Barber Shop alternative,..a wish.

Moonscythe · June 2016

I have many conflicting ideas about the barber shop. I'm not enthused about a rotating name change nor do I think players would be either simply because of the exclusivity of a name. A racial change Is also problematic but I do understand "buyer's remorse" and these things might be best as a real commitment via the crown store.

As far as the barber shop goes, I'm mostly in favor of a fairly inexpensive shop where I could walk in and see jewelry and pictures or books with hair styles and adornments so I could adjust my cosmetic appearance i.e. hair colour, make-up, adornment which would include body tattoos. I think this should have a wider variation so that, for instance, I can have eye make-up and a discrete tattoo or separate pieces of jewelry or other adornment. Then, for a higher fee I could have cosmetic surgery to adjust both body and face i.e bust reduction, face lift, you get the idea. A gender change could fit here as well. This I would prefer to be in game gold and not regarded as a gold sink. Before level 50 many players don't have that much extra gold. I know I spend most of mine on tempers for crafting. A single full crafted set even at blue eats a lot of armor tempers. These kind of changes don't affect game play just player happiness and so should not be really expensive.

The other thing I think is really important because it would eliminate a lot of unhappiness is a better character creator preview. If we could see our characters in various real game world light in real game armor (because I have never seen any of the armor from the creation screen in game on anyone) it would make character creation better. I had not considered varying angles but if some need that then it should be available. Also allow more time idle because it is very frustrating to have made a character you really like only to lose them because you didn't put in a name fast enough. I can't name my characters until I see what they look like.

Arato · June 2016

I think full character looks changes (including changing character sex) should be crowns, but Barber Shop should be in game NPC's that take in game gold for hair style, color, body marking, adornment, and face marking. So the barber learned to do tattoos and piercings too.

Epona222 · June 2016

Mettaricana wrote: »

Acrolas wrote: »

Name change scroll should be for crowns only to tone down possible abuse.

Barber shop should just have one interface - the original character appearance edits, plus additional for-gold sliders.
You'd be surprised how many people would be confused if there are two barber shop interfaces.

No original character editor is terrible because players are viewed ingame from a top down view and creator a bottom up view making a large portion of the time a player made not looking the way you intended ingame also the creator lighting is terrible. It needs a slide up option on camera not jist a zoom in. Can't count the amount of time I made a hot sexy elf in creator then log in to a potato once in game with a huge chin or forhead and gappy eyes that all look different when viewed from a slightly different angle.

It's a great TES tradition though - start in a poorly lit area and get your character looking just right, then when you come out into the sunlight wonder what happened.

EDIT: I think the biggest character creation issue in ESO for me was that the first NPC I met was half-giant Lyris, leaving me thinking "oh no, I have inadvertently made my character really tiny, she only comes up to Lyris's elbow..."

NikaTheCat · June 2016

Epona222 wrote: »

Mettaricana wrote: »

Acrolas wrote: »

Name change scroll should be for crowns only to tone down possible abuse.

Barber shop should just have one interface - the original character appearance edits, plus additional for-gold sliders.
You'd be surprised how many people would be confused if there are two barber shop interfaces.

No original character editor is terrible because players are viewed ingame from a top down view and creator a bottom up view making a large portion of the time a player made not looking the way you intended ingame also the creator lighting is terrible. It needs a slide up option on camera not jist a zoom in. Can't count the amount of time I made a hot sexy elf in creator then log in to a potato once in game with a huge chin or forhead and gappy eyes that all look different when viewed from a slightly different angle.

It's a great TES tradition though - start in a poorly lit area and get your character looking just right, then when you come out into the sunlight wonder what happened.

EDIT: I think the biggest character creation issue in ESO for me was that the first NPC I met was half-giant Lyris, leaving me thinking "oh no, I have inadvertently made my character really tiny, she only comes up to Lyris's elbow..."

Just wanted to add to this.. Recently made some new characters and encountered a similar problem. For example, Altmer are naturally very tall, on the contrary Bosmer are rather short. The thing is that you can't really see that in the character creation window, because you have nothing to compare your character to. So, I found myself blindly adjusting the height of my characters just based on what I knew about their race (and players new to this game wouldn't have that kind of an advantage, if you can call it that).

EDIT: Of course one wouldn't want to compare one's height to Lyris, the half-giantess, in the character creation screen.

Epona222 · June 2016

NikaTheCat wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

Mettaricana wrote: »

Acrolas wrote: »

Name change scroll should be for crowns only to tone down possible abuse.

Barber shop should just have one interface - the original character appearance edits, plus additional for-gold sliders.
You'd be surprised how many people would be confused if there are two barber shop interfaces.

No original character editor is terrible because players are viewed ingame from a top down view and creator a bottom up view making a large portion of the time a player made not looking the way you intended ingame also the creator lighting is terrible. It needs a slide up option on camera not jist a zoom in. Can't count the amount of time I made a hot sexy elf in creator then log in to a potato once in game with a huge chin or forhead and gappy eyes that all look different when viewed from a slightly different angle.

It's a great TES tradition though - start in a poorly lit area and get your character looking just right, then when you come out into the sunlight wonder what happened.

EDIT: I think the biggest character creation issue in ESO for me was that the first NPC I met was half-giant Lyris, leaving me thinking "oh no, I have inadvertently made my character really tiny, she only comes up to Lyris's elbow..."

Just wanted to add to this.. Recently made some new characters and encountered a similar problem. For example, Altmer are naturally very tall, on the contrary Bosmer are rather short. The thing is that you can't really see that in the character creation window, because you have nothing to compare your character to. So, I found myself blindly adjusting the height of my characters just based on what I knew about their race (and players new to this game wouldn't have that kind of an advantage, if you can call it that).

Yep there is absolutely no sense of scale in character creation at all.

Duiwel · June 2016

Volkodav wrote: »

Lazy fix? Its not lazy.I take great care with my characters,and if once ingame,they look odd or I missed something,.I actually say,sorry,but I have to redo you.And when I type delete,I feel a bit sad.And if I didnt have to do that,Id be happier.Id just log to character choice,and hit the edit option there.I dont mind that there is a barber shop,for those who really reakky want to pay for it,but I would rather not.Also,thsi thread didnt advocate the creation of nytrhing new,like more beards,hair,etc.It simply stated a way to change things without hassle,and having to pay a high fee,which everyone seems to want to do.Every time changes are mentioned someone speaks up calling out for a massive price to change things.
I dont care for that.Just my personal feelings.

You misunderstood, I am not saying you are lazy I am saying suggesting the barber shop should just be:

"go to char creation and change things (p.s. we didn't add anything new in 2 years so you're stuck with the same stuff you were @ launch)" <- that's the lazy fix

P.s. I have also done that too, there's nothing as heart breaking as spending 2 hours + on char creation ( a lot of it is doing minor tweaks to get everything JUST right ) and then when you start you never changed to the right alliance...

Volkodav · June 2016

Duiwel wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Lazy fix? Its not lazy.I take great care with my characters,and if once ingame,they look odd or I missed something,.I actually say,sorry,but I have to redo you.And when I type delete,I feel a bit sad.And if I didnt have to do that,Id be happier.Id just log to character choice,and hit the edit option there.I dont mind that there is a barber shop,for those who really reakky want to pay for it,but I would rather not.Also,thsi thread didnt advocate the creation of nytrhing new,like more beards,hair,etc.It simply stated a way to change things without hassle,and having to pay a high fee,which everyone seems to want to do.Every time changes are mentioned someone speaks up calling out for a massive price to change things.
I dont care for that.Just my personal feelings.

You misunderstood, I am not saying you are lazy I am saying suggesting the barber shop should just be:

"go to char creation and change things (p.s. we didn't add anything new in 2 years so you're stuck with the same stuff you were @ launch)" <- that's the lazy fix

P.s. I have also done that too, there's nothing as heart breaking as spending 2 hours + on char creation ( a lot of it is doing minor tweaks to get everything JUST right ) and then when you start you never changed to the right alliance...

Oh,I know! Or the right class. I've done both of those.The faction and class.You get so caught up in the details of creating your character you forget everyuthing else amd just dive into the game,..after.
So,why would you consider it to be a lazy fix to just have it right in the character load area.It's a small option, actual no barber shop needed.Not offended or anything.Just wondering why.
I see no need to have an ingame place we have to go to and pay for.Just me,but that's how I feel.I'd actually like it if it were like the earlier TES games where you just used the tild to open a window to type in "openracemenu" to change stuff.
People keep wanting to have things added ingame,and suggest you pay large sums of money to use them.I'm not an advocate for large pricing of things. Also,I wouldnt want to have to role play a change if I wanted one.Plus,I can bet there wouldnt be many barber shops in the world,so you'd have to get to them.If you hadnt a wayshrine found yet where the shop is,you'd have to wait until you got to the area,etc,etc.
Minor but annoying hassles.

haunted1994F · June 2016

how about the sculpture in skyrim? why ddnt that got in eso

Volkodav · June 2016

haunted1994F wrote: »

how about the sculpture in skyrim? why ddnt that got in eso

Oh,right!
In Riften,the Sculptor there,Galathil. I wonder why not too.

cjthenereid · June 2016

I think it would be nice that if we get player housing and inside there's a mirror somewhere, where we can change our appearance! I think maybe it costing 5000 gold would be ok, and also a crowns option for people who want to pay real money

Volkodav · June 2016

courtneyjade159 wrote: »

I think it would be nice that if we get player housing and inside there's a mirror somewhere, where we can change our appearance! I think maybe it costing 5000 gold would be ok, and also a crowns option for people who want to pay real money

If its in our house,why would we pay for it?
If it is a feature,it would be free then.

idk · June 2016

Rev Rielle wrote: »

If ZoS wants to make money, they simply need to keep their players happy. There's enough of a hook with Crafting Bags to get players to Subscribe.

Now they should seriously think about adding such quality of life mechanisms to the game without there being a Crown Store link.

Make the game truly wonderful and players will be playing for years and years to come. Focus on making money and you just have to have a look at the other games out there that have come and gone before ESO to realise what a terminal long-term mistake that is.

So basically make the barbershop an ESO + perk? I'd be for that but many would object.

I think crown store is the best solution. Keep it available for everyone.

CherryCake · June 2016

I dont understand why they dont do this to be honest... it would probably take less time than making a barber shop

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Dragon Age gives you a dlc FOR FREE to change your characters appearance.
FF14 allows you to save your character`s look and later reload it on a new character, which is awesome for when you make a character that you love how it looks but want to make it in a different faction later etc.

What do we get? NOTHING. And when we get it? It will cost a poopton amount of crowns.

Volkodav · June 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

If ZoS wants to make money, they simply need to keep their players happy. There's enough of a hook with Crafting Bags to get players to Subscribe.

Now they should seriously think about adding such quality of life mechanisms to the game without there being a Crown Store link.

Make the game truly wonderful and players will be playing for years and years to come. Focus on making money and you just have to have a look at the other games out there that have come and gone before ESO to realise what a terminal long-term mistake that is.

So basically make the barbershop an ESO + perk? I'd be for that but many would object.

I think crown store is the best solution. Keep it available for everyone.

I agree with you in that it should be available for everyone.Not just for Plus members,of which I am one.I think it should be for an ingame thing,if it is to be added that way.I still wish it could be just where you load your character,as a side option to change,..without paying for it. I cant see how you would add a barber shop to the crown store though.Maybe just a one time scroll that can be bought.One for names,one for image changes.
I'm not poopooing the ingame barbershop,but I would prefer it the other way.

itehache · June 2016

I agree that we should have the option to change our character appearance and our character name, but I also get that companies want to make money.

I would not mind to pay a reasonable amount of crowns in order to be able to do so. I think my character would look more cool with war paint

and I think we should have the option to change this.

But as you guys have been saying I don't think it would be fair to have this only for ESO+, even though I am a member I think every single player should be able to change its character look!

Edit: I want to add that in WOW barber shops are free as well, and you get more styles than when you are creating a character.

Arato · June 2016

the reason I say hairstyle, color, skin markings, face markings, and adornment should be in game rather than crowns is because I think of these things being things characters would change about themselves semi frequently, without any magical assistance just a barber and a tattoo artist. If it costs crowns that's going to be prohibitive to people changing their hairstyle every few months or so like they should be able to. For a modest fee of in game gold? People will change their look up a bit every once in awhile just because they can and they feel like it.

Crowns could however be used to unlock new tattoos and hair styles and colors. GW2 has new colors and hairstyles and even faces that are gotten through makeover kits that are purchased with their version of crowns. It's pretty popular, they release new hairstyles or faces and makeover kits and hairstyle kits become top sellers instantly.

Rezic · June 2016

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but something I'd be interested in and could make everyone happy and money for ZOS. Charge in game gold (reasonable amount) for appearance change, then in the crown store they could add lore friendly style packs to purchase. For example, new hairstyles, more beards (please), options for female (and male) toons like more flowers, or other adornments not included with stock creation, more color options etc. I know this is a rough overview but these "style packs" I think could add some unique and personal twists to character customization. This could also open up the floor for potential addition of other races that exist in the lore, expanding on immersion, RP and gameplay.

Volkodav · June 2016

eweich86_ESO wrote: »

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but something I'd be interested in and could make everyone happy and money for ZOS. Charge in game gold (reasonable amount) for appearance change, then in the crown store they could add lore friendly style packs to purchase. For example, new hairstyles, more beards (please), options for female (and male) toons like more flowers, or other adornments not included with stock creation, more color options etc. I know this is a rough overview but these "style packs" I think could add some unique and personal twists to character customization. This could also open up the floor for potential addition of other races that exist in the lore, expanding on immersion, RP and gameplay.

I like this idea! Yes,it would please everyone.

Volkodav · June 2016

Arato wrote: »

the reason I say hairstyle, color, skin markings, face markings, and adornment should be in game rather than crowns is because I think of these things being things characters would change about themselves semi frequently, without any magical assistance just a barber and a tattoo artist. If it costs crowns that's going to be prohibitive to people changing their hairstyle every few months or so like they should be able to. For a modest fee of in game gold? People will change their look up a bit every once in awhile just because they can and they feel like it.

Crowns could however be used to unlock new tattoos and hair styles and colors. GW2 has new colors and hairstyles and even faces that are gotten through makeover kits that are purchased with their version of crowns. It's pretty popular, they release new hairstyles or faces and makeover kits and hairstyle kits become top sellers instantly.

I still like my own idea.Just have it an option in the character select area,..for free.
Although I do like the idea of those "Style Packs" that eweich86_ESO suggested!