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tnanever✭✭✭cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »LOL Templars have always been the "Win Button" Of ESO. So totally understand how itd feel like "easy mode" Sorcs have always required abit of skill to play....whether you shield stacked or not....
Up until recently templar was the worst class for 1v1 in the game. Come back when you have more experience, knowledge and know what you are talking about.
To OP: I see lots of near unbeatable magic sorcs roaming around in Cyrodiil every day so there is definately nothing wrong with your class.
What are you trying to say? Are you trying to justify how strong templar are right now? Terrible logic. Just because a class used to be weak (assuming it's even true), doesn't justify it being too strong now - but that's not what I'm saying anyway. I'd rather sorcerer be improved than have a good class (templar) destroyed.
EDIT: I should add, this isn't only about PvP, but that's certainly an important area. Also, 1v1 isn't the only or most important aspect of PvP.
EDIT2: I see from your signature that your main character is a templar. Gee, I wonder if you have some sort of bias.
The guy said Templars have always been the "Win button" of ESO which is just untrue. I am not trying to justify anything with current balance now because Templars are fine. Some class builds still annihilatevus but now we have a fighting chance. Mag sorcs definately got more balanced and are now beatable, but I guess you like being OP. Stam sorcs got a bit of love which was very much needed.
I feel like the balance overall is better now than it was before.
1v1 isn't the only aspect but it is the best indicator of balance between classes and builds.
It's pretty hypocritical of you to point out my bias when your entire thread about your class is one big bias.
Sorcs are doing just fine and templars are not currently OP. If you feel otherwise you should probably reevaluate your experiences and seek out improvement.willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »LOL Templars have always been the "Win Button" Of ESO. So totally understand how itd feel like "easy mode" Sorcs have always required abit of skill to play....whether you shield stacked or not....
Up until recently templar was the worst class for 1v1 in the game. Come back when you have more experience, knowledge and know what you are talking about.
To OP: I see lots of near unbeatable magic sorcs roaming around in Cyrodiil every day so there is definately nothing wrong with your class.
No one is saying Templars are overpowered, they are in similar level to DKs and Nightblades in most areas and are the better healers, while Nightblades are the best for PvP and DKs are the best for tanking. What we are saying is that sorcerers are not the best at anything, they are the class with the least forgiving rotation in PvE, the class with least reliable self heals and the only class with terrible toggles (some of which that we are forced to use). It all contributes to the most boring class to play.
Also, it is laughable that you say you see lots of unkillable sorcerers in PvP as there has been some serious notes by every PvP guild that the number of sorcerers around Cyrodiil has diminished quite considerably since the release of DB.
That's exactly what the OP and the guy I responded to was saying; that templars are OP and easy to play.
Similar level to NBs? I still see stamblades excelling past what a Templar can achieve, albeit at a smaller degree than before.
I can only state what I see, laugh if you want. I didn't know that EVERY PvP guild agreed on this. If you're going to make such a claim then I will just counter it by saying that might be true but that there are still more sorcs around than templars and by your logic that must mean sorcs are better.
In truth I can't sympasize with you sorcs because your class is still good and nowhere near at the *** level templars were for one and a half year, where during that period mag sorcs were *** beasts. Other classes and builds just got brought up to the same level so the balance is better. That is a good thing.willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »LOL Templars have always been the "Win Button" Of ESO. So totally understand how itd feel like "easy mode" Sorcs have always required abit of skill to play....whether you shield stacked or not....
Up until recently templar was the worst class for 1v1 in the game. Come back when you have more experience, knowledge and know what you are talking about.
To OP: I see lots of near unbeatable magic sorcs roaming around in Cyrodiil every day so there is definately nothing wrong with your class.
I saw someone rich today.So there's definitely no poverty.
NA logic?
If sorcs are so OP, then why in a poll where a guy asked which class he should be was magicka sorc the only one without a single vote while magplars got the second most with stam DK first? xD
I didn't claim sorcs are OP now. I think they are fine. The only build I still think is overperforming in PvP are stamblades.
I don't know of that thread. Probably the same people who said stamplars were just fine the past one and a half year before they got buffed.
I tend to not follow the opinions of the masses on these forums because most times they are wrong.
And what about ingame where most sorcs have rerolled their class this patch because all other classes are easier to play for the same or better reward in terms of survivability, dps, utility etc? Are they all wrong too? xD
Please provide a link to the statistic supporting that claim.
Some classes do some things better than sorcs now sure.
They no longer have the survivability of a DK and Templar combined along with the burst of the NB.
The people rerolling their sorcs now are the people who are used to *** and now have to fight just as hard for it as many other builds, and those people will always aim for FotM (or should I say year?). You have to realize that many of the sorc players were rerollers from DKs and Templars back from before console launch because Sorc have been insanely strong since then along with stamblades. So they rerolled to Sorc back then because it was overperforming and now they will probably move to stamblade or something else. Those people do not stick with something if it requires effort to make it work and such they are not really a good demographic to base decisions on.
Let the pstch hit and let thing settle. Then in a month or two we will have a clearer view of where things are. But I do believe that sorcs are doing just fine, both stam and mag, this patch. Yes mag sorcs are comparatively performing worse this patch compared to last one but that was warranted since they were too strong. Only wondering why they didn't bring stamblades back in line too.
I'm starting to think you're Wrobel in disguise, with all your defenses of his terrible choices in class balance.
You keep bringing up the past balance. Nobody cares how the balance was before. What matters is right now. Sorcerers are simply weaker in melee and ranged, healing, defense, and executes, than everyone else in general. They excel at nothing at the moment, and it's disheartening to see other classes do everything better (again, I don't have personal experience with nighblade, but based on their on-demand invisibility and various forum complaints, I'm assuming they outclass sorcs too).0 -
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✭✭✭✭willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »LOL Templars have always been the "Win Button" Of ESO. So totally understand how itd feel like "easy mode" Sorcs have always required abit of skill to play....whether you shield stacked or not....
Up until recently templar was the worst class for 1v1 in the game. Come back when you have more experience, knowledge and know what you are talking about.
To OP: I see lots of near unbeatable magic sorcs roaming around in Cyrodiil every day so there is definately nothing wrong with your class.
What are you trying to say? Are you trying to justify how strong templar are right now? Terrible logic. Just because a class used to be weak (assuming it's even true), doesn't justify it being too strong now - but that's not what I'm saying anyway. I'd rather sorcerer be improved than have a good class (templar) destroyed.
EDIT: I should add, this isn't only about PvP, but that's certainly an important area. Also, 1v1 isn't the only or most important aspect of PvP.
EDIT2: I see from your signature that your main character is a templar. Gee, I wonder if you have some sort of bias.
The guy said Templars have always been the "Win button" of ESO which is just untrue. I am not trying to justify anything with current balance now because Templars are fine. Some class builds still annihilatevus but now we have a fighting chance. Mag sorcs definately got more balanced and are now beatable, but I guess you like being OP. Stam sorcs got a bit of love which was very much needed.
I feel like the balance overall is better now than it was before.
1v1 isn't the only aspect but it is the best indicator of balance between classes and builds.
It's pretty hypocritical of you to point out my bias when your entire thread about your class is one big bias.
Sorcs are doing just fine and templars are not currently OP. If you feel otherwise you should probably reevaluate your experiences and seek out improvement.willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »LOL Templars have always been the "Win Button" Of ESO. So totally understand how itd feel like "easy mode" Sorcs have always required abit of skill to play....whether you shield stacked or not....
Up until recently templar was the worst class for 1v1 in the game. Come back when you have more experience, knowledge and know what you are talking about.
To OP: I see lots of near unbeatable magic sorcs roaming around in Cyrodiil every day so there is definately nothing wrong with your class.
No one is saying Templars are overpowered, they are in similar level to DKs and Nightblades in most areas and are the better healers, while Nightblades are the best for PvP and DKs are the best for tanking. What we are saying is that sorcerers are not the best at anything, they are the class with the least forgiving rotation in PvE, the class with least reliable self heals and the only class with terrible toggles (some of which that we are forced to use). It all contributes to the most boring class to play.
Also, it is laughable that you say you see lots of unkillable sorcerers in PvP as there has been some serious notes by every PvP guild that the number of sorcerers around Cyrodiil has diminished quite considerably since the release of DB.
That's exactly what the OP and the guy I responded to was saying; that templars are OP and easy to play.
Similar level to NBs? I still see stamblades excelling past what a Templar can achieve, albeit at a smaller degree than before.
I can only state what I see, laugh if you want. I didn't know that EVERY PvP guild agreed on this. If you're going to make such a claim then I will just counter it by saying that might be true but that there are still more sorcs around than templars and by your logic that must mean sorcs are better.
In truth I can't sympasize with you sorcs because your class is still good and nowhere near at the *** level templars were for one and a half year, where during that period mag sorcs were *** beasts. Other classes and builds just got brought up to the same level so the balance is better. That is a good thing.willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »LOL Templars have always been the "Win Button" Of ESO. So totally understand how itd feel like "easy mode" Sorcs have always required abit of skill to play....whether you shield stacked or not....
Up until recently templar was the worst class for 1v1 in the game. Come back when you have more experience, knowledge and know what you are talking about.
To OP: I see lots of near unbeatable magic sorcs roaming around in Cyrodiil every day so there is definately nothing wrong with your class.
I saw someone rich today.So there's definitely no poverty.
NA logic?
I don't want to turn this into a Templar or Jesus beam whine thread, there are enough of those. Your class is fine and fun to play, it should stay that way.
All I ask is that they make sorcs just as fun and viable.cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »LOL Templars have always been the "Win Button" Of ESO. So totally understand how itd feel like "easy mode" Sorcs have always required abit of skill to play....whether you shield stacked or not....
Up until recently templar was the worst class for 1v1 in the game. Come back when you have more experience, knowledge and know what you are talking about.
To OP: I see lots of near unbeatable magic sorcs roaming around in Cyrodiil every day so there is definately nothing wrong with your class.
What are you trying to say? Are you trying to justify how strong templar are right now? Terrible logic. Just because a class used to be weak (assuming it's even true), doesn't justify it being too strong now - but that's not what I'm saying anyway. I'd rather sorcerer be improved than have a good class (templar) destroyed.
EDIT: I should add, this isn't only about PvP, but that's certainly an important area. Also, 1v1 isn't the only or most important aspect of PvP.
EDIT2: I see from your signature that your main character is a templar. Gee, I wonder if you have some sort of bias.
The guy said Templars have always been the "Win button" of ESO which is just untrue. I am not trying to justify anything with current balance now because Templars are fine. Some class builds still annihilatevus but now we have a fighting chance. Mag sorcs definately got more balanced and are now beatable, but I guess you like being OP. Stam sorcs got a bit of love which was very much needed.
I feel like the balance overall is better now than it was before.
1v1 isn't the only aspect but it is the best indicator of balance between classes and builds.
It's pretty hypocritical of you to point out my bias when your entire thread about your class is one big bias.
Sorcs are doing just fine and templars are not currently OP. If you feel otherwise you should probably reevaluate your experiences and seek out improvement.willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »LOL Templars have always been the "Win Button" Of ESO. So totally understand how itd feel like "easy mode" Sorcs have always required abit of skill to play....whether you shield stacked or not....
Up until recently templar was the worst class for 1v1 in the game. Come back when you have more experience, knowledge and know what you are talking about.
To OP: I see lots of near unbeatable magic sorcs roaming around in Cyrodiil every day so there is definately nothing wrong with your class.
No one is saying Templars are overpowered, they are in similar level to DKs and Nightblades in most areas and are the better healers, while Nightblades are the best for PvP and DKs are the best for tanking. What we are saying is that sorcerers are not the best at anything, they are the class with the least forgiving rotation in PvE, the class with least reliable self heals and the only class with terrible toggles (some of which that we are forced to use). It all contributes to the most boring class to play.
Also, it is laughable that you say you see lots of unkillable sorcerers in PvP as there has been some serious notes by every PvP guild that the number of sorcerers around Cyrodiil has diminished quite considerably since the release of DB.
That's exactly what the OP and the guy I responded to was saying; that templars are OP and easy to play.
Similar level to NBs? I still see stamblades excelling past what a Templar can achieve, albeit at a smaller degree than before.
I can only state what I see, laugh if you want. I didn't know that EVERY PvP guild agreed on this. If you're going to make such a claim then I will just counter it by saying that might be true but that there are still more sorcs around than templars and by your logic that must mean sorcs are better.
In truth I can't sympasize with you sorcs because your class is still good and nowhere near at the *** level templars were for one and a half year, where during that period mag sorcs were *** beasts. Other classes and builds just got brought up to the same level so the balance is better. That is a good thing.willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »LOL Templars have always been the "Win Button" Of ESO. So totally understand how itd feel like "easy mode" Sorcs have always required abit of skill to play....whether you shield stacked or not....
Up until recently templar was the worst class for 1v1 in the game. Come back when you have more experience, knowledge and know what you are talking about.
To OP: I see lots of near unbeatable magic sorcs roaming around in Cyrodiil every day so there is definately nothing wrong with your class.
I saw someone rich today.So there's definitely no poverty.
NA logic?
If sorcs are so OP, then why in a poll where a guy asked which class he should be was magicka sorc the only one without a single vote while magplars got the second most with stam DK first? xD
I didn't claim sorcs are OP now. I think they are fine. The only build I still think is overperforming in PvP are stamblades.
I don't know of that thread. Probably the same people who said stamplars were just fine the past one and a half year before they got buffed.
I tend to not follow the opinions of the masses on these forums because most times they are wrong.
And what about ingame where most sorcs have rerolled their class this patch because all other classes are easier to play for the same or better reward in terms of survivability, dps, utility etc? Are they all wrong too? xD
Please provide a link to the statistic supporting that claim.
Some classes do some things better than sorcs now sure.
They no longer have the survivability of a DK and Templar combined along with the burst of the NB.
The people rerolling their sorcs now are the people who are used to *** and now have to fight just as hard for it as many other builds, and those people will always aim for FotM (or should I say year?). You have to realize that many of the sorc players were rerollers from DKs and Templars back from before console launch because Sorc have been insanely strong since then along with stamblades. So they rerolled to Sorc back then because it was overperforming and now they will probably move to stamblade or something else. Those people do not stick with something if it requires effort to make it work and such they are not really a good demographic to base decisions on.
Let the pstch hit and let thing settle. Then in a month or two we will have a clearer view of where things are. But I do believe that sorcs are doing just fine, both stam and mag, this patch. Yes mag sorcs are comparatively performing worse this patch compared to last one but that was warranted since they were too strong. Only wondering why they didn't bring stamblades back in line too.
Statistic? How about... It takes three to four times as long to complete a 'kill 20 sorcs' bounty because there are so few around? Try it.
This steaming pile of a patch has had weeks to 'settle' and it doesn't smell any better from where sorcs are.
I want the class to be fun and viable for everyone, not just for an elitist talented few or the last stubborn die-hards like me.
Edited by Minalan on June 10, 2016 4:46PM0 -
cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »LOL Templars have always been the "Win Button" Of ESO. So totally understand how itd feel like "easy mode" Sorcs have always required abit of skill to play....whether you shield stacked or not....
Up until recently templar was the worst class for 1v1 in the game. Come back when you have more experience, knowledge and know what you are talking about.
To OP: I see lots of near unbeatable magic sorcs roaming around in Cyrodiil every day so there is definately nothing wrong with your class.
What are you trying to say? Are you trying to justify how strong templar are right now? Terrible logic. Just because a class used to be weak (assuming it's even true), doesn't justify it being too strong now - but that's not what I'm saying anyway. I'd rather sorcerer be improved than have a good class (templar) destroyed.
EDIT: I should add, this isn't only about PvP, but that's certainly an important area. Also, 1v1 isn't the only or most important aspect of PvP.
EDIT2: I see from your signature that your main character is a templar. Gee, I wonder if you have some sort of bias.
The guy said Templars have always been the "Win button" of ESO which is just untrue. I am not trying to justify anything with current balance now because Templars are fine. Some class builds still annihilatevus but now we have a fighting chance. Mag sorcs definately got more balanced and are now beatable, but I guess you like being OP. Stam sorcs got a bit of love which was very much needed.
I feel like the balance overall is better now than it was before.
1v1 isn't the only aspect but it is the best indicator of balance between classes and builds.
It's pretty hypocritical of you to point out my bias when your entire thread about your class is one big bias.
Sorcs are doing just fine and templars are not currently OP. If you feel otherwise you should probably reevaluate your experiences and seek out improvement.willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »LOL Templars have always been the "Win Button" Of ESO. So totally understand how itd feel like "easy mode" Sorcs have always required abit of skill to play....whether you shield stacked or not....
Up until recently templar was the worst class for 1v1 in the game. Come back when you have more experience, knowledge and know what you are talking about.
To OP: I see lots of near unbeatable magic sorcs roaming around in Cyrodiil every day so there is definately nothing wrong with your class.
No one is saying Templars are overpowered, they are in similar level to DKs and Nightblades in most areas and are the better healers, while Nightblades are the best for PvP and DKs are the best for tanking. What we are saying is that sorcerers are not the best at anything, they are the class with the least forgiving rotation in PvE, the class with least reliable self heals and the only class with terrible toggles (some of which that we are forced to use). It all contributes to the most boring class to play.
Also, it is laughable that you say you see lots of unkillable sorcerers in PvP as there has been some serious notes by every PvP guild that the number of sorcerers around Cyrodiil has diminished quite considerably since the release of DB.
That's exactly what the OP and the guy I responded to was saying; that templars are OP and easy to play.
Similar level to NBs? I still see stamblades excelling past what a Templar can achieve, albeit at a smaller degree than before.
I can only state what I see, laugh if you want. I didn't know that EVERY PvP guild agreed on this. If you're going to make such a claim then I will just counter it by saying that might be true but that there are still more sorcs around than templars and by your logic that must mean sorcs are better.
In truth I can't sympasize with you sorcs because your class is still good and nowhere near at the *** level templars were for one and a half year, where during that period mag sorcs were *** beasts. Other classes and builds just got brought up to the same level so the balance is better. That is a good thing.willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »LOL Templars have always been the "Win Button" Of ESO. So totally understand how itd feel like "easy mode" Sorcs have always required abit of skill to play....whether you shield stacked or not....
Up until recently templar was the worst class for 1v1 in the game. Come back when you have more experience, knowledge and know what you are talking about.
To OP: I see lots of near unbeatable magic sorcs roaming around in Cyrodiil every day so there is definately nothing wrong with your class.
I saw someone rich today.So there's definitely no poverty.
NA logic?
I don't want to turn this into a Templar or Jesus beam whine thread, there are enough of those. Your class is fine and fun to play, it should stay that way.
All I ask is that they make sorcs just as fun and viable.cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »LOL Templars have always been the "Win Button" Of ESO. So totally understand how itd feel like "easy mode" Sorcs have always required abit of skill to play....whether you shield stacked or not....
Up until recently templar was the worst class for 1v1 in the game. Come back when you have more experience, knowledge and know what you are talking about.
To OP: I see lots of near unbeatable magic sorcs roaming around in Cyrodiil every day so there is definately nothing wrong with your class.
What are you trying to say? Are you trying to justify how strong templar are right now? Terrible logic. Just because a class used to be weak (assuming it's even true), doesn't justify it being too strong now - but that's not what I'm saying anyway. I'd rather sorcerer be improved than have a good class (templar) destroyed.
EDIT: I should add, this isn't only about PvP, but that's certainly an important area. Also, 1v1 isn't the only or most important aspect of PvP.
EDIT2: I see from your signature that your main character is a templar. Gee, I wonder if you have some sort of bias.
The guy said Templars have always been the "Win button" of ESO which is just untrue. I am not trying to justify anything with current balance now because Templars are fine. Some class builds still annihilatevus but now we have a fighting chance. Mag sorcs definately got more balanced and are now beatable, but I guess you like being OP. Stam sorcs got a bit of love which was very much needed.
I feel like the balance overall is better now than it was before.
1v1 isn't the only aspect but it is the best indicator of balance between classes and builds.
It's pretty hypocritical of you to point out my bias when your entire thread about your class is one big bias.
Sorcs are doing just fine and templars are not currently OP. If you feel otherwise you should probably reevaluate your experiences and seek out improvement.willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »LOL Templars have always been the "Win Button" Of ESO. So totally understand how itd feel like "easy mode" Sorcs have always required abit of skill to play....whether you shield stacked or not....
Up until recently templar was the worst class for 1v1 in the game. Come back when you have more experience, knowledge and know what you are talking about.
To OP: I see lots of near unbeatable magic sorcs roaming around in Cyrodiil every day so there is definately nothing wrong with your class.
No one is saying Templars are overpowered, they are in similar level to DKs and Nightblades in most areas and are the better healers, while Nightblades are the best for PvP and DKs are the best for tanking. What we are saying is that sorcerers are not the best at anything, they are the class with the least forgiving rotation in PvE, the class with least reliable self heals and the only class with terrible toggles (some of which that we are forced to use). It all contributes to the most boring class to play.
Also, it is laughable that you say you see lots of unkillable sorcerers in PvP as there has been some serious notes by every PvP guild that the number of sorcerers around Cyrodiil has diminished quite considerably since the release of DB.
That's exactly what the OP and the guy I responded to was saying; that templars are OP and easy to play.
Similar level to NBs? I still see stamblades excelling past what a Templar can achieve, albeit at a smaller degree than before.
I can only state what I see, laugh if you want. I didn't know that EVERY PvP guild agreed on this. If you're going to make such a claim then I will just counter it by saying that might be true but that there are still more sorcs around than templars and by your logic that must mean sorcs are better.
In truth I can't sympasize with you sorcs because your class is still good and nowhere near at the *** level templars were for one and a half year, where during that period mag sorcs were *** beasts. Other classes and builds just got brought up to the same level so the balance is better. That is a good thing.willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »LOL Templars have always been the "Win Button" Of ESO. So totally understand how itd feel like "easy mode" Sorcs have always required abit of skill to play....whether you shield stacked or not....
Up until recently templar was the worst class for 1v1 in the game. Come back when you have more experience, knowledge and know what you are talking about.
To OP: I see lots of near unbeatable magic sorcs roaming around in Cyrodiil every day so there is definately nothing wrong with your class.
I saw someone rich today.So there's definitely no poverty.
NA logic?
If sorcs are so OP, then why in a poll where a guy asked which class he should be was magicka sorc the only one without a single vote while magplars got the second most with stam DK first? xD
I didn't claim sorcs are OP now. I think they are fine. The only build I still think is overperforming in PvP are stamblades.
I don't know of that thread. Probably the same people who said stamplars were just fine the past one and a half year before they got buffed.
I tend to not follow the opinions of the masses on these forums because most times they are wrong.
And what about ingame where most sorcs have rerolled their class this patch because all other classes are easier to play for the same or better reward in terms of survivability, dps, utility etc? Are they all wrong too? xD
Please provide a link to the statistic supporting that claim.
Some classes do some things better than sorcs now sure.
They no longer have the survivability of a DK and Templar combined along with the burst of the NB.
The people rerolling their sorcs now are the people who are used to *** and now have to fight just as hard for it as many other builds, and those people will always aim for FotM (or should I say year?). You have to realize that many of the sorc players were rerollers from DKs and Templars back from before console launch because Sorc have been insanely strong since then along with stamblades. So they rerolled to Sorc back then because it was overperforming and now they will probably move to stamblade or something else. Those people do not stick with something if it requires effort to make it work and such they are not really a good demographic to base decisions on.
Let the pstch hit and let thing settle. Then in a month or two we will have a clearer view of where things are. But I do believe that sorcs are doing just fine, both stam and mag, this patch. Yes mag sorcs are comparatively performing worse this patch compared to last one but that was warranted since they were too strong. Only wondering why they didn't bring stamblades back in line too.
Statistic? How about... It takes three to four times as long to complete a 'kill 20 sorcs' bounty because there are so few around? Try it.
This steaming pile of a patch has had weeks to 'settle' and it doesn't smell any better from where sorcs are.
I want the class to be fun and viable for everyone, not just for an elitist talented few or the last stubborn die-hards like me.
Well, I guess they're balanced then if noone plays them anymore except for like 1-5% of the ingame population. xD
But yeah, sorcs badly need a whole lot of buffs or a complete class remake.R.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
VR16 Dunmer Sorcerer
March 2014 - May 2016
He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
Because crit tanks are so good, LOL. xD0 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hey I was a huge advocate for Temps during that year or so of bugs etc...
You wont find one anti temp post of mine, or a single jesus beam complaint.
That said, you're past templar issues do not warrent a complete disregard of what these people are posting.
What about DK in beginning? Etc.. etc..
I feel that the buffs to Temps was completely warranted, and choices made for Sorcerers was ... divisive to say the least.
I'm personally hoping for a future up date to bring skill lines for each staff... I can hope.0 -
Zinaroth✭✭✭✭✭
✭Waffennacht wrote: »That said, you're past templar issues do not warrent a complete disregard of what these people are posting.
That is definately true, I just genuinely do not see the big problem with Sorcs specifically this patch.
Every class could be improved in some ways to make them more fun or fit their "archetype" better, but I don't think Sorcs specifically need to be buffed.
I meet Sorcs I steamroll and I meat Sorcs who outplay me, just like I do with Stamblades and DKs.
Yesterday I was dueling a stam sorc who I couldn't even get close to beating as a Stamplar because he most likely had better gear and build but also knew what he was doing, and I meet mag sorcs constantly who I cannot seem to put a scratch in before they catch me in a burst combination and ruin my life within two seconds.
Fair enough if you play Sorc and feel like your class should get buffed, you have every right to advocate that, I just disagree.
What triggered my response on this thread was that the "buff sorcs" message was accompanied by a "templars have always been the easy mode OP class in this game" message written by another user and endorsed by the OP.
It feels like we a have a lot of console players on these forums who are without class history when it comes to looking at this game objectively.
Also we cannot dismiss that class balance is a different story on console than on PC simply because the game plays differently depending on the platform and what a player can achieve on each.0 -
tnanever✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »That said, you're past templar issues do not warrent a complete disregard of what these people are posting.
That is definately true, I just genuinely do not see the big problem with Sorcs specifically this patch.
Every class could be improved in some ways to make them more fun or fit their "archetype" better, but I don't think Sorcs specifically need to be buffed.
I meet Sorcs I steamroll and I meat Sorcs who outplay me, just like I do with Stamblades and DKs.
Yesterday I was dueling a stam sorc who I couldn't even get close to beating as a Stamplar because he most likely had better gear and build but also knew what he was doing, and I meet mag sorcs constantly who I cannot seem to put a scratch in before they catch me in a burst combination and ruin my life within two seconds.
Fair enough if you play Sorc and feel like your class should get buffed, you have every right to advocate that, I just disagree.
What triggered my response on this thread was that the "buff sorcs" message was accompanied by a "templars have always been the easy mode OP class in this game" message written by another user and endorsed by the OP.
It feels like we a have a lot of console players on these forums who are without class history when it comes to looking at this game objectively.
Also we cannot dismiss that class balance is a different story on console than on PC simply because the game plays differently depending on the platform and what a player can achieve on each.
Zinaroth - you're just lying now. I never endorsed "templars have always been the easy mode OP class in the game." I've said repeatedly that this topic has nothing to do with past issues. Why do you have to make things up to support your point? Just stop.0 -
Zinaroth✭✭✭✭✭
✭I played as her templar some more and saw how easy the game was - big damage, big instant heals, god-like execute (I see why it's called Jesus Beam now) - basically easy-mode.Playing templar felt like I was cheating.Zinaroth - you're just lying now. I never endorsed "templars have always been the easy mode OP class in the game."
Yeah sure dude...
Edited by Zinaroth on June 11, 2016 4:33PM1 -
tnanever✭✭✭I played as her templar some more and saw how easy the game was - big damage, big instant heals, god-like execute (I see why it's called Jesus Beam now) - basically easy-mode.Playing templar felt like I was cheating.Zinaroth - you're just lying now. I never endorsed "templars have always been the easy mode OP class in the game."
Yeah sure dude...
Are you having a brain problem? You claimed that I supported "templars have always been easy mode" - yet I've stated that my post was specifically about my experience this patch.
You're purposefully ignoring logic and facts (and apparently basic English) in order to save yourself forum embarrassment. I'm literally embarrassed for you now.0 -
Zinaroth✭✭✭✭✭
✭I played as her templar some more and saw how easy the game was - big damage, big instant heals, god-like execute (I see why it's called Jesus Beam now) - basically easy-mode.Playing templar felt like I was cheating.Zinaroth - you're just lying now. I never endorsed "templars have always been the easy mode OP class in the game."
Yeah sure dude...
Are you having a brain problem? You claimed that I supported "templars have always been easy mode" - yet I've stated that my post was specifically about my experience this patch.
You're purposefully ignoring logic and facts (and apparently basic English) in order to save yourself forum embarrassment. I'm literally embarrassed for you now.
You know it's time to end a discussion when the opposing part starts resulting to personal attacks. Don't think think anything constructive will come from this. Good luck with your "templars are OP easy mode so please buff sorcs" agenda.
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DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »LOL Templars have always been the "Win Button" Of ESO. So totally understand how itd feel like "easy mode" Sorcs have always required abit of skill to play....whether you shield stacked or not....
Nah. DK's were that early on. I sure was glad that my first character was a DK. Even better, it was an Imperial back in the days of soft caps.0 -
tnanever✭✭✭I played as her templar some more and saw how easy the game was - big damage, big instant heals, god-like execute (I see why it's called Jesus Beam now) - basically easy-mode.Playing templar felt like I was cheating.Zinaroth - you're just lying now. I never endorsed "templars have always been the easy mode OP class in the game."
Yeah sure dude...
Are you having a brain problem? You claimed that I supported "templars have always been easy mode" - yet I've stated that my post was specifically about my experience this patch.
You're purposefully ignoring logic and facts (and apparently basic English) in order to save yourself forum embarrassment. I'm literally embarrassed for you now.
You know it's time to end a discussion when the opposing part starts resulting to personal attacks. Don't think think anything constructive will come from this. Good luck with your "templars are OP easy mode so please buff sorcs" agenda.
It was the end of the discussion when you lied to try to make yourself sound correct (absolute failure, by the way). I'm glad you're leaving my thread [Snip]
[Edit to remove bait.]Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on June 11, 2016 7:26PM0 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I can't relate to being so attached to a single class. Part of the fun of ESO classes is being able to try each class and learning to play their fundamentally different play styles. I really struggled playing Sorc and NB coming from my DK tank because it was so different. It took me a while to learn their skills, but it is entertaining to figure out how to better use different skills. Templar was a bit different as I just spammed sweeps in PvE and everything was really easy. In PvP, I just stand behind my group spamming heals and RD. Getting to v16 was so much easier (or more mindless) on Templar than DK.
I suppose I understand being attached to a character, and it isn't like we can change that character's class, especially if they are a sorc and don't switch well to being stam weapon focused. But I like having 4 v16 characters and I plan to get 4 more so that I have 2 of each class, 1 stam and 1 magicka.0 -
tnanever✭✭✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »I can't relate to being so attached to a single class. Part of the fun of ESO classes is being able to try each class and learning to play their fundamentally different play styles. I really struggled playing Sorc and NB coming from my DK tank because it was so different. It took me a while to learn their skills, but it is entertaining to figure out how to better use different skills. Templar was a bit different as I just spammed sweeps in PvE and everything was really easy. In PvP, I just stand behind my group spamming heals and RD. Getting to v16 was so much easier (or more mindless) on Templar than DK.
I suppose I understand being attached to a character, and it isn't like we can change that character's class, especially if they are a sorc and don't switch well to being stam weapon focused. But I like having 4 v16 characters and I plan to get 4 more so that I have 2 of each class, 1 stam and 1 magicka.
If I had more time to play, then maybe Wrobel's stupid ideas wouldn't have left me so bitter. I work and have various personal duties, so I can only realistically focus on one character. Having all my time in this game invested in one character, just to see my investment arbitrarily get diminished due to one guy's opinions...yeah, I'm not happy about it.0 -
newtinmpls✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis0 -
newtinmpls✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I work and have various personal duties, so I can only realistically focus on one character. Having all my time in this game invested in one character, just to see my investment arbitrarily get diminished due to one guy's opinions...yeah, I'm not happy about it.
You have made a tradeoff.
You have chosen to spend what time you have on one character.
If you don't like the results, then do something different.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis0 -
tnanever✭✭✭newtinmpls wrote: »I work and have various personal duties, so I can only realistically focus on one character. Having all my time in this game invested in one character, just to see my investment arbitrarily get diminished due to one guy's opinions...yeah, I'm not happy about it.
You have made a tradeoff.
You have chosen to spend what time you have on one character.
If you don't like the results, then do something different.
Wow. You just don't comprehend the problem at all.0 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No one argues with the points made.
It's either, "you deserve it!" Or "if you don't like it make another alt!"
But no one argues that what has been posted is wrong...
To OP, take that into considerationEdited by Waffennacht on June 11, 2016 7:35PM1 -
Dexter411✭✭✭Yes sorcs are bad especially when people say that this is(was) the best class for vMA, if You do not know what this is google it. In PvE every class is fine when it comes to not vMA solo content. Templars are "one button to win" type of class. I have all types of characters stamina and magicka and with the same(almost) gear I can pull off similar dps on same enemies. L2P or git gud, choose.
Quick edit: Before DB dragonknights had 3 types of damage: magical, physical and fire/flame no matter if magicka or stamina based character, try to put CP points into character like that.Edited by Dexter411 on June 11, 2016 7:52PM0 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes sorcs are bad especially when people say that this is(was) the best class for vMA, if You do not know what this is google it. In PvE every class is fine when it comes to not vMA solo content. Templars are "one button to win" type of class. I have all types of characters stamina and magicka and with the same(almost) gear I can pull off similar dps on same enemies. L2P or git gud, choose.
Quick edit: Before DB dragonknights had 3 types of damage: magical, physical and fire/flame no matter if magicka or stamina based character, try to put CP points into character like that.
What are you trying to say? Literally, I cannot understand your typing. There are words, but they make so very little sense.
The more CP trees that effect one ability the more damage it does... If you have a Magical Poison DOT (just as an example) the three trees would provide more damage than a single magic tree.
I'm glad you have several characters, this has no relevance to the discussion.
I am good thank you and I try to L2P everyday but again has no relevance on the discussion.
The OP said he had an easier better more entertaining experience playing on his gf's templar from the very first moment after spending a very long time on his sorc.
This is fact, you cannot argue away his experience, deal with it.
Now we can discuss the merits of OP's points.
Outside of being a summoner for personal kicks there isn't anything a sorc can do that any other class can't. Every class can 5 light armor and Dampen Magic will provide a hardened ward comparable ward. There might be a mobility advantage for the class, but that's rather lackluster compared to heals, and damage of other classes.1 -
Zuuda✭Well, the stamina version of the sorc seems pretty decent, but it's true it brings little to the table in terms of pure sorcery. I mean, I think most stamina sorc builds have two sorc skills, Critical Surge and Hurricane. Wait, three skills if Bound Armaments is slotted.
On the other hand pets *are* unique and an excuse to play the class if some extreme solo is wanted. Not that the other classes cannot do the solo too but it seems a lot more gear related.Zuuda Sharptongue - Mage apprentice, Khajiitmasterace, still kinda omnommnivore.0 -
Vangy✭✭✭✭✭
✭Just give people some time to settle in. The changes just blew up the previous sorc meta kinda like how NBs were going NB DEAD OMG OMG GG ZOS FAIL when TG came out and cloak got gutted and RML got buffed. I daresay in a month or 2 some streamer is going to come up with another meta cheese build and sorc is going to be fine. There are quite a few good ones who have posted some builds already not to mention the easy mode vMSA clear by fear turbo on stam sorc with a score of 552k. Personally, my sorc still kinda feels the same pre-post patch. Never used hardened in PvE and in PvP, it litreally never lasts through a single WB so..... The only annoyance I have is that other classes have harness..... Like shields are supposed to be mah thing. A sorc thing. Why give it to everyone zz. Apart from that, the surge changes are actually quite nice on stam sorc. Its like having an additional vigor ticking away forever coupled with hurricane.(2)V16 Dk- stam dps/stam tank/mag dps
(2)V16 Sorc- mag dps/stam dps
(2)V16 nb- stam dps/mag dps
(1)v16 temp- mag tank/mag dps
CP: 610 and counting
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