone who understands and could work on the games systems would understand how to be a developer and stay unbiased etc.
In other games where this has been common (like EVE Online) these players also have to give up a lot such as their player accounts and accept that they now have to play in secret if they do because of the issues their knowledge can cause.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."3 -
CokeVoAYCE✭✭✭✭there needs to be more end game features added, period. otherwise, after a while people at end game get bored and move on to something else.0
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DoierzSoul ShrivenI'm New and ive only played the game for a couple of weeks now although i did buy the game last year on October and i left the game cuz it sucked really bad. But as time progressed i started to relize the game was getting some great reviews and i decided to go back to ESO. And as i have began playing it the game has improved TREMENDOUSLY over the months and i think that zenimax IS listening and that we shouldnt always be against them. It is for a fact that they cannot go around listening to every single request for ex: new dungeons, nerfs, new maps, more content etc these things require time and i think over the coming months zenimax and bethesda will bring new things and content like they did for Dark Brother Hood and The thieves guild.1 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
Yet almost every single skill balance or mechanics change in the game was made for PvP reasons.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."9 -
makreth✭✭✭✭✭flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »I dont know if they are understaffed, incompetent or act like they listen because of putting feedback posts on PTS. Buts its hard for me when i see polls on the PTS and hundreds of replies saying this needs to be fixed/changed and absolutely nothing is done by it, it just discourages me especially when they wont even give a response on it. I have literally lost hope and have been logging in less and didnt even log in the last couple days. I just dont think things will be fixed and if it is then they will break something else. Gap closers are still freaking broke and that is just one example.
You should understand how a developers team works. It's not black and white. They have a deadline for a DLC to come out. PTS goes out, lots and lots of stuff are tested and need to be tweaked and adjusted. Even if the PTS is there, they won't have time to fix them and I'm sure they know that due to the ETA they have from their supervisors. Coding is not a simple thing.
In other words PTS is there for stability tests and fixing the major bugs, as many as possible in the given period of time.0 -
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✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
Yet almost every single skill balance or mechanics change in the game was made for PvP reasons.
So you think changes they make means they care? If they rly care they will hire pvp testers and they will not listen and try to please every cry baby on forums. If they rly care we should have pvp arenas and duels. IF they care we will hear more about pvp in ZoS life, not just pve content, mounts and reagent bags news ... If they... but they dont. And i`l be glad if they prove i`m wrong. More than glad.1 -
Torbschka✭✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
Yet almost every single skill balance or mechanics change in the game was made for PvP reasons.
So you think changes they make means they care? If they rly care they will hire pvp testers and they will not listen and try to please every cry baby on forums. If they rly care we should have pvp arenas and duels. IF they care we will hear more about pvp in ZoS life, not just pve content, mounts and reagent bags news ... If they... but they dont. And i`l be glad if they prove i`m wrong. More than glad.
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Marto✭✭✭✭✭
✭ZOS WANTS to listen... but when the forum is full of complaining, and full of feedback that either contradicts the core aspects of the game or contradicts itself... I can't imagine any developer being able to act on such feedback.Edited by Marto on June 13, 2016 9:42AM"According to the calculations of the sages of the Cult of the Ancestor Moth, the batam guar is the cutest creature in all Tamriel"3 -
LMar✭✭✭✭✭
✭This One Tamriel is on top of all the other things they are already planning for ESO, eg battlefields, capturable towns, new DLCs, housing, barbershop etc etc. So why bash it. You are getting what you want, and something extra on top. Everyone can be happy"If a stick of fish is a fish stick, it will stick like other fish sticks stick"
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They aren't listening for the rest of the request you listed above, but we can't tell they aren't listening to QQers who asked for nerf. They nerfed all the content of the game to make it stupidingly easy.It is for a fact that they cannot go around listening to every single request for ex: [...] nerfs[...]
Yes they listen, they're making this game more casual at each DLC (that's what is asked by all casu around there so they at least listen to these people).
Do they care about their community ? No, they don't care about it. Do they care about their game ? Not at all, they're destroying it. I logged on before DB, the game was empty (during week-end), you can take a look at steam charts (yeah steam charts won't show you the whole community but it's a good reference).
TESO isn't the MMO we loved anymore. No more challenge, too easy, nerf nerf nerf, it is more casu-oriented now. It was a great game they just ruined it cause of all the nerf and bugs. Dungeons are soloable (it's an MMO were you serious about that ?) dungeons are doable without proper tank (yeah even the IC's one) or heal. PvP lol Cyro is full of lag for months now, what are they waiting for ? The DLCs are solo-oriented (with the exeption of MoL), cool thing for a MMO, isn't it ? 3 DLCs, only one group content, seriously ?
I was a FanGirl (and an ES fan since 2002), now i'm too disapointed to defend it anymore. And i'm sad for all the players who stay here believing they'll make this game great again, they'll be disapointed at some point and I feel sorry for them. I really hope the community will get what she asked for, but I hardly doubt about it.
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stcairo✭✭✭The upcoming changes are great, and something I have been looking forward to before leveling my alts.
New players are great for the game, and making their experience of the game better is something that will have a positive effect on everyone. The open world, #onetamriel, really brings us closer to the Elder Scrolls experience I know and love. 
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Knightpanther✭✭✭✭✭
✭Unfortunately they do listen!
People ask for silly changes and nerf this and nerf that and ZOS does exactly as they ask.
ZOS is trying to please everyone but that's impossible... People are always going to complain and.
I agree with u OP, but unfortunately more and more I'm starting to believe that ZOS didn't "break" this game... We "the players" are the ones ruining it cos we're never happy
THIS ..... all day long.
Unfortunately we live in an MMO community where like most games the ones who *** and moan the loudest get heard.
And that usually (not exclusively) are PvPers.
The game has issues and bugs yes, but for most and bare in mind most don't frequent the forums, the game is fun, exciting and a breath of fresh air from other MMOs who's sole intention is to restrict decent equipment and content to a small 1% of PvPer/Raiders.
I personally don't want ZOS rushing into implementing a huge list of changes just because that is what people are used to in other MMOs, bare in mind;
EQ2 took 4 years to get housing right
WOW took 5 years to get Arena's right (then messed them up again)
The Sky aint falling in.
Be safe
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Rev Rielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, they do listen. Things just seem to take time, a lot more time than many of us hope for. But it's easy on the outside looking in.
Thinking back to the beginning: One Tamriel addresses a huge issue a lot of players had - and still do - with the game.
One Tamriel is a significant step in the right direction.
Personally it's the single best news I've heard from ZoS since the release of Craglorn.Edited by Rev Rielle on June 13, 2016 10:13AMIf you can be anything, be kind.0 -
BlackguardBob✭✭✭Truly frightened? Get real. You are accusing an entire staff of not listening to YOU about what YOU want NOW. "Biggest fans" are entitled to no more than say, a casual player is. ZoS will make this game the way they want to having regard to user input and what they are actually competent to do and what is financially viable and not a time sink for them.
I am quite sure that ZoS do listen to feedback since they are continually asking for this, but whether they actually react to it in the way that YOU want THEM to is entirely a different matter.
You, me and everybody else is entitled to nothing and we all signed an agreement to that effect. If you have any constructive input with relevant comment which is actually helpful and necessary then perhaps you might want to use that pent up emotion to write to ZoS. Otherwise your post here is just a rant lost in the wilderness of indifference.2 -
Rayya_Blackheart✭✭✭I think the big issue here is that people are specifically referring to what was announced today. This is a long ongoing history that those who haven't been playing this game for years haven't had to endure yet.
This game is amazing from the very start. Zones are great, content and stories are awesome, running around gathering things like a hoarder on crack has been made even easier, everything is awesome.... and then you hit end game content.
End game is lacking. People have been requesting specific things and it has become as successful as Pendragon announcing that the thread is about dogs.
No, nobody thinks they can just wave a wand and make housing disappear. What we would like to see is viable traits added to end-game content and completely useless traits removed. At CP501, I don't -need- training on my Kena helm. As a member of the "high roller" club, I don't need prosperous on my Mephala set. Not that the boost of gold that prosperous gives you would be all that great in a trial where mobs drop 1-2g a piece.... maybe... sometimes.
We already had decent and less desirable traits dropping from chests, the oh-so-dreaded well-fitted helm/shoulder combo. There was no call from the community to change this, and yet, it was changed.
Last week there was an issue in regards to the helm vendor which, in my opinion, was resolved sufficiently. The problem is the community was posting over and over again asking what was going on and what to do and there was literally nothing in response from ZoS until days later in which that message said (and I'm paraphrasing here) "We knew what was going on, we just didn't say anything".
It just feels like they're trying to cover a gaping wound with a Hello Kitty band-aid and hoping that nobody notices the damage beneath the surface.PC NA Rayya Blackheart pitiful DPS NB CP160
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LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well, its obvious that the game has some serious issues, but...
Imo people on this forum are very judgemental compared to some other mmo forums where people defend stuff like P2W features and other unacceptable things.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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Rayya_Blackheart✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »Well, its obvious that the game has some serious issues, but...
Imo people on this forum are very judgemental compared to some other mmo forums where people defend stuff like P2W features and other unacceptable things.
We should go hang out on the League of Legends forums together! That's where the real entertainment is.PC NA Rayya Blackheart pitiful DPS NB CP160
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LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rayya_Blackheart wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »Well, its obvious that the game has some serious issues, but...
Imo people on this forum are very judgemental compared to some other mmo forums where people defend stuff like P2W features and other unacceptable things.
We should go hang out on the League of Legends forums together! That's where the real entertainment is.
LoL community is very... Interesting in every aspect.
But thats a moba not an mmo.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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Solid_Metal✭✭✭✭✭"this point of people opinion didnt make it in game, ZoS didnt listen to us guys!!!1!!11one!11"
done, i fix your post for you"i will walk through the fog, as i welcome death"0 -
C0wrex✭✭✭✭Plot twist: Do we listen?
"We are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts, made weak by time and fate, but strong in will, to strive, to seek and not to yield."
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Lylith✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
Yet almost every single skill balance or mechanics change in the game was made for PvP reasons.
and has resulted in nearly zero benefit to pve players.
let me rephrase, less than zero. pve doesn't break even, they deal with negatives after every major update.
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C0wrex✭✭✭✭"We are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts, made weak by time and fate, but strong in will, to strive, to seek and not to yield."
-Tennyson, Ulysses3
