No leaderboard reset?

Nifty2g · June 2016

I thought we were going to have a leaderboard reset this update because of the blatant cheating (one of them was perma banned)
ZOS why are you allowing the VMA boards in particular to continue to get devalued and ignored, I know a lot of the people who had put in a lot of effort and one particular person has destroyed the boards.

If at least we cant get a reset, why not just remove the person? Why are we still promoting cheating instead of instantly removing it? No one should look at that and be impressed of who the #1 score belongs to because it has been decided it was a hacked score by a player hacking. It just confuses me why we are keeping that there for display. It's not a good outlook on the game/content or how we deal with cheating. And it's just outright disrespectful for those below who should be #1 and put the time and effort in.

timidobserver · June 2016

I am in favor of just implementing a policy of removing anyone that is banned from the game for any amount of time from any and all leaderboards. That way a full reset isn't necessary every time there is an exploit.

Nifty2g · June 2016

timidobserver wrote: »

I am in favor of just implementing a policy of removing anyone that is banned from the game for any amount of time from any and all leaderboards. That way a full reset isn't necessary every time there is an exploit.

I completely agree

OGLezard · June 2016

Some of those banned have been reversed and are in game currently fyi, so i hear

OGLezard · June 2016

If true, then the "banned so remove score" is now invalid

Nifty2g · June 2016

OGLezard wrote: »

If true, then the "banned so remove score" is now invalid

No the top score is a permanently banned player with an unrealistic score. No idea why it is still there.
For Sorcerer and for Templar it is more realistic but both of those were obtained on the same day if i remember correctly

andy_s · June 2016

Probably because the exploit can't be fixed, so devs just gave up

There are many 500k+ scores done with cheats, but they are made by smarter people who are just farming maelstrom weapons. I just hope ZOS will fix the alchemy passive, one day...

Hektik_V · June 2016

Reset boards and fix medicinal use should have been done last week at the latest.

Nifty2g · June 2016

Hektik_V wrote: »

Reset boards and fix medicinal use should have been done last week at the latest.

Gotta slot entropy and regular magic potion, back to welfare pots

Nifty2g · July 2016

Why is there still no leaderboard reset .... it's been almost a month since ZOS said it was being reset in 2 weeks.
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom is there any update if this is coming? It really does ruin one section of the leaderboards

daemonios · July 2016

Still can't take OP seriously after he admitted using the mundus stone exploit "because all guilds were using it" and they needed to do it to stay competitive.

Nifty2g · July 2016

daemonios wrote: »

Still can't take OP seriously after he admitted using the mundus stone exploit "because all guilds were using it" and they needed to do it to stay competitive.

You seem bored to come in here with the intent of start up a pointless argument
Maybe go back and reread instead of coming in without a clue, come back and then have an intelligent conversation about it. Or just message me about it

Caza99 · July 2016

daemonios wrote: »

Still can't take OP seriously after he admitted using the mundus stone exploit "because all guilds were using it" and they needed to do it to stay competitive.

err...what has this got to do with the thread? Why you gotta come over here and start this again?

daemonios · July 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Still can't take OP seriously after he admitted using the mundus stone exploit "because all guilds were using it" and they needed to do it to stay competitive.

You seem bored to come in here with the intent of start up a pointless argument
Maybe go back and reread instead of coming in without a clue, come back and then have an intelligent conversation about it. Or just message me about it

Excuse me? You're here beating your chest about unfair leaderboards, yet in these very forums you admitted to exploiting the game to get better scores in group trials. Yes, ZOS have to get their act together. But on my part, I think players cheating because they can are as much a part of the problem, and I'll call them out whenever I feel like it.

Nifty2g · July 2016

daemonios wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Still can't take OP seriously after he admitted using the mundus stone exploit "because all guilds were using it" and they needed to do it to stay competitive.

You seem bored to come in here with the intent of start up a pointless argument
Maybe go back and reread instead of coming in without a clue, come back and then have an intelligent conversation about it. Or just message me about it

Excuse me? You're here beating your chest about unfair leaderboards, yet in these very forums you admitted to exploiting the game to get better scores in group trials. Yes, ZOS have to get their act together. But on my part, I think players cheating because they can are as much a part of the problem, and I'll call them out whenever I feel like it.

Are you just trying to make a connection from something that really has nothing to do with what I am asking for, I assume you are just trying to give me a bad image along with all the others.

Popular exploit of double mundus was being used by everyone and anyone due to such an easily exploited set, right during competition - exploit was not fixed, for fair competition all the groups decided among each other to use it to keep it "fair". I honestly do not care one single bit about your outside opinion on the matter, as it doesn't involve you at all, the more worrying thing you should be concerned about was that players had to resort to exploiting for fair competition due to incompetence at bug fixing for months. Don't come in here with that crap targeting me as the bad player, that honestly is a dumb way of thinking.

Cheating because you can, which is the result of the VMA boards is a complete different scenario at what you are targeting me for, go and reread that thread where I explained all of it in a lot of detail. Do you honestly think I wanted to exploit? Really?

For clarification go read through
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/189275/dsa-throw-down-na-v-eu/p1

and then read through here ( i have no idea where i started to talk about it )

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/268218/permabans-being-lifted-zos-how-are-we-as-a-community-dealing-with-exploits-hacking/p1

It's a prime example of what I am talking about, the competition meant so much to us, it went on for months and then some stupid bug came along and went viral and NOTHING was done about it, I'm still angry about that. Competition is being *** because of bugs all the god damn time, leader boards are being made worthless and then the players are being looked down on the community because we are doing everything we can to make it look fair and still trying to be competitive. Now we got some hackers, yes hackers compared to an in game exploiting *** around with the VMA leader boards that have still not been fixed.

As a result of this now you have players targeting the top VMA scores telling them their scores are worthless because they didn't post a video it means they are hacking (yes, that actually happened in a thread).

Do you see now why it is frustrating to dealing with these stupid comments, it annoys me thinking about it that every single *** time there is always at least SOMETHING to cause any sort of unfairness, whether it is an ingame bug or a 3rd party program now, the leader boards are turned to utter crap. And groups, in this case what you are targeting me for is VDSA we have to all get together and discuss the most stupidest thing a group could ever discuss to keep fair competition.

So yes, that is why I want them to reset them. And just having to write this and explain it was even more disappointing to what it made me realise

daemonios · July 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Still can't take OP seriously after he admitted using the mundus stone exploit "because all guilds were using it" and they needed to do it to stay competitive.

You seem bored to come in here with the intent of start up a pointless argument
Maybe go back and reread instead of coming in without a clue, come back and then have an intelligent conversation about it. Or just message me about it

Excuse me? You're here beating your chest about unfair leaderboards, yet in these very forums you admitted to exploiting the game to get better scores in group trials. Yes, ZOS have to get their act together. But on my part, I think players cheating because they can are as much a part of the problem, and I'll call them out whenever I feel like it.

Are you just trying to make a connection from something that really has nothing to do with what I am asking for, I assume you are just trying to give me a bad image along with all the others.

Popular exploit of double mundus was being used by everyone and anyone due to such an easily exploited set, right during competition - exploit was not fixed, for fair competition all the groups decided among each other to use it to keep it "fair". I honestly do not care one single bit about your outside opinion on the matter, as it doesn't involve you at all, the more worrying thing you should be concerned about was that players had to resort to exploiting for fair competition due to incompetence at bug fixing for months. Don't come in here with that crap targeting me as the bad player, that honestly is a dumb way of thinking.

Cheating because you can, which is the result of the VMA boards is a complete different scenario at what you are targeting me for, go and reread that thread where I explained all of it in a lot of detail. Do you honestly think I wanted to exploit? Really?

By using the mundus stone exploit, you may have and probably did kick others off the leaderboards as well. Did you ask for a reset of the trials leaderboards/weekly leaderboards when YOU were abusing broken game mechanics? If not, forgive me for finding that there's a slight cognitive dissonance in your argument.

BTW your "outside opinion" means what, exactly? That because I'm not in a l33t guild competing for top spots I get no say in something that affects the game? Priceless, that is...

Nifty2g · July 2016

daemonios wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Still can't take OP seriously after he admitted using the mundus stone exploit "because all guilds were using it" and they needed to do it to stay competitive.

You seem bored to come in here with the intent of start up a pointless argument
Maybe go back and reread instead of coming in without a clue, come back and then have an intelligent conversation about it. Or just message me about it

Excuse me? You're here beating your chest about unfair leaderboards, yet in these very forums you admitted to exploiting the game to get better scores in group trials. Yes, ZOS have to get their act together. But on my part, I think players cheating because they can are as much a part of the problem, and I'll call them out whenever I feel like it.

Are you just trying to make a connection from something that really has nothing to do with what I am asking for, I assume you are just trying to give me a bad image along with all the others.

Popular exploit of double mundus was being used by everyone and anyone due to such an easily exploited set, right during competition - exploit was not fixed, for fair competition all the groups decided among each other to use it to keep it "fair". I honestly do not care one single bit about your outside opinion on the matter, as it doesn't involve you at all, the more worrying thing you should be concerned about was that players had to resort to exploiting for fair competition due to incompetence at bug fixing for months. Don't come in here with that crap targeting me as the bad player, that honestly is a dumb way of thinking.

Cheating because you can, which is the result of the VMA boards is a complete different scenario at what you are targeting me for, go and reread that thread where I explained all of it in a lot of detail. Do you honestly think I wanted to exploit? Really?

By using the mundus stone exploit, you may have and probably did kick others off the leaderboards as well. Did you ask for a reset of the trials leaderboards/weekly leaderboards when YOU were abusing broken game mechanics? If not, forgive me for finding that there's a slight cognitive dissonance in your argument.

BTW your "outside opinion" means what, exactly? That because I'm not in a l33t guild competing for top spots I get no say in something that affects the game? Priceless, that is...

I'm quite sure many others were exploiting it too, like I said most likely over 50% were doing it.
Yes I did ask for a trials leaderboard reset, actually I knew a reset was happening. and if you read through the thread, I cared more about beating HODOR before the leaderboard reset was happening, because in the end it was just our 2 groups going at it

My outside opinion means you were not part of the active competition, everyone that was apart of it had a say.

EgoRush · July 2016

Leaderboards were reset after the double Mundus bug was fixed, so these arguments are incredibly moot. Also, just because someone used a well-known bug doesn't mean they are guilty of hacking into a game. You're comparing apples and oranges.

Also, with regards to people using double Mundus bug knocking people off the leaderboard I can tell you no, that simply isn't true. My team and Nifty's team were leagues ahead of everyone during that competition because most other people were sick of the stale content (I was sick of it too, but I'm stubborn when it comes to competition). It was only ever our teams edging each other off the top spot for months. Months before either team even knew about the Mundus bug, let alone contemplated using it.