If and when Race Change Comes:

Iluvrien · June 2016

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Iluvrien wrote: »

Much as I hate the idea of race change, I am getting too tired of the continuous threads complaining about it to hold on to my vociferous opposition to it for much longer.

I suggest another option. If you choose to change your race then a phase flag is set on that character, and you get placed in a special phase with the rest of the "numbers first, **** the lore" people.

To be frank, if you will change your race purely because of the passives? I don't want to encounter you. We aren't playing the same game.

Don't know where the venom came from, but if you're upset that I want to be a Breton and have reasonable stam stats because it is a game, then I don't need to encounter you

Sorry, no venom. As I said before, I've run out of energy on this one. I have seen various forms of this argument play out pretty much since the beginning of PC early access. What you are getting now is grudging acceptance.

As for being upset? I can't help you there either. I'm not upset that you want to change race. That is a waste of time and energy. I just recognise that you and I are likely playing different games. Or, at least, that we are interested in different things from it. I don't think those different play styles are going to compliment each other, and therefore I would like it better if there was a degree of separation between us.

See? No venom. No upset. Just the understanding that any interactions we had probably wouldn't be the basis for any great play experience. For either of us. You can get on with what you do. I will get on with what I do. We both get to be happy.

LadyNalcarya · June 2016

@Iluvrien wrote: »

Much as I hate the idea of race change, I am getting too tired of the continuous threads complaining about it to hold on to my vociferous opposition to it for much longer.

I suggest another option. If you choose to change your race then a phase flag is set on that character, and you get placed in a special phase with the rest of the "numbers first, **** the lore" people.

To be frank, if you will change your race purely because of the passives? I don't want to encounter you. We aren't playing the same game.

I've never been able to understand people like you. Can you please explain why would you be so bothered if some person you dont know would change their chars? You dont play with them so you wont know that this particular redguard was created as an altmer. They wont be able to change your characters either. Even if they would change their chars every day, it wont affect your gameplay in any way possible.
Also, its not your game, you share it with other players, and no, you're not more equal than others. Though you seem to think so, because you've played previous games or discussed lore on reddit or whatever you deem "elite"... Why exactly? Can't you just have fun and let the others have fun too, as long as they dont intervene in your roleplay/questing/fishing/whatever?

P.S. There are people who love both lore and mechanics. You might not believe, but this is true.

Iluvrien · June 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

@Iluvrien wrote: »

Much as I hate the idea of race change, I am getting too tired of the continuous threads complaining about it to hold on to my vociferous opposition to it for much longer.

I suggest another option. If you choose to change your race then a phase flag is set on that character, and you get placed in a special phase with the rest of the "numbers first, **** the lore" people.

To be frank, if you will change your race purely because of the passives? I don't want to encounter you. We aren't playing the same game.

I've never been able to understand people like you. Can you please explain why would you be so bothered if some person you dont know would change their chars? You dont play with them so you wont know that this particular redguard was created as an altmer. They wont be able to change your characters either. Even if they would change their chars every day, it wont affect your gameplay in any way possible.
Also, its not your game, you share it with other players, and no, you're not more equal than others. Though you seem to think so, because you've played previous games or discussed lore on reddit or whatever you deem "elite"... Why exactly? Can't you just have fun and let the others have fun too, as long as they dont intervene in your roleplay/questing/fishing/whatever?

P.S. There are people who love both lore and mechanics. You might not believe, but this is true.

Because the existence of a race change mechanic has the possibility to change the dynamics of the in-game community. For example, LFG chats may start to change from "LF1M DPS" to "LF1M Dunmer DPS, No Redguard". FOTM build requirements may become even more prevalent than they already are, even with established guilds or groups... but there is another reason that I really am concerned about this.

With race change in game, the financial incentive for ZOS is to not fix or balance racials. In fact, the financial incentive for them is to break or unbalance racials with every major update just so that people will pay money (especially if Crowns are involved) to shift the the most optimal race for that release.

I want a community that hasn't got even greater levels of exclusion.

I want ZOS to fix and finalise racial abilities and passives.

I do not think that either of these issues will be assisted by there being a race change option in the game. Thus, I stand against it.

Mojmir · June 2016

Iluvrien wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

@Iluvrien wrote: »

Much as I hate the idea of race change, I am getting too tired of the continuous threads complaining about it to hold on to my vociferous opposition to it for much longer.

I suggest another option. If you choose to change your race then a phase flag is set on that character, and you get placed in a special phase with the rest of the "numbers first, **** the lore" people.

To be frank, if you will change your race purely because of the passives? I don't want to encounter you. We aren't playing the same game.

I've never been able to understand people like you. Can you please explain why would you be so bothered if some person you dont know would change their chars? You dont play with them so you wont know that this particular redguard was created as an altmer. They wont be able to change your characters either. Even if they would change their chars every day, it wont affect your gameplay in any way possible.
Also, its not your game, you share it with other players, and no, you're not more equal than others. Though you seem to think so, because you've played previous games or discussed lore on reddit or whatever you deem "elite"... Why exactly? Can't you just have fun and let the others have fun too, as long as they dont intervene in your roleplay/questing/fishing/whatever?

P.S. There are people who love both lore and mechanics. You might not believe, but this is true.

Because the existence of a race change mechanic has the possibility to change the dynamics of the in-game community. For example, LFG chats may start to change from "LF1M DPS" to "LF1M Dunmer DPS, No Redguard". FOTM build requirements may become even more prevalent than they already are, even with established guilds or groups... but there is another reason that I really am concerned about this.

With race change in game, the financial incentive for ZOS is to not fix or balance racials. In fact, the financial incentive for them is to break or unbalance racials with every major update just so that people will pay money (especially if Crowns are involved) to shift the the most optimal race for that release.

I want a community that hasn't got even greater levels of exclusion.

I want ZOS to fix and finalise racial abilities and passives.

I do not think that either of these issues will be assisted by there being a race change option in the game. Thus, I stand against it.

sounds like your reading to far into it to defend your weak lore argument,skyrim had race change(ok not an MMO but still TES universe)every online MMO ive played has options like this for customization,deal with it. if your so stuck on "lore" come up with and embrace it somehow. way i see it,lore and RP fanatics are part of the reason this game gets held back and changed to go into the wrong direction,but thats my opinion. race change IS coming,its been asked for alot yes,but so have alot of things.

Iluvrien · June 2016

Mojmir wrote: »

Iluvrien wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

@Iluvrien wrote: »

Much as I hate the idea of race change, I am getting too tired of the continuous threads complaining about it to hold on to my vociferous opposition to it for much longer.

I suggest another option. If you choose to change your race then a phase flag is set on that character, and you get placed in a special phase with the rest of the "numbers first, **** the lore" people.

To be frank, if you will change your race purely because of the passives? I don't want to encounter you. We aren't playing the same game.

I've never been able to understand people like you. Can you please explain why would you be so bothered if some person you dont know would change their chars? You dont play with them so you wont know that this particular redguard was created as an altmer. They wont be able to change your characters either. Even if they would change their chars every day, it wont affect your gameplay in any way possible.
Also, its not your game, you share it with other players, and no, you're not more equal than others. Though you seem to think so, because you've played previous games or discussed lore on reddit or whatever you deem "elite"... Why exactly? Can't you just have fun and let the others have fun too, as long as they dont intervene in your roleplay/questing/fishing/whatever?

P.S. There are people who love both lore and mechanics. You might not believe, but this is true.

Because the existence of a race change mechanic has the possibility to change the dynamics of the in-game community. For example, LFG chats may start to change from "LF1M DPS" to "LF1M Dunmer DPS, No Redguard". FOTM build requirements may become even more prevalent than they already are, even with established guilds or groups... but there is another reason that I really am concerned about this.

With race change in game, the financial incentive for ZOS is to not fix or balance racials. In fact, the financial incentive for them is to break or unbalance racials with every major update just so that people will pay money (especially if Crowns are involved) to shift the the most optimal race for that release.

I want a community that hasn't got even greater levels of exclusion.

I want ZOS to fix and finalise racial abilities and passives.

I do not think that either of these issues will be assisted by there being a race change option in the game. Thus, I stand against it.

sounds like your reading to far into it to defend your weak lore argument,skyrim had race change(ok not an MMO but still TES universe)every online MMO ive played has options like this for customization,deal with it. if your so stuck on "lore" come up with and embrace it somehow. way i see it,lore and RP fanatics are part of the reason this game gets held back and changed to go into the wrong direction,but thats my opinion. race change IS coming,its been asked for alot yes,but so have alot of things.

The post that you are quoting didn't mention the lore once. So who are you actually arguing against?

Lord of the Rings Online still doesn't have a race change option (as far as I know), and is still chugging along 9 years after release.

If I was to make an argument based on lore, it wouldn't be that race change is impossible. That, demonstrably, isn't the case. We have seen NPCs change race. It would be based on extent. A significant portion of Tamriel's adventuring population does not change race every few months. Even then, I doubt that you would accept that argument. So I haven't bothered making it.

To answer your opinion, here is one of my own in the same mode: The way I see it, lore and RP fanatics are part of the reason this game can still have Elder Scrolls in the title and mean it.

hrothbern · June 2016

WardenofArcherus wrote: »

Farorin wrote: »

Race change needs to be a total conversion, not a partial one, otherwise it is too Lore breaking.

I also wish it was super expensive to avoid people just adopting FOTM all the damn time.

I don't see anything wrong with the min/maxers paying ZOS to change their race every month. It sounds like it would be a win/win/win:
Those with the insatiable need to eek out that extra efficiency may do so for a price.

ZOS gets a somewhat stable income. Min/maxing will never depart from MMOs.

With more cash in their pockets, ZOS may delve into creating more content previously un-planned due to their income.

Making race changes too expensive just locks out other players from utilizing it for other purposes (Such as my Sorc who is having a gender/racial-identity crisis...yea, us RPers can get weird from time to time).

+1

I would like to that FOTM changes to other Racials will make visible how well Racials are balanced and will help ZOS to tiny tweak Racials to be similar desirable for us from overall performance

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · June 2016

I really hope it won't come, we have all tools at our disposal already:
Shrines to revert skill points, to undo skill upgrades, you name it.
We have character slots, so we can go for another race, class, faction.
We have delete, should we like to free up a character slot.
I see no use in all that stuff, really.

Kalifas · June 2016

Rather than do racial dollhouse

Faulgor · June 2016

At that point they should just remove racial skills alltogether. If they aren't tied to your race, they aren't racial, period.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · June 2016

IF they should bring this in: then a player should be entirely reset, loosing all progress, gear, points, since, basically, they create a new character...

DocFrost72 · June 2016

Iluvrien wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

@Iluvrien wrote: »

Much as I hate the idea of race change, I am getting too tired of the continuous threads complaining about it to hold on to my vociferous opposition to it for much longer.

I suggest another option. If you choose to change your race then a phase flag is set on that character, and you get placed in a special phase with the rest of the "numbers first, **** the lore" people.

To be frank, if you will change your race purely because of the passives? I don't want to encounter you. We aren't playing the same game.

I've never been able to understand people like you. Can you please explain why would you be so bothered if some person you dont know would change their chars? You dont play with them so you wont know that this particular redguard was created as an altmer. They wont be able to change your characters either. Even if they would change their chars every day, it wont affect your gameplay in any way possible.
Also, its not your game, you share it with other players, and no, you're not more equal than others. Though you seem to think so, because you've played previous games or discussed lore on reddit or whatever you deem "elite"... Why exactly? Can't you just have fun and let the others have fun too, as long as they dont intervene in your roleplay/questing/fishing/whatever?

P.S. There are people who love both lore and mechanics. You might not believe, but this is true.

Because the existence of a race change mechanic has the possibility to change the dynamics of the in-game community. For example, LFG chats may start to change from "LF1M DPS" to "LF1M Dunmer DPS, No Redguard". FOTM build requirements may become even more prevalent than they already are, even with established guilds or groups... but there is another reason that I really am concerned about this.

With race change in game, the financial incentive for ZOS is to not fix or balance racials. In fact, the financial incentive for them is to break or unbalance racials with every major update just so that people will pay money (especially if Crowns are involved) to shift the the most optimal race for that release.

I want a community that hasn't got even greater levels of exclusion.

I want ZOS to fix and finalise racial abilities and passives.

I do not think that either of these issues will be assisted by there being a race change option in the game. Thus, I stand against it.

I'd actually disagree. Racial passives have never been used for exclusivity, and they would be even LESS useful in that regard if an Argonian could have any passives. Besides, with no way to check, there's no point in even asking for racials.

And to reiterate, I want to RP a Breton but be effective in the combat style I like. If that doesn't appeal to you, or for some reason you find you seek something other than that, I wish you well. I am not one to exclude others, I'll be running WGT tonight with three people who have never done it...

DocFrost72 · June 2016

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

IF they should bring this in: then a player should be entirely reset, loosing all progress, gear, points, since, basically, they create a new character...

Then what would we even be paying for...? I could delete and remake my toon for free.

I'd honestly rather have you bring up some point you disagree with, so we can discuss. This is what the forums are for

LadyNalcarya · June 2016

Iluvrien wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

@Iluvrien wrote: »

Much as I hate the idea of race change, I am getting too tired of the continuous threads complaining about it to hold on to my vociferous opposition to it for much longer.

I suggest another option. If you choose to change your race then a phase flag is set on that character, and you get placed in a special phase with the rest of the "numbers first, **** the lore" people.

To be frank, if you will change your race purely because of the passives? I don't want to encounter you. We aren't playing the same game.

I've never been able to understand people like you. Can you please explain why would you be so bothered if some person you dont know would change their chars? You dont play with them so you wont know that this particular redguard was created as an altmer. They wont be able to change your characters either. Even if they would change their chars every day, it wont affect your gameplay in any way possible.
Also, its not your game, you share it with other players, and no, you're not more equal than others. Though you seem to think so, because you've played previous games or discussed lore on reddit or whatever you deem "elite"... Why exactly? Can't you just have fun and let the others have fun too, as long as they dont intervene in your roleplay/questing/fishing/whatever?

P.S. There are people who love both lore and mechanics. You might not believe, but this is true.

Because the existence of a race change mechanic has the possibility to change the dynamics of the in-game community. For example, LFG chats may start to change from "LF1M DPS" to "LF1M Dunmer DPS, No Redguard". FOTM build requirements may become even more prevalent than they already are, even with established guilds or groups... but there is another reason that I really am concerned about this.

With race change in game, the financial incentive for ZOS is to not fix or balance racials. In fact, the financial incentive for them is to break or unbalance racials with every major update just so that people will pay money (especially if Crowns are involved) to shift the the most optimal race for that release.

I want a community that hasn't got even greater levels of exclusion.

I want ZOS to fix and finalise racial abilities and passives.

I do not think that either of these issues will be assisted by there being a race change option in the game. Thus, I stand against it.

Ok, so its not that "lore" related as you said previously.
In your first message you've stated it very explicitly that you cant stand those people anyway.So why do you care if they wont group with you? There will be enough casual groups in any case, since casuals, and not hardcore players, are the majority of the community.

P.S. The only valid point itt is that race change will discourage ZOS from fixing racials, but after all that time there's not much hope for this anyway.

LadyNalcarya · June 2016

@dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

IF they should bring this in: then a player should be entirely reset, loosing all progress, gear, points, since, basically, they create a new character...

Again - this wouldnt affect you in any way. Why do you want to restrict others in a way that cant affect your gameplay?

magnusthorek · June 2016

IMHO, the only way they could explain such change lore-faithfully would be by removing entirely the Racial Passives as they currently are and instead create Talents (I even gave you nice name, gimme some Crowns ^_^)

Without this bond between Racial and their passives every player of every race can choose a set of Talents to play with accordingly to their time to play, their strategy, their builds, their goal...

Also, being two entirely separated things, players will be able to keep their looks or the look of their race.

In terms of code, as long as the rewrite they did to solve the unintended accumulative with Mundus Stones, the base is practically the same, so one won't be able to embrace more Talents than allowed.

Want some more? being two different things, ZOS can create gear sets or even NPC trainers that would allow players to use/learn more Talents than initially intended, although in the case of a trainer the design should be very carefully studied to not overpower too much making end game content too easy.

In short, we'll start to REALLY be able to play they way we want, instead of having to be of an specific Race, which without additional official addons, restricts the Alliance, because of min-maxing

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · June 2016

DocFrost72 wrote: »

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

IF they should bring this in: then a player should be entirely reset, loosing all progress, gear, points, since, basically, they create a new character...

Then what would we even be paying for...? I could delete and remake my toon for free.

I'd honestly rather have you bring up some point you disagree with, so we can discuss. This is what the forums are for

Now THAT is a DARNED intelligent solution, see... :P

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

@dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

IF they should bring this in: then a player should be entirely reset, loosing all progress, gear, points, since, basically, they create a new character...

Again - this wouldnt affect you in any way. Why do you want to restrict others in a way that cant affect your gameplay?

But it does...
One day you are a Dom Fighter, you observe tactics, you observe strengths, weaknesses, and then you swap your whole being to serve another nation with that knowledge.
Not me per se, true.

But this is aside the point: you ARE!!!! making a new character, basically, thus you should start as one.
No god will allow you to switch whatever unless you would be a shape-shifter.

idk · June 2016

Silver_Strider wrote: »

As long as I get to stay an Argonian as my race, I'd be alright for racial passive selection. I would prefer if they'd just balanced the racials or flat out removed them but allowing racial passive changes would be an acceptable alternative.

Removing them makes racial choice as boring and pointless as it is in SWTOR. At that, I know some top players that have an argonian. Defending in what your looking for they aren't bad passives.

LadyNalcarya · June 2016

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

But it does...
One day you are a Dom Fighter, you observe tactics, you observe strengths, weaknesses, and then you swap your whole being to serve another nation with that knowledge.
Not me per se, true.

But this is aside the point: you ARE!!!! making a new character, basically, thus you should start as one.
No god will allow you to switch whatever unless you would be a shape-shifter.

No it doesnt.
You're just describing things from your perspective, and while your point of view is perfectly fine, there are others. No one would be able to change your characters, and you will never know if someone had changed their chars.
In TES, shapeshifting is quite possible, there's even a quest where you help an argonian npc to do so. And lets not forget that orcs werent always orcs, they got "race change" during certain events.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · June 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

and you will never know if someone had changed their chars.

EXACTLY: Take PvP, who would know you'd be no spy?

Thank you, for pointing that out.

I can see a butt load of issues coming from them, imagine trading from player to player, who's who?
One cannot make track anymore.

nine9six · June 2016

DocFrost72 wrote: »

nine9six wrote: »

I think all of this is stupid, but that's just me.

You picked a race. Play it. Want another? Make it.

Mix and match passives to visuals? Huh?

Unless I'm missing something?

You are missing a key component. Of course, it may seem minor to you, but it is NOT to me or others. I wanted to make a Breton because they have an incredible lore background, a diverse history, and several cool quirks I identify well with.

I also like the way a stamina templar plays. Their shining spears of justice and indomitable force of will is not only a lore draw, but I LOVE the way my stamplar wrecks face. He mows down enemies like it is nothing, and the abilities are intuitive for me.

Here comes the dilema. Breton are a poor race choice for this setup.

While it is true I could have one toon for RP and one for PvE, I don't think that is a fair tradeoff. Why shouldn't I proudly display a storm proof title? Why shouldn't I be able to wear all the amazing gear I found, such as alkosh or kena? Why should I be pigeon holed into RP or PvE when neither conflicts with each other in any way but a pointless game mechanic designed without much consideration for lore (anyone remember Argonians being tanky, or was I alone in remembering their guerilla tactics?).

Now feel free to disagree *which I do heavily* or claim that racial aren't that much of a difference, because you are right they are only a small part of any build.

But I will remain upset my desire to RP in an MMORPG could potentially gimp me on ANY amount of power.

Where to start?

I highlighted all the parts where the post came across as "I want this because I don't feel my decision should have any weight to the gameplay aspects of ESO and should be editable according to my feelings." Plus a couple Kanye West-esq moments, "I know you have an opinion but let me tell you why mine is right." lines.

I also highlighted a few parts that illustrated the fact that you're aware that this is a situation where you could remedy your grievances by playing an Alt but are electing not to due to the fact that you feel it's unfair and you should be catered to. Or that you *could* continue playing as you are now and be perfectly fine, but the OCD in you knows there's a potentially better combination for your desired end-result. However, you *only* want to attain that combination while keeping your appearance because...well, that's how society is now.

Combine those two sets of examples and you arrive at the point of "this is how I want the game to be because this is how I feel".

Do not take this as me picking on you or your post on a personal level, I'm only using this to exhibit the flawed logic of "we should be able to make a toon of our preferred appearance, "flaws" and all, and change the "flaws" to something cherry-picked so I can shed my undesirable traits and have the power I feel I am entitled to as a gamer / min-maxer / RPer."

I understand "why you'd want this". There's no consequence to the decision on which Race to play. Instead, you can have the Race you want with the Passives you want.

There has to be something that distinguishes the Races from one another. If this proposed method of changing Races were to go into effect it would undermine a large portion of the game (IMO, anyway. It's obvious not everyone feels this way). Not to mention what population imbalances this could ripple through the PvP community. (Make a Dunmer because everyone loves Morrowind. Don't worry, you can buy the Altmer passives!, etc.)

Now if you were saying... "I made a Breton, but I now find myself wanting to play an Imperial. I don't want to level another toon and wish to pump cash into the game in order to not start over. (or) I don't have any more Toon slots because I'm at max but would like to change everything about a toon while supporting the game." ...and you were willing to forgo the Passives, then fine, by all means, buy a Race Change token (or whatever they end up calling it) on the Crown Store and change your race, passives and all.

I don't believe you should be able to mix-and-match Race-Specific Passives to any Race of your choice. That's just stupid and takes away all of the "impact" of being a specific race. It also makes no sense what-so-ever. Some fat-ass Orc with the swimming passives of an Argonian. lol

For the record, all of my Toons (save for 2, for RP) are Dunmer. There are better combinations out there for either Stam or Magicka, but I don't care because I *wanted* to play as a Dunmer. So that's 10 Dunmer, 1 Altmer and 1 Imperial. I'm happy with my choices.

LadyNalcarya · June 2016

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

and you will never know if someone had changed their chars.

EXACTLY: Take PvP, who would know you'd be no spy?

Thank you, for pointing that out.

I can see a butt load of issues coming from them, imagine trading from player to player, who's who?
One cannot make track anymore.

Umm how its related to pvp?
And please describe those issues. Because I'm sorry, but without facts it sounds like: I dont want it for my characters so no one should get it.
Edit: for "who's who" purposes there are @ names.

psychotic13 · June 2016

Am I the only one who doesn't want race change? I think it's illogical, you chose a race you have to commit to it, don't like it roll another character?

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · June 2016

Oh, I just pointed out the most obvious.
Did you miss this on purpose, or?

Race change and the lot would make people spy through this possibility for their land.
They change their race, become another being, and simply walk into the other side and tell everything they see to their compadres on the original side.
Afterwards, they can simply swap back.

And this is just one way things can go, there are tons of possibilities to screw the other side by sabotage in numerous forms.

Remember the trader example?

I could go on for an entire page, but I guess, you're not as dumb as you pretend to be.
I'm actually damned sure you aren't.

psychotic13 wrote: »

Am I the only one who doesn't want race change? I think it's illogical, you chose a race you have to commit to it, don't like it roll another character?

Nope yer not, lad.

LadyNalcarya · June 2016

psychotic13 wrote: »

Am I the only one who doesn't want race change? I think it's illogical, you chose a race you have to commit to it, don't like it roll another character?

Its all about choices.
Some people have limited playtime, not enough to level an alt, some just want appearance change, some got screwed by ZOS' nerfing everything... There can be a ton of personal reasons.
But reasons for not having this option? I've seen 2: "I dont want it so no one is allowed to ask for it" and "pug elitists". The latter can cause some issues at times probably, but in fact the majority of players are casuals who dont care about optimized builds that much.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · June 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Am I the only one who doesn't want race change? I think it's illogical, you chose a race you have to commit to it, don't like it roll another character?

Its all about choices.
Some people have limited playtime, not enough to level an alt, some just want appearance change, some got screwed by ZOS' nerfing everything... There can be a ton of personal reasons.
But reasons for not having this option? I've seen 2: "I dont want it so no one is allowed to ask for it" and "pug elitists". The latter can cause some issues at times probably, but in fact the majority of players are casuals who dont care about optimized builds that much.

You missed one: the fact, all is already implemented, in the form of shrines, character slots, and delete.
I can somewhat understand hair style change, but there it ends.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · June 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Am I the only one who doesn't want race change? I think it's illogical, you chose a race you have to commit to it, don't like it roll another character?

Its all about choices.
Some people have limited playtime, not enough to level an alt, some just want appearance change, some got screwed by ZOS' nerfing everything... There can be a ton of personal reasons.
But reasons for not having this option? I've seen 2: "I dont want it so no one is allowed to ask for it" and "pug elitists". The latter can cause some issues at times probably, but in fact the majority of players are casuals who dont care about optimized builds that much.

You missed one: the fact, all is already implemented, in the form of shrines, character slots, and delete.
I can somewhat understand hair style change, but there it ends.

WardenofArcherus · June 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

and you will never know if someone had changed their chars.

EXACTLY: Take PvP, who would know you'd be no spy?

Thank you, for pointing that out.

I can see a butt load of issues coming from them, imagine trading from player to player, who's who?
One cannot make track anymore.

Umm how its related to pvp?
And please describe those issues. Because I'm sorry, but without facts it sounds like: I dont want it for my characters so no one should get it.
Edit: for "who's who" purposes there are @ names.

It seems like some players are thinking a race change will also provide players the ability to change their alliance.

Clerics1985 · June 2016

Coming Soon Race Polymorphs. It's the only apparent way to fix this dilemma O_O

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · June 2016

WardenofArcherus wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

and you will never know if someone had changed their chars.

EXACTLY: Take PvP, who would know you'd be no spy?

Thank you, for pointing that out.

I can see a butt load of issues coming from them, imagine trading from player to player, who's who?
One cannot make track anymore.

Umm how its related to pvp?
And please describe those issues. Because I'm sorry, but without facts it sounds like: I dont want it for my characters so no one should get it.
Edit: for "who's who" purposes there are @ names.

It seems like some players are thinking a race change will also provide players the ability to change their alliance.

But it WILL, see, if an Argonain likes to become an Orc... but he has not the Starter thingy...
Yep...

LadyNalcarya · June 2016

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Am I the only one who doesn't want race change? I think it's illogical, you chose a race you have to commit to it, don't like it roll another character?

Its all about choices.
Some people have limited playtime, not enough to level an alt, some just want appearance change, some got screwed by ZOS' nerfing everything... There can be a ton of personal reasons.
But reasons for not having this option? I've seen 2: "I dont want it so no one is allowed to ask for it" and "pug elitists". The latter can cause some issues at times probably, but in fact the majority of players are casuals who dont care about optimized builds that much.

You missed one: the fact, all is already implemented, in the form of shrines, character slots, and delete.
I can somewhat understand hair style change, but there it ends.

I didnt miss it.
But do you have any arguments except "I dont want it so no one is allowed to want it"? Maybe someone doesnt like the way you play, but do they have the rights to force you to play their way?
Your own game experience wouldnt be hurt in any way if this would be implemented.
And yes, your own game is your own game, but other people can view their own game and characters differently. TES has always been about as much freedom for players as possible, this is one of the key features of the series.